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A34974 Roman-Catholick doctrines no novelties, or, An answer to Dr. Pierce's court-sermon, miscall'd The primitive rule of Reformation by S.C. a Roman-Catholick. Cressy, Serenus, 1605-1674. 1663 (1663) Wing C6902; ESTC R1088 159,933 352

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the_o dead_a so_o as_o to_o beg_v forgiveness_n of_o sin_n a_o better_n of_o their_o state_n a_o assuagement_n of_o their_o suffering_n etc._n etc._n which_o practice_n they_o esteem_v not_o a_o voluntary_a offering_n but_o a_o duty_n to_o a_o necessary_a performance_n of_o which_o charity_n oblige_v all_o christian_n and_o therefore_o english_a protestant_n can_v be_v excuse_v for_o their_o neglect_n of_o this_o duty_n especial_o consisider_v that_o the_o doctrine_n upon_o which_o this_o practice_n be_v ground_v be_v not_o mention_v at_o all_o among_o those_o point_n which_o they_o account_v novelty_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n on_o the_o contrary_a the_o more_o learned_a among_o they_o have_v and_o do_v though_o not_o in_o expression_n yet_o in_o sense_n agree_v with_o bishop_n andrews_n concede_v in_o his_o reply_n to_o cardinal_n perron_n 9_o that_o for_o offering_n do_v he_o not_o mean_v here_o for_o offer_v the_o christian_a sacrifice_n of_o the_o holy_a eucharist_n for_o they_o 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merciful_o than_o their_o sin_n deserve_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v for_o this_o the_o universal_a church_n observe_v as_o a_o tradition_n of_o our_o father_n that_o for_o those_o who_o be_v dead_a in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n prayer_n shall_v be_v make_v when_o at_o the_o holy_a sacrifice_n their_o name_n be_v in_o their_o due_a place_n rehearse_v and_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v signify_v that_o the_o offer_n be_v make_v for_o they_o and_o when_o out_o of_o a_o intention_n of_o commend_v they_o to_o god_n mercy_n work_v of_o charity_n and_o alm_n be_v make_v who_o will_v doubt_v that_o these_o thing_n help_v towards_o their_o good_a for_o who_o prayer_n be_v not_o in_o vain_a offer_v to_o god_n it_o be_v not_o therefore_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o these_o thing_n be_v profitable_a for_o the_o dead_a yet_o only_a such_o as_o before_o their_o death_n have_v live_v so_o as_o that_o these_o thing_n may_v profit_v they_o after_o death_n and_o again_o 110._o for_o martyr_n the_o sacrifice_n be_v offer_v as_o a_o thanksgiving_n and_o for_o other_o as_o a_o propitiation_n 14._o the_o doctor_n can_v but_o know_v in_o his_o conscience_n for_o he_o be_v no_o stranger_n to_o the_o father_n what_o a_o great_a volume_n may_v be_v write_v to_o confirm_v this_o and_o that_o not_o one_o expression_n can_v be_v quote_v against_o it_o therefore_o whereas_o he_o say_v without_o any_o ground_n that_o tertullian_n borrow_v from_o montanus_n i_o will_v ask_v he_o from_o who_o do_v he_o borrow_v the_o omission_n of_o this_o charitable_a duty_n to_o the_o dead_a but_o from_o the_o heretie_n aerius_n nor_o be_v this_o to_o be_v consider_v as_o a_o voluntary_a courtesy_n do_v they_o which_o without_o any_o fault_n may_v be_v omit_v on_o the_o contrary_a st._n epiphanius_n will_v tell_v he_o 75._o the_o church_n do_v these_o thing_n necessary_o have_v receive_v such_o a_o tradition_n from_o the_o father_n and_o st._n augustin_n 5._o we_o must_v 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our_o lord_n body_n in_o the_o sacrament_n justify_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n the_o preacher_n objection_n answer_v 1._o the_o three_o next_o suppose_v novelty_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n all_o regard_n the_o most_o holy_a sacrament_n that_o bless_a mystery_n which_o be_v institute_v to_o be_v both_o a_o symbal_n and_o instrument_n to_o signify_v and_o to_o operate_v unity_n be_v by_o the_o cunning_a of_o the_o devil_n and_o malicious_a folly_n of_o man_n become_v both_o the_o work_n and_o cause_n of_o dis-union_n 2._o touch_v this_o subject_a the_o first_o of_o the_o three_o novelty_n the_o doctor_n say_v be_v transubstantiation_n 9_o so_o far_o from_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o it_o be_v not_o much_o above_o four_o hundred_o year_n old_a 24._o that_o it_o be_v first_o beard_n of_o in_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n for_o in_o pope_n nicholas_n the_o second_v time_n the_o submission_n of_o berengarius_fw-la import_v rather_o a_o con_n 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