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A41780 Hear the church, or, An appeal to the mother of us all to all the baptized believers in England, exhorting them to stedfastness in the truth, according to the scriptures : together with some farther considerations of seven queries, sent to the baptized believers in Lincolnshire, concerning the judge of contriversies in matters of religion : in three parts / by Thomas Grantham. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1687 (1687) Wing G1536; ESTC R5931 41,980 66

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