HVTCH. Most of them are now departed by death which then were 〈◊〉 receaued GREEN Therfore I included their seede to stand in the same estate no seperated from the world so could not be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a people called out HVTCH. I know not what you meane by seperation GREEN You know what 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 BADAL signifieth as light is seperated from darknes so must the Church from the profane HVTCH. What meane you by profane GREEN Atheists men without the knowledg or feare of God togeather with the papists hereticks all other infidells Answere I pray you directly to myne Argument So he began with long circumstances to write I perfectly remember not what words but to this effect HVTCH. Mr. Greenwood affirmeth that because the people were conuerted from poperie by her Maiesties trumpet at her coronatiō therfore they consist of all sorts of profane with certaine such like words GREEN You falsefie my former Arg. make no sufficient or direct answere to it Answere directly HVTCH. The Church of England receaueth none to their sacraments but such as make publike declaration of their faith therfore consisteth not of or alloweth any profane people c. Heere we had much to doe about declaration of faith He said they in euerie assemblie had a general confession of sin other confessions of faith so were not to be called profane To which I answered the papists also had their confessions as the Creed Pater noster which they repeated daily in their meetings yet could they not for that verball confession be accompted the true Church Mr. Hutchinsō said the popish Church was the Church though with manie corruptions when I demanded whither the true Church or no he said they were the Church of God To which I answered if yt were not the true Church yt was the Church of the deuill At which they were displeased I should iudg so vncharitablie Well still I denied theyr saying ouer their seruice to be a true sufficient confession to make them Christians affirming they might teach such a verball confession to a parrat HVTCH. Wil you iudg mens harts euen their godfathers doe make a confession for their infants GREEN That is euen such confession as the rest a babling ouer certayne words without knowledg Neither can there anie cōfession be made for infants but in mockerie I iudg not their hearts but I know they are not able to giue accompt of anie faith except the verball repeating certayne words taught them by rote But I will answere your former obiection Your parish assemblies neuer published their conuersion of life vvith knovvledg fruites of repentance seeing they had no doctrine to call them before they vvere all vvithout exception receaued yet are all they their seed of your Church therfore you receaue and allovve the profane c. This Argment is not fullie set downe because Mr. Hutchinson tooke vp the paper neither was yt awnswered Whiles I was writing this last position Mr. Huth was dilating from the 3 of Mathew how Ihon Baptist receaued them that came to his baptisme with small confession no knowledg of their former life yea that the Phariseis Saduceis were baptised c. also the Eunuch verie speedily c. GREEN You falsifie the text deceaue the people where can you proue that the Phariseis Saduceis were baptised of Ihon HVTCH. Heerupon Mr. Hutchinson turned to the 3 of Math began at the 5 verse to read Then vvent out to him Ierusalem al Iudea they vvere baptised of him confessing their sinnes GREEN Were all Iudea they of Ierusalem baptised HVTCH. No none but they that cōfessed their sines were baptiz GREEN This maketh against your self that none were receaued to Ihons baptisme but such as confessed their sins for with you all the world is receaued as membres of your Church theyr seed baptised Heere he would haue made the people beleeue I would haue none receaued to the Doctrine of the Church but they which vvere alreadie called I told him he must put difference betwixt the hearing of doctrine receauinge to be a member of the Church to the sacraments He demanded vvhome I accompted a member of the Church I said such as both by vvord practise ioined themselues in the seruice of God into the fellowship of the true Church c. Then he demanded vvherin the seruice of God consisted I said in the vvhole obedience of his vvil he yet demanded vvherin chieflie c. I answered I would not be catechized but desired him to bring some more euidēt profe that the Phariseis Saduces vvere baptised He said the vvhole chapter proued yt I desired him to draw some one argument from some one verse so he began againe read the 7 verse HVTCH. Novv vvhen he savv manie of the Phariseis Saduces come to his baptisme he said vnto them Generations of vipers vvho hath forvvarned you c. Againe in the 11. verse Iohn said In deed I baptize you vnto amendement of life c. First saith he they vvere forwarned to flee from the vvrath to come 2 they came to his baptisme 3 the text saith Ego baptizo vos c. all these proue they were baptised In that he calleth them generatiōs of vipers yt is euident they obeied not his forewarning neither vvere baptised 2. their comming to his baptisme proueth not that they vvere baptized 3 that same Ego baptizo vos is not referred to them so that euerie vvay you haue falsly made cohaerence in the text whervppon he vvilled me to read yt GREEN I then tooke the booke breeifly collected from the vvhole discourse thus Ierusalem all Iudea came to Ihons ministerie all that confessed their sinnes vvere baptised But when he-saw the Phariseis Saduces come vnto his baptisme he called them Generations of vipers and therfore baptised them not For this disiunctiue sentence but vvhen he savv the Pharises c. sheweth an exception that he baptised not all that came to him in the vvildernes neither vvould he haue called them generations of vipers if he had baptized them Abowt these matters we had much adoe vvhich because his next cōming vvas onlie to cauill about the same I will refer yt to our second cōference It must be remembred that Mr. Hutchinson made promise to me to prooue the Church of Rome the true Church vvhen he came againe Further remember that these matters about the Phariseis Saduces baptisme vvere not written these positions awnsweres which were written Mr. Hutch would needs carrie them avvay vvould neither haue the vvitnesses to keep them or me euer to see them or consider of them And through I though much a doe had gottē him to giue them into the vvitnesses hands yet so soone as I vvas gon lockt vp Mr. vvardens man vvas sent to the gentleman for them vvhoe denijng to deliuer them without our consents Mr. Hutch
heathen they could not excommunicate because they were neuer in communion with them The Publicanes they did not excommunicate because they still admitted them vnto the Temple ANDR. I will shew you in Scripture that the Gentiles were not suffred to enter into the Temple Therfore they were excommunicate And the other was a ciuile discommuning BAR. It should seeme you know not what excommunication is They were neuer admitted to enter into the Temple Therfore they were not excommunicat For none can be excommunicat but he that hath bene in cōmunion But the heathen was neuer in Communiō As for this ciuile discommuning of such as are still held members of the Church it is a most vngodly deuise For to cast out or abhor in owr commō meats such as the Lord receiueth vnto his Table were verie vnchristian ANDR. You vnderstand not the place Did not owr Sauiour Christ there speake of excommunication willing them to haue such as refused to heare the Church in detestation as the Iewes held theire heathens publicanes whom they excommunicat BAR. Oure Sauiour there speaketh not of excommunication of the Iewes but of the excommunicat Christians willing all his Disciples to shunne eschue such as heare not the Church as the Iewes did the heathens the Publicanes to haue neither spirituall nor ciuile communion with thēm But what is all this to the purpose what answere do you make to my former reason HVTCH. Which reason You haue as yet made none but proued the same whith the same BAR. This reason All the people of the Land were receiued into the Church at one instant had this ministrie these Sacraments c. without being called vnto faith repentance by the preaching of the gospell Therfore they were receiued into your Church without true faith and repentance because it is impossible to haue true faith true repētance without the preaching of the gospell going before ANDR. Was not the Eunuche as sodainly receiued into the Church had the Sacraments administred vnto him with as little knowledg as they BAR. No he was called by the preaching of Phillip and had more knowledg then anie of these people or well nigh anie of theire teachers thē had being all generally plunged in apostacy Idolatry immediatly before ANDR. Could he bewray greater ignorance then to doubt of so Mr. Andros read the place out of Esai plaine a place as none in the Scriptures coud be more manifest He vvas vvounded for our transgressions he vvas broken for our iniquities The chastisment of our peace vppō him vvith his stripes vve are healed of whom else could this be vnderstood but of Christ BAR. I not loking vppō the place as Luke recordeth it Act. 8. Espied not then how craftely Mr. Androes falsefied misaledged the text Yet I added this He vvas led as a Shepe vnto the slaughter like a lambe domb before his sherer So opened he not his mouth My answere therfore herevppon was that it was no ignorant question But that the greatest Rabbine of those times might well haue asked the question seing it is so commō a thing in the Prophetts to haue figured manie things that came vnto Christ in theire owne persons as appeareth euery where in the booke of psalmes and also in this prophecy and almost in all other Is it not said in this prophet Behold I the children that thou hast giuen me are as signes vvonders in Israell might not this questiō then be well asked whither the Prophet spake it in his owne person or of an other ANDR. It was a most ignorant question Could anie beare or be broken for owr transgressions but Christ only BAR. But the Prophet might be led as a sheope vnto the slaughter c. And therfore the question was according vnto knowledge and such as without knowledg could not be moued Or vnlesse it were knowne that text not be vnderstood This Eunuche was a godly zealous Proselite before Phillip met with him ANDR. What will you say godly before he had the knowledge of Christ BAR. Yea I say godly and that before he knew that Christ was exhibited come in the flesh ANDR. Then belike in that estate the Eunuche might haue bene saued if so be he had dyed before he had heard that Christ was come in the flesh ascended BAR. Yea I doubt not therof ANDR. HVTCH. That is heresie will you set that downe vnder your hande BAR. Yea that I will and abide by it also to be truth and proue both you hereticks if you obstinatly affirme and teach the contrarye ANDR. Whie then there were two faithes two wayes of saluatiō one for Iewes an other for Christians BAR. It followeth not There was but one faith one saluation commō to all beleiuers from the begynning Christ to day yesterday for euer the same The Iewes beleiued in Christ to come The Gentiles then in Christ come Both in Christ Both saued by faith in Christ. The Iewes that had not as yet seene the person nor heard of the ministerie of Christ dying in that estate were vndoubtedly saued The Lord bare much a long tyme with the Iewes and gaue a tyme of remouing these things HVTCH. The Eunuche made a true profession when he confessed IESVS to be the Sonne of GOD was then baptised Therfore owr people making as good confession whie should they not also as sodainly be receiued to the Sacraments ministerie BAR. It hath oft bene sayd that your people do not neither could make so good a confession as the Eunuche because they had not the preaching of the gospell going before theire confession neither shewed they such fruits of faith as the Eunuche did who was a true worshipper of GOD before ANDR. The Gaoler in the Acts was as sodainly called baptised and shewed no more fruites of faith then these did BAR. That is not so he washed the Apostles stripes administred comfort vnto them foode vnto them after that he his howse-hold had heard beleiued the word preached But I neuer heard of anie Church erected in this maner without the word preached going before as yours is ANDR. They had the word preached in king Edwards time BAR. What boted that when they all fell to Idolatrie in Q. Maries time and all without being called to repentance by the gospell were receiued into your Church c. HVTCH. The confession they made was sufficient BAR. That is denied and proued insufficient because it was not wrought by the preaching of the gospell going before Answere that reason Herevppon Mr. Hutchinson toke the pen ynke wrote to this effect HVTCH. The confessiō of sinne that is publiquely made in the Church of England is sufficient to enable all such as say it sincerely to the ministerie Sacraments of the Church BAR. The verball confessiō that is prescribed vsed in the Church of England is not sufficiēt to enable the people that say it or say Amen vnto it
all his Children and hath gyuen to vs his holy Spirit to help owr infirmities to teach vs to pray according to his will in his worde we are also there taught That we neede no man to teach vs but as the same anoyntinge teacheth vs of all things moreouer we finde not anie such deuised prayers or stinted seruice perscribed to the Church by those excellēt perfect workemen Thappostles neyther yet anie Commaundment or authoritie gyuē by thē vnto the church to make bring in ympose or receiue anie such stinted deuised Apochripha seruice where only the worde of God the graces of Gods spirit ought to be heard For these causes we esteeme refuse all such deuised Liturgies as superfluous will not worshipp inuentiōs traditions of men besids contrary to Gods reuealed worde to the graces of Gods Spirite to owr Christian libertie Wherfore we wonder at the ignorance of theise blynde Pharesies which knowing neither the right ende vse nor meanes of prayer thēselues yet dare in this maner teach correct quench the Spirit of God in others by ymposing the chaffe leauen of their own lypps vppon the whole Church yea as a sacryfice vppon God himself will he nyl he Article 3. They teache their is no head or Supreame gouernor of the Church of Christ And that the Queene hath none authoritie in the Church to make lawes Ecclesiasticall WE hold Christ to be the only heade of his Church the greatest Princes in the world to be but members of his Church We hold her Maiestie to be supreame gouernor of al persons estats causes whatsoeuer with in her Dominiōs We renounce the Pope all popishe iurisdictions ouer eyther Conscience Queene or Contrye and we acknowledg no other Prince potentate or power forreigne or Domestical Ecclesiasticall or Ciuill to haue anie superiour or equall authoritie within her Maiesties Dominions We hold Christ to be the only Lawgyuer in his Church and that he hath already beinge the Sonne as faithfull in his howse as his seruant MOSES in his Tabernacle established sufficient Lawes for the gouerment of his Church vnto the worlds end in his last will Testament which no Prince nor all the Princes in the world nor the whole Church may alter add vnto or take from vppon the paynes contayned in the Scriptures But both Prince people ought with all their endeuour as farr as the Lorde hath gyuen them knowledge meanes to put the same in execution Article 4. They teache that a lay man may beget faith And that vve haue no neede of publique administration WE know not what you meane by your old popish termes of lay men we holde al true beleyuers Ecclesiasticall spirituall yea and that anie such beleyuer may beget faith and for euident proofe thereof referr you to these places of scripture Luke 10.1 c. Luke 8.39 Acts. 8.4 Acts 11.19 c. Acts. 18.26 1 Corin. 14. entier 1 Corinth 7.16 Phil. 2.15.16 1 Pet. 3.2 1 Pet. 4.10 2 Tim. 2.2 1 Thessa. 5.11 c. Iam. 5.19.20 which shall eyther instruct of cōuince your herein Yet hold we the publique administracōn of the word by PASTORS TEACHERS and the PROPHETS in the church by far without all comparyson more excellent more blessed more to be desired and iudg your synne and iniquitie by so much the more heynouse and euen come to the full in that you so bitterly with all your gall and spyte resist the holy ghost by hindring vs his seruants from proceeding to so heauenly gracious a meanes of owr saluation and earnestly with all your forces oppose your selues against God in that you will neither enter your selues into his kingdome nor suffer such as would Article 5. They condemne all comming to Churche all preaching all Institution of Sacraments and say that all the Ministers are sent by God in his anger to deceaue the people THe Lord condemneth and we according to his Commaundement shunne all false Churches false deceitfull preaching and false Institutions of Sacraments and we belieue as the Lord hath said that all false Ministers are sent of God in his wrath to deceaue the people of which sorte we protest your publique parrish assemblies as they stand in this Confusion disorder and Idolatrie your publique preaching Sacraments and ministrie to be and are ready by the manifest euidence of Gods vndoubted word to approue the same to your faces it anie Christian audience or indifferent tryall might be granted Article 6. They affirme that the people must reforme the Church and not tarye for the Magistrate And that the Primatiue Churche sued not to Courts or Parliaments nor vvayted vppon Princes pleasures But vve make Christ to attend vppon Princes to be Subiect to their lavves and gouernment WE goe not about to reforme your Romish Bisshopricks Deanes officers Aduocates Courts Cannons neither your popish Priests halfe-Priests Ministers all which come out of the bottomlesse pytt But we leaue those merchantmen their wares with the curse of God vppon them vntill they repent We are also taught in the word that the kingdome of God commeth not by obseruation neither is brought in by the arme of flesh but by the spirit of God and by the power of his worde working in the harts of all Christs faithfull seruants true repentance from deade workes and all things that displease the Lord euen as sone as they are reproued vnto them by his worde as also a true conuersion of theire harts and soules vnto the Lord with an earnest loue continuall zeale and ready desire to put in practise what soeuer the Lord sheweth them to be his will in his worde without all delaye or excuse whosoeuer forbyd or Commaunde the contrary We are to obey God rather then men and if anie man be ignorant let him be ignorant stil We are not to stay from doing the Lords Commaundement vppon the pleasure or offence of anie Article 7. That the Booke of common prayer is a pregnant I dole and full of abhominations a peice of Svvynes flesh and abhomination to the Lorde WE haue shewed in owr answeare to your second Article what we thinke of all Apocrypha deuised Liturgies when they are brought into emposed vppon the Church But seinge you are so zealous for the syluer shryne of your DIANA and wayle for your Portuise we affirme it to be as you report a PREGNANT IDOLE which hath in it an infinite sorte of Idols is full of abhominations bytter fruite As may appeare by the double Idols of your solempne double feasts of your hollomass Christmass Candlemass Easter Whitsontyde Trynitie sonday c. Your Lady dayes Saints dayes with the Eaues feasts fasts and deuised worshipp vnto them which fill a great part of your booke Also your lents Rogacōns ash-wensdayes with the bitter cursings