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his_o disciple_n but_o i_o you_o shall_v not_o have_v always_o augustine_n in_o his_o first_o word_n expound_v this_o to_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o bodily_a presence_n of_o christ_n simple_o campion_n it_o be_v speak_v according_a to_o his_o visible_a conversation_n prove_v any_o thing_n against_o this_o goad_n augustine_n exclude_v all_o kind_n of_o bodily_a presence_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o speak_v according_a to_o his_o visible_a conversation_n camp_n i_o deny_v your_o antecedent_n goad_n augustine_n acknowledge_v only_o two_o kind_n of_o presence_n of_o christ_n the_o one_o the_o bodily_a presence_n of_o his_o flesh_n the_o other_o according_a to_o his_o majesty_n providence_n &_o invisible_a grace_n according_a to_o this_o latter_a kind_n he_o say_v christ_n be_v present_a with_o we_o which_o he_o direct_o oppose_v to_o his_o bodily_a presence_n therefore_o all_o kind_n of_o bodily_a presence_n be_v exclude_v campion_n there_o be_v no_o contrariety_n to_o that_o i_o say_v 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