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B07982 A direction to death: teaching man the way to die well, that being dead, he may liue euer. Made in the forme of a dialogue, for the ease and benefite of him that shall reade it. The speakers therein are Quirinus and Regulus. Perneby, William. 1599 (1599) STC 19766.7; ESTC S94700 255,346 516

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if it happen we finde they haue otherwise thought than the trueth may beare them Such am I in the writings of others and such would I wish others to be in mine But here in this matter of which we now intreate I stand more vpon his negation than either his affirmation or his dubitation First because hee therein accordeth with the holy canonicall scriptures which I some while mentioned ere euer I him named Secondly because he oftener denieth it according to the scripture than he either affirmeth it or doubteth of it altogether against the scriptures for besides the places named in which he denyeth it which for weight if not for number are able to counteruaile all those in which he either affirmeth it or doubteth of it hee denieth it also in his first booke against the Pelagians where he thus saith August lib. 5. cont Pelag A third place we know none neither doe we finde in the holy scriptures that there is any such out of the forge of thine owne conceite O Pelagian fayne thou such an one to be And in his Enchiridion where he thus saith August Enchirid. cap. 67. They which teach that some men are punished in a long continuing fire but not eternall are deceiued through a certaine humane beneuolence for the holy scripture being consulted with answereth another thing And also in his questions of eitheir testament where hee thus saith In the world to come there is onely remuneration August in quaest vtriusque Testament and condemnation but here in this world sinnes are either loosed or bound But why stand I thus long vpon him vpon whom if I stoode nothing at all the trueth of that I say would be neuer a whit the more impaired or weakened It is because I was thereto vrged and moued and not because my matter had been naught vnles by him it had been confirmed for the ground thereof is good And therefore as tha● house will stand which is built vpon a ro●ke so will this doctrine which is grounded vpon the trueth Q. So let it then for I see by that which ● said against purgatorie that there is little ground for purgatorie R. Neuer little it as if there were any but rather none it because there is none at all for except it be in Philosophers and Poets Purgatorie hath no ground And what should wee doe with the authoritie of Philosophers and Poets against the expresse testimonie of scriptures and Fathers Alphonsus lib. 8. de haeres de Indulgent Polydor. Virg. de Inuent lib 8. cap. 7. August lib. 2. ad Gaudent Vntill this day of the Grecians or of the East Church Purgatorie was neuer beleeued saith Alphonsus and of Purgatorie among the auncient fathers there is either no mention at all or very seldome yea euen vntill this day the Grecians beleeue it not saith Polydore Virgill And though they did yet were that nothing to vs. For wee must not alwaies imitate or allowe whatsoeuer allowed persons haue done but lay the iudgement of scriptures to it to see whether they allowe the doing of it Exod. 23.2 For thus they runne Thou shalt not follow a multitude to doe euill neither agree in a controuersie to decline after many and ouerthrowe the trueth Iere. 23.16 And againe Heare not the words of the Prophets that prophecie vnto you and teach you vanitie they speake the vision of their owne heart and not out of the mouth of the Lord. And againe 1. Ioh. 4.1 Beleeue not euerie spirite but trie the spirits whether they be of God for many false Prophets are gone out into the world And to the same the auncient writers accord saith Ignatius Whosoeuer speaketh any thing more than is written Ignatius in his epistle to Hieron although he be worthie credit although hee fast although hee keepe his virginitie although he doe miracles although he prophecie yet let him seeme to thee a wolfe in the flocke of sheepe saith Hierome After the Apostles of Christ Hieron super Psal 86. notwithstanding some man be holy notwithstanding he be eloquent yet he wanteth authoritie and saith Picus Mirandula We ought to beleeue a simple plaine husbandman or a childe Picus Mirādula in the quest Whether the Pope be aboue the Councell Deut. 12.32 or an olde woman rather than the Pope and a thousand Bishops if the Pope and the Bishops speake against the Gospell and the others with the Gospell If the scriptures allowe not what wee would haue allowed we must not allow it Deut. 12.32 Saith the Lorde Whatsoeuer I commaund you take heede you doe it thou shalt put nothing thereto nor take ought therefrom If any man shall adde vnto these things Reuel 22.18 19. God shall adde vnto him the plagues that are written in this booke and if any man shall diminish of the words of the booke of this prophecie God shall take away his part out of the booke of life and out of the holy citie and from those things which are written in this booke Q. An hard sentence a heauie burthen I see well by this that wee must beleeue neither Pope nor Papist in their purgatorie cause R. You may be right well assured of that for therein they speake not with the Gospell But they adde to the Gospell and diminish from the Gospell yea and speake against the Gospell The Gospell saith Christ the Lambe of God hath taken away the sinnes of the world But they say Purgatorie must doe somewhat thereto The Gospell saith The guilt of sinne being remitted the punishment thereof cannot be reteyned They say The guilt of sinne being remitted some part of the punishment thereof and fire in purgatorie must be sustained The Gospell saith God doth not punish one sinne twise They say The sinne that God doth in part punish here he doth afterward more fully punish in purgatorie The Gospell saith All the punishments that God doth leuie vpon sinners after this life is in hell They say Some punishment that God doth lay vpon sinners after this life is in Purgatorie The Gospell saith After this life there is no punishment of sinne temporall any where They say Yes in Purgatorie Thus in this poynt are they and the Gospell contrarie Q. Yet by hearing and reading of others I haue found that much they pretend the Gospell R. That is not vnlike yet are you not therfore euer the more to credit them in what they say For thus saith Saint Cyrill In concil Calcedon act 1. Athanas cont Arrianos orat 1. All heretiques out of the heauenly inspired scriptures gather occasion of their error And thus Athanasius Heretikes vse the words of the scripture for a bayte Q. I but they doe not so R. The better for them if it be not found so but I feare me as Tertullian sayd of one heretike Tertullian de Baptismo Hee assaulteth the faith by the same words of God that breedeth faith so wee may well say of them They