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A54154 The invalidity of John Faldo's vindication of his book, called Quakerism no Christianity being a rejoynder in defence of the answer, intituled, Quakerism a new nick-name for old Christianity : wherein many weighty Gospel-truths are handled, and the disingenuous carriage of by W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1673 (1673) Wing P1305; ESTC R24454 254,441 450

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his_o teach_v unto_o other_o he_o reply_v thus_o reply_v pag._n 58._o so_o that_o after_o w._n p_n own_o strict_a account_n he_o allow_v their_o practice_n viz._n preach_v of_o man_n to_o give_v the_o lie_v every_o day_n to_o their_o tenet_n rejoynder_n if_o preach_n of_o man_n by_o the_o spirit_n be_v the_o preach_n of_o man_n such_o preach_n we_o shall_v always_o allow_v and_o think_v it_o no_o lie_n or_o contradiction_n to_o our_o tenet_n but_o if_o he_o that_o dictate_v a_o letter_n of_o intelligence_n be_v the_o informer_n and_o not_o the_o scribe_n the_o holy_a spirit_n must_v be_v the_o teacher_n and_o man_n but_o the_o instrument_n true_a teach_n be_v not_o only_a word_n but_o matter_n and_o that_o accompany_v with_o divine_a power_n which_o flow_v from_o the_o eternal_a spirit_n man_n give_v they_o but_o the_o simple_a cover_v of_o expression_n and_o that_o by_o the_o spirit_n be_v appointment_n therefore_o not_o so_o proper_o the_o teach_n of_o man_n by_o the_o holy_a 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whatever_o we_o have_v say_v against_o the_o utmost_a of_o man_n natural_a ability_n consider_v separately_z from_o god_n spirit_n about_o his_o teach_v we_o never_o yet_o say_v that_o man_n be_v not_o to_o be_v teach_v be_v there_o no_o difference_n betwixt_o man_n teach_v without_o god_n spirit_n and_o man_n be_v teach_v of_o god_n spirit_n at_o who_o door_n then_o shall_v we_o lay_v this_o absurdity_n the_o spirit_n of_o god_n exhort_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n what_o a_o idle_a non_fw-fr sequitur_fw-la be_v this_o nor_o do_v we_o deny_v all_o agency_n in_o man_n when_o manage_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n a_o man_n may_v as_o well_o argue_v follow_v j._n faldo_n step_n against_o the_o apostle_n paul_n when_o he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o
pet_n 1._o 19_o our_o adversary_n employ_v his_o 19_o chapter_n in_o defence_n of_o his_o exposition_n of_o 3_o passage_n in_o scripture_n against_o what_o i_o offer_v in_o my_o answer_n to_o be_v the_o true_a scope_n and_o intendment_n of_o they_o but_o what_o shall_v i_o say_v so_o lame_o do_v he_o cite_v i_o so_o constant_o overlook_v i_o that_o unless_o he_o have_v hope_v to_o be_v believe_v write_v what_o he_o will_v or_o that_o what_o he_o write_v will_v pass_v for_o a_o reply_n whether_o it_o deserve_v to_o be_v call_v so_o or_o no_o i_o can_v see_v no_o pretence_n for_o continue_v the_o controversy_n for_o either_o he_o grant●_n what_o we_o say_v by_o contradict_v himself_o or_o say_v nothing_o to_o what_o we_o deny_v that_o may_v strict_o merit_v our_o notice_n but_o let_v he_o speak_v for_o himself_o reply_v p._n 80._o upon_o my_o exposition_n of_o joh._n 1._o 9_o that_o be_v the_o true_a light_n etc._n etc._n w._n p._n make_v a_o huge_a brag_n of_o the_o advantage_n i_o give_v his_o cause_n and_o thus_o he_o argue_v from_o my_o word_n if_o christ_n make_v all_o thing_n than_o christ_n be_v before_o his_o appearance_n p._n 168._o and_o consequent_o christ_n be_v and_o be_v the_o word_n which_o be_v with_o god_n and_o be_v god_n and_o the_o light_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n rejoynder_n if_o he_o say_v nothing_o as_o nothing_o he_o say_v to_o what_o he_o cite_v blame_v not_o i_o for_o i_o will_v have_v report_v it_o but_o whether_o i_o have_v any_o advantage_n or_o have_v it_o brag_v of_o it_o will_v be_v best_a see_v by_o give_v my_o answer_n as_o it_o lay_v if_o christ_n be_v that_o light_n which_o be_v that_o word_n which_o make_v all_o thing_n and_o therefore_o god_n as_o say_v j._n faldo_n than_o christ_n be_v before_o his_o bodily_a appearance_n and_o consequent_o our_o former_a chapter_n be_v justify_v on_o our_o part_n against_o his_o notion_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v christ_n but_o j._n faldo_n express_o say_v p._n 84_o 85._o as_o the_o word_n be_v the_o light_n of_o man_n so_o or_o in_o that_o manner_n be_v christ_n the_o light_n of_o man_n nay_o he_o call_v it_o christ_n appear_v in_o the_o flesh_n consequent_o christ_n be_v before_o he_o take_v that_o flesh_n or_o appear_v in_o that_o body_n not_o to_o constitute_v he_o or_o make_v he_o christ_n but_o to_o transact_v work_n declare_v and_o bring_v to_o pass_v by_o and_o through_o it_o as_o a_o peculiar_a vessel_n and_o prepare_v holy_a instrument_n therefore_o christ_n be_v and_o be_v that_o word_n which_o be_v with_o god_n and_o be_v god_n and_o the_o light_n of_o men._n this_o be_v my_o argument_n ground_v upon_o his_o concession_n what_o advantage_n it_o be_v to_o our_o cause_n let_v it_o answer_v for_o itself_o what_o bragg_n i_o make_v i_o know_v not_o unless_o it_o be_v my_o calling_n his_o acknowledgement_n a_o justification_n of_o our_o foregoing_a chapter_n i_o leave_v the_o mean_v of_o his_o silence_n to_o my_o reader_n and_o insert_v his_o reply_n to_o another_o part_n of_o my_o answer_n which_o be_v this_o and_o lest_o we_o shall_v yet_o mistake_v he_o he_o call_v it_o god_n manifest_v it_o in_o the_o flesh_n and_o that_o he_o may_v speak_v all_o for_o we_o in_o a_o little_a &_o give_v the_o death_n wound_n to_o his_o own_o cause_n he_o tell_v we_o in_o so_o many_o word_n that_o the_o salvation_n and_o life_n eternal_a of_o poor_a sinner_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o christ_n as_o god_n mark_v his_o reply_n reply_v p._n 80._o yea_o and_o as_o man_n too_o yet_o as_o this_o exclude_v not_o his_o divinity_n as_o necessary_a to_o our_o salvation_n neither_o do_v his_o dimity_n exclude_v his_o humanity_n as_o necessary_a rejoynder_n these_o word_n yea_o and_o man_n too_o be_v add_v but_o with_o this_o woeful_a impertinency_n that_o they_o whole_o contradict_v his_o say_v salvation_n of_o poor_a sinner_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o christ_n as_o god_n for_o they_o imply_v a_o denial_n of_o man_n salvation_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o christ_n as_o man_n and_o that_o this_o be_v his_o mean_v take_v his_o own_o word_n as_o they_o lie_v in_o his_o own_o book_n part_v 2._o p._n 85._o and_o this_o i_o take_v to_o be_v the_o import_n of_o the_o four_o verse_n 10._o 1._o in_o he_o be_v life_n and_o the_o life_n be_v the_o light_n of_o man_n that_o be_v the_o salvation_n and_o life_n eternal_a of_o poor_a sinner_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o christ_n as_o god_n who_o be_v so_o qualify_v be_v capahle_n of_o work_v it_o i_o say_v again_o and_o all_o reasonable_a man_n must_v acknowledge_v i_o do_v not_o wrong_v his_o mean_v but_o give_v his_o sense_n and_o not_o i_o to_o be_v sure_a there_o be_v no_o such_o word_n as_o these_o yea_o and_o as_o man_n too_o which_o be_v just_a as_o if_o i_o shall_v say_v the_o understanding_n of_o a_o man_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o he_o as_o he_o be_v a_o reasonable_a creature_n &_o be_v charge_v with_o a_o self-contradiction_n shall_v absurd_o add_v yea_o and_o as_o a_o animal_n too_o there_o needs_o so_o point_v at_o so_o much_o palpable_a weakness_n his_o other_o word_n about_o the_o divinity_n be_v not_o exclude_v the_o manhood_n of_o christ_n as_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o question_n but_o a_o mere_a go_v by_o slip_n to_o the_o bu●●ness_n for_o all_o be_v necessary_a that_o god_n think_v necessary_a that_o be_v instrumental_o but_o will_v it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o the_o salvation_n and_o life_n eternal_a of_o poor_a sinner_n be_v wrap_v up_o in_o instrument_n but_o let_v we_o see_v what_o he_o say_v at_o the_o defence_n i_o make_v for_o my_o render_n of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d enlighten_v in_o my_o book_n entitle_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n vindicate_v hear_v he_o reply_v p._n 81._o i_o know_v not_o any_o cause_n he_o have_v to_o think_v i_o stumble_v at_o his_o render_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d enlighten_v unless_o for_o rebuke_v he_o for_o wastng_a so_o many_o page_n in_o quote_v authority_n for_o that_o which_o will_v be_v grant_v easy_o rejoynder_n he_o and_o his_o friend_n h._n h._n be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v blame_v that_o they_o put_v i_o to_o so_o much_o expense_n to_o make_v good_a it_o at_o least_o he_o intent_a to_o grant_v i_o but_o his_o easy_a grant_n be_v of_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v too_o hard_o to_o be_v keep_v however_o i_o accept_v his_o acknowledgement_n as_o also_o of_o his_o silence_n to_o what_o i_o write_v in_o defence_n of_o our_o understanding_n the_o follow_a word_n so_o much_o controvert_v by_o some_o every_o man_n come_v into_o the_o world_n however_o there_o be_v one_o passage_n that_o must_v not_o slip_v it_o be_v this_o reply_v p._n 81._o the_o last_o part_n of_o my_o exposition_n viz._n that●_n he_o that_o be_v the_o true_a light_a point_n at_o christ_n appearance_n in_o the_o flesh_n i_o add_v in_o his_o state_n of_o humiliation_n this_o faith_n w._n p._n p._n 178._o stint_v christ_n to_o that_o appearance_n deny_v christ_n now_o to_o be_v that_o true_a light_n that_o 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i_o say_v again_o that_o his_o drift_n be_v to_o unconcern_v that_o be_v the_o true_a light_n in_o any_o other_o time_n then_o christ_n come_v in_o the_o flesh_n 9_o to_o which_o i_o oppose_v about_o a_o page_n and_o a_o half_a of_o which_o he_o have_v report_v not_o above_o four_o line_n and_o those_o not_o as_o they_o lay_v take_v it_o reader_n brief_o thus_o if_o the_o word_n that_o make_v all_o thing_n which_o be_v with_o god_n and_o be_v god_n be_v that_o true_a light_n as_o say_z j._n faldo_n himself_o p._n 84._o than_o can_v it_o never_o be_v restrain_v to_o that_o appearance_n as_o the_o beginning_n or_o end_n of_o it_o
the_o true_a freedom_n of_o this_o mighty_a nation_n from_o great_a thraldom_n i_o can_v particularize_v in_o twenty_o great_a instance_n and_o bring_v the_o complaint_n of_o many_o considerable_a person_n against_o they_o many_o pamphlet_n be_v extant_a that_o loud_o speak_v the_o same_o especial_o two_o call_v the_o first_o and_o second_o narrative_n of_o the_o late_a parliament_n proceed_n etc._n etc._n print_v anno_fw-la 1658._o and_o 1659._o as_o i_o take_v it_o in_o which_o the_o great_a hypocrisy_n the_o most_o detestable_a falseness_n to_o god_n and_o man_n and_o a_o sort_n of_o flattery_n to_o their_o new_a monarchy_n exceed_v all_o modern_a idolatry_n yea_o blasphemy_n itself_o be_v bring_v to_o light_n and_o lay_v at_o the_o door_n chief_o of_o the_o priesthood_n among_o all_o persuasion_n in_o any_o power_n at_o that_o time_n out_o of_o which_o and_o several_a other_o i_o have_v extract_v about_o one_o sheet_n which_o i_o intend_v for_o the_o press_n but_o pure_a 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