consideration_n that_o in_o this_o century_n tertullian_n persuade_v to_o defer_v both_o the_o baptism_n of_o child_n and_o other_o who_o be_v of_o age_n do_v thereby_o intimate_v that_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n at_o that_o time_n to_o baptise_v the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o otherwise_o there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o he_o shall_v desire_v that_o they_o will_v defer_v the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o concern_v tradition_n which_o mr._n danvers_n say_v be_v the_o principal_a ground_n that_o have_v be_v urge_v for_o infants-baptism_n with_o a_o answer_n thereto_o sect._n 2._o to_o make_v out_o this_o he_o quote_v austin_n who_o call_v it_o a_o apostolical_a tradition_n to_o which_o i_o say_v in_o my_o answer_n that_o ancient_o the_o great_a point_n of_o faith_n be_v by_o the_o father_n name_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o they_o be_v call_v by_o the_o apostle_n 2_o thes._n 2._o 15._o which_o be_v all_o one_o with_o divine_a doctrine_n or_o 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