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world_n ergo._n that_o which_o be_v in_o the_o cup_n be_v not_o a_o sign_n or_o figure_n only_o of_o christ_n blood_n those_o word_n then_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d this_o be_v the_o cup_n the_o new_a testament_n in_o my_o blood_n can_v admit_v of_o this_o interpretation_n this_o cup_n be_v a_o sign_n of_o my_o blood_n unless_o you_o will_v grant_v that_o a_o bare_a sign_n of_o christ_n blood_n be_v shed_v for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o world_n which_o be_v high_a blasphemy_n for_o it_o be_v very_o plain_a by_o the_o express_a word_n of_o the_o text_n that_o the_o very_a cup_n which_o be_v the_o new_a testament_n in_o christ_n blood_n be_v shed_v for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o world_n wherefore_o that_o cup_n can_v not_o be_v a_o sign_n only_o but_o the_o true_a precious_a blood_n of_o our_o saviour_n whâ—t_v say_v you_o doctor_n who_o now_o
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