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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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only_o impute_v to_o we_o but_o his_o corruption_n of_o sin_n derive_v into_o we_o but_o because_o the_o colossian_n may_v object_v again_o that_o though_o abraham_n have_v inward_a circumcision_n before_o rom._n 4._o yet_o he_o have_v outward_a circumcision_n too_o and_o so_o other_o and_o therefore_o they_o be_v not_o so_o complete_a in_o christ_n as_o believer_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n the_o apostle_n preoccupate_v and_o prevent_v this_o objection_n too_o in_o v._o 12_o say_v that_o instead_o of_o outward_a circumcision_n they_o have_v be_v baptize_v and_o baptize_v effectual_o into_o christ_n bury_v with_o he_o in_o baptism_n wherein_o also_o you_o be_v rise_v through_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o operation_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n as_o if_o the_o apostle_n shall_v say_v
namely_o unction_n and_o to_o prove_v that_o neither_o unction_n or_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v sacrament_n which_o though_o he_o prove_v by_o this_o argument_n that_o they_o be_v only_a appendix_n of_o sacrament_n yet_o he_o do_v not_o assert_v as_o from_o himself_o or_o from_o antiquity_n that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v to_o be_v conjoin_v with_o baptism_n but_o rather_o tell_v we_o the_o contrary_a partly_o from_o himself_o partly_o from_o those_o author_n he_o quote_v as_o that_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v that_o they_o give_v in_o command_n that_o man_n shall_v be_v reconcile_v by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n sect._n 53._o that_o reciliation_n be_v proper_a to_o repentance_n sect._n 54._o that_o though_o confirmation_n belong_v to_o the_o solemnity_n of_o baptism_n yet_o after_o a_o while_n after_o baptism_n to_o mr_n t._n his_o quotation_n of_o hieronimus_n tom._n 2._o in_o his_o diolog_n adu._n lucif_n 1._o we_o reply_v that_o if_o hieronimus_fw-la do_v confess_v imposition_n of_o hand_n on_o they_o that_o have_v be_v baptize_v though_o he_o do_v not_o allege_v all_o scripture_n for_o it_o and_o so_o not_o that_o heb._n 6.2_o the_o antiquity_n hold_v good_a that_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v use_v to_o be_v after_o apply_v to_o they_o that_o have_v be_v baptize_v 2._o that_o hieronimus_fw-la in_o that_o place_n quote_v other_o place_n then_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o speak_v to_o our_o purpose_n thus_o orth._n neither_o can_v it_o be_v that_o he_o that_o be_v holy_a in_o baptism_n can_v be_v a_o sinner_n etc._n etc._n luc._n i_o receive_v a_o lay_v penitent_a person_n by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n and_o invocation_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n know_v that_o the_o holy_a spirit_n be_v not_o confer_v by_o heretic_n orth._n see_v that_o he_o that_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a spirit_n be_v make_v the_o temple_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n it_o appear_v that_o baptism_n be_v not_o 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the_o argument_n from_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n mat._n 28.19_o against_o infant-baptisme_n confirm_v that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a but_o the_o rite_n of_o infant-baptisme_n agree_v not_o with_o the_o lord_n institution_n of_o baptism_n ergo._n the_o major_n be_v prove_v because_o institution_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o exhibit_v worship_n to_o god_n the_o minor_a be_v prove_v from_o the_o word_n of_o institution_n mat._n 28.19_o go_v therefore_o disciple_n you_o all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o whence_o i_o gather_v thus_o that_o rite_n agree_v not_o with_o the_o lord_n institution_n of_o baptism_n according_a to_o which_o they_o be_v baptize_v who_o the_o lord_n appoint_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v but_o after_o the_o rite_n of_o infant-baptisme_n they_o be_v baptize_v who_o the_o lord_n appoint_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v ergo._n the_o major_n be_v manifest_a of_o itself_o the_o minor_a be_v prove_v the_o lord_n appoint_v not_o infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v ergo._n the_o 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disciple_n and_o in_o the_o ordinary_a course_n of_o ministry_n we_o must_v follow_v the_o ordinary_a rule_n perhaps_o some_o one_o will_v except_v that_o christ_n teach_v that_o such_o disciple_n shall_v be_v baptize_v but_o that_o the_o speech_n be_v not_o exclusive_a refut_o but_o it_o be_v meet_v he_o remember_v who_o shall_v thus_o except_v if_o institution_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o worship_n it_o be_v necessary_a that_o he_o that_o shall_v administer_v the_o worship_n bind_v himself_o to_o the_o rule_n otherwise_o he_o will_v devise_v will-worship_n and_o arrogate_v the_o lord_n authority_n to_o himself_o sure_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o business_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n insinuate_v this_o when_o be_v about_o to_o correct_v the_o aberration_n of_o the_o corinthian_n concern_v the_o lord_n supper_n he_o bring_v forth_o these_o word_n 1_o cor._n 11.23_o for_o i_o have_v receive_v of_o the_o lord_n that_o which_o i_o also_o have_v deliver_v unto_o you_o beside_o as_o christ_n 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necessity_n of_o infant-baptisme_n examen_fw-la examen_fw-la in_o that_o he_o hold_v such_o a_o certainty_n of_o obtain_v regeneration_n thereby_o we_o reply_v 1_o this_o be_v no_o good_a argument_n animadver_n animadver_n augustine_n hold_v infant_n baptism_n too_o rigid_o therefore_o he_o hold_v it_o not_o at_o all_o this_o must_v be_v the_o argument_n or_o else_o it_o be_v to_o little_a purpose_n for_o mr._n m._n quotation_n to_o which_o mr_n t._n give_v the_o present_a objection_n as_o part_v of_o his_o answer_n be_v that_o also_o in_o augustine_n time_n as_o former_o infants-baptisme_n be_v the_o tenent_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n 2._o mr._n t._n may_v have_v excuse_v augustine_n and_o answer_v himself_o touch_v this_o out_o of_o grotius_n who_o he_o have_v so_o often_o quote_v for_o his_o own_o turn_n which_o grotius_n tell_v he_o 21._o he_o the_o word_n of_o grotius_n on_o matt._n 19.14_o be_v caeterum_fw-la illa_fw-la sententia_fw-la infant_n non_fw-la baptizatos_fw-la certo_fw-la suppl●ciis_fw-la aeternis_fw-la quanquam_fw-la levioribus_fw-la addici_fw-la tam_fw-la rigid_a defensa_fw-la ab_fw-la augustino_n ne_fw-la ipsi_fw-la quidem_fw-la augustino_n placuera●_n ante_fw-la quam_fw-la cum_fw-la pelagio_n collideretur_fw-la voss_n de_fw-fr necess_n bap_n thes_n 21._o that_o augustine_n rigidness_n about_o the_o necessity_n of_o infant_n baptism_n ne_o ipsi_fw-la placuerat_fw-la augustino_n be_v not_o please_v to_o augustine_n himself_o before_o that_o he_o dispute_v with_o pelagius_n likely_a he_o may_v confess_v or_o retract_v somewhere_o in_o his_o work_n somewhat_o of_o that_o rigidness_n but_o we_o have_v not_o leisure_n as_o that_o emperor_n to_o hunt_v after_o every_o fly_n 3._o let_v vossius_fw-la answer_n they_o object_n say_v he_o that_o augustine_n fulgentius_n gregory_n and_o the_o author_n of_o hypognosticon_n adjudge_v those_o infant_n to_o hell_n torment_n that_o die_v without_o baptism_n and_o this_o be_v socinus_n his_o objection_n as_o well_o as_o mr_n t._n his_o here_o in_o the_o margin_n of_o his_o 8_o section_n of_o his_o examen_fw-la p._n 15._o but_o say_v vossius_fw-la 1_o the_o late_a ancient_n that_o also_o hold_v infant_n baptism_n do_v just_o disapprove_v of_o their_o judgement_n as_o bernard_n dispute_v against_o it_o in_o his_o 77._o ep._n and_o of_o the_o same_o judgement_n be_v his_o fellow_n petrus_n blesensis_n of_o the_o same_o time_n with_o bernard_n serm._n 22._o de_fw-fr s._n trinitate_fw-la saying_n sufficit_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o spirit_n and_o water_n suffice_v the_o spirit_n and_o blood_n suffice_v if_o not_o the_o contempt_n of_o religion_n but_o the_o point_n of_o necessity_n exclude_v the_o water_n the_o spirit_n if_o self_n will_v suffice_v because_o the_o testimony_n thereof_o have_v weight_n so_o again_o the_o same_o man_n serm._n 24._o in_o festo_fw-la jacobi_fw-la by_o this_o you_o may_v see_v how_o far_o mr_n t._n his_o former_a assertion_n be_v true_a that_o 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