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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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whiche hath no foundation vpon the worde of Iesus Christ and is neuer a whit necessarie to make vs partakers of the fruite of the Sacramentes If heerupon anye man will This place he hād leth againe in his declaration aske vs whether our mindes bee to seelude Iesus Christ from his Supper we say we meane no such mater But if we haue regarde to the distaunce of places as muste nedes haue when the question riseth of the corporall presence and of his humanitie distinctly considered we saye his bodie is so farre from the bread and wine as the greatest heigth of heauen is distaunte from the earth forsomuche as touching vs we bee vpon the earth and so be the Sacramentes also and touching him his fleshe is in heauen in such sort glorified that as Saint Augustine sayeth hath not taken away the nature of a verye bodye but hath rydde from it all infirmities and imperfections belonging naturallie thereunto And if anye body will hereof conclude that hereby we make Iesus Christ to be away from his holy Supper we answere that he concludeth a wrye for we doe to God this honour that we beleue according to his word that albeit his body presently is in heauen and in none other place and we vpon the earth and not elles where we bee neuertheles made partakers of his bodie and blood in a spirituall sort by meane of faith as verely as we se the Sacramentes with oure eyes touch them with oure handes put them in our mouthes and liue with the substaunce of them in this corporall life You see in a summe my Lordes what our beliefe is in this point which as semeth to vs and in case we be deceiued we woulde be glad to vnderstād it offered no violence to the wordes of Iesus Christ neither yet to the article of Ascētion neither to the ordinaūce and foūdation of the Sacramentes neither yet openeth away to any questiōs or distinctiōs curious and combersome to be dissolued ▪ And further it hindreth not our coniunction and vnitie with Iesus Christe for the whiche ende principally the sayde Sacramentes were ordeined and not to be worshipped shewed kept or caried about neither yet offered to God And to make an ende This beliefe if we be not deceiued importeth more honor to the power and worde of the Sonne of God then doth the other that supposeth the body of Christ to be really coupled with the signes or els we mought not be partakers thereof I shall not nede to touche any point of that may concerne the administration of Baptisme for that I am sure none of you my Lordes will thinke so ill of vs as to accoumpte vs to be of the ranke of the Anabaptistes which sect hath this day no greater enemies then we be to it And as for other particuler questions in this matter we trust with the ayde of God that being the principal controuersie agreed vpon by this frendly and quiet conference the rest will take end of it selfe Touching other commonlie called holy Sacramentes trueth it is that we can not gene thē that name tyll we be better taught so to do by holy Scriptures And yet in the meane tyme we Confirmation thinke we haue sufficiently astablisihed the true confirmation the office whereof is to catechise and to instruct suche as haue bene baptized in their infancie and generally all persons before they ought to be admitted to the holy Supper We teache also true penitence Penaunce whiche lyeth in the true knowledge of oure fautes and the satisfaction of the parties by vs offended either publikelie or perticulerlye and in the absolution whiche we haue by the blood of Christe and in the amendinge of our liues We do allowe Matrimonie according Matrimonie to the ordinaunce of S. Paule in all them that haue not the gyfte of continencie to the whiche we think not to be lawful to binde any person by vowe or perpetuall profession and with that we condemne all whordome wantounesse and loosenes both in wordes gesture and dedes We do very wel admit degrees in Ecclesiasticall charges in suche Orders sort as God hath ordained them in his house by his holy worde We do also allowe visitations of the sicke as a principall part of the holy ministery of the Gospel We do teache with S. Paule no man to be iudged in the difference of dayes and meates knowing that the kingdome of God lieth not in suche corruptible thinges But in this parte we condemne all dissolution exhorting incessauntly all men to sober lyuing to the mortification of the flesh according to eche mans necessitie and to continuall prayer The laste point nowe resteth whiche is touching outwarde order and pollicie of the ecclesiasticall estate wherin we thinke my Lordes we may saye without offence that all is at this daye so peruerted so confounded in such ruyne as it will be harde for the best Maisters deuisers of works that be at this time aliue wel considering the cōmune order and state at this presente of the Churche with the lifes maners conuersation of the ecclesiastical persons to espy out the old signes markes of the buildinge so well deuised compassed and framed by the Apostles whereof your selues can somwhat bear witnesse hauing these dayes passed trauailed about the reformation thereof And because these matters be so well knowen we minde not to holde any further purpose of them being specially thinges better to be kept in silence then to be spoken of abrode And to conclude we proteste before God and his holie Aungels before your Maiestie and this right honorable companie that sitteth rounde aboute you that oure desire and entent is nothing but to haue the fourme of the Churche brought againe to the naturall purenes and bewtie in the which it so greatly florished in the tyme of the Apostles and of our Lord Iesus Christ And touching those thinges that sithen that tyme haue bene added and haue crepte into the Churche such of them as shall appeare clerely to be supersticious or manifestlye contrarie to the worde of God to be vtterlye abolished such as be superfluous to be cut of and suche as by experience we haue sene to leade men to supersticion to be taken quite awaye And if anye shall be founde expedient and seruinge to edifyinge beinge iudged to be of that sorte after ripe wayinge of them by the auncient Canons and authoritie of the fathers let them continue and be reteined kepte and obserued in the Name of God according as may be thought to be conuenient for the tyme place and persons to the intent that drawing all by one string we may serue God in spirite and trueth vnder your protection and obedience Sire and vnder the gouernement of suche as God hathe appoynted vnder your Maiestie to haue the order of the administratiō of this Realme And if ther be any Sire that yet do thinke that the doctrine wherof we make profession doth by anye meane
▪ yet by the spirituall vertue of it and by the meane of a right true faith we that be on the earth and do beleue in him be made partakers of his very body and his very blood as truely and as certainlye as we see with our eyes and touche with our handes the holye visible Sacramentes of the bread and wine whiche he hath ordeyned to that effect If this declaration Madame which long tyme sithen hath bene set forth amonges my wrytynges albeit I could not yesterdaye do you to vnderstande the same may satisfie youre Maiestie I shall haue greate cause to prayse and thanke God hyghly therefore If not I will be so bolde as to desire yet so much fauour at your hand as that I may satisfie your Maiestie more fully by mouth in the presence yf it shall so be thought nedefull of such as by whom you shall thinke I may receiue knowledge and learnynge as one that hath great nede thereof and that doth desire nothynge so muche as to learne more and more whereby I may be the more hable to do your Maiestie seruice in the establishing of so holsome and so holye a concorde and agreement These be the very wordes by me spoken where with my Lordes the Prelats seme to be much offended If thereupon they will aske if Rehearsal of the wordes spoken the daye before my meaninge be to make Christe absent from his Supper I saye nay Beleuing neuerthelesse that waying the distaunce of the plates for so muste we do when the question toucheth corporall presence and considering distinctly his humanitie his bodye is as farre from the breade and wine as the highest parte of heauen is from the earth If any man will conclude hereof that we make Christe absent from his Supper we thinke him to conclude yll For this honoure do we geue to God that according to his holye Worde albeit the body of Christe be in heauen and we on the earth yet be we made partakers of his body and blood as verely in a spirituall maner and by faith as we do see the Sacramentes with our eyes and put them into our mouthes do lyue with the substaunce of them in this corporall lyfe ▪ These were my wordes For the confirmation whereof ▪ here what S. Augustine sayth in his fifte treatie vpon S. Iohn When Iesus Christ sayde you shall not alwaye haue me with you he speake of the presence of his bodye For concerninge his Maiestie his prouidence and his inuisible grace he hath fully accomplished his promyse made in an other place I wil be with you til the ende of the world But concerning the nature of man taken of him concerning that he was borne of the virgin Mary concernynge that he was crucified buried and raysed from death to lyfe this sentence is accomplished you shall not alwaye haue me with you And whye for that touching his body he was conuersaunt 40. dayes with his disciples and from the same disciples folowing him with their eyes and not going after him he ascended into heauen at the ende of 40. dayes and is no more here The same S Augustine in his Epistle to Dardanus In asmuch as he is God he is euery where in that he is man he is in heauen Vigilins Byshoppe of Trent which wrot against the heresie of the Eutychians about the yere of Christ 500. saieth The Sonne of God is deparred from vs touching his humanitie but touching his diuinitie he sayeth vnto vs I am with you till the ende of the worlde He is with vs and he is not with vs for he hath not lefte nor forsaken touching his diuinitie them that he hath left and is departed from vs touchinge his humanitie Touchinge the fourme of a seruaunte whiche he hath lift vp into heauen out of our company he is absent but touchinge the fourme of God which departeth not from vs he is present with vs. Againe when his fleshe was on the earth certainly it was not in heauen now that it is in heauen as certainely it is not on the earth and so is he absent as we do styll loke for him which we do beleue to be with vs on the earth in that he is the word to come again from h●auen corporally and fleshly And in an other place The onely Sonne of God with was also made man is conceaued in one place by the nature of the flesh and is contained in no place touchynge the nature of his diuinitie ❧ The confession asweall of the Protestants as of there aduersary partie of lait dayes assembled at Poissy in Fraunce concerning the presence of Iesus Christ in the holie Supper whereof let our Papistes chose which best liketh them and so remoue the errour of transubstantiation ❧ La Confession du dernier iour de Septembre 1561. ENtant que la Foy rend les choses promises presentes que ceste Foy prent tresueritablement le corps le sang de nostre seigneur Iesus Christ par la vertu du sainct Esprit en cestegard nous confessons la presence du corps du sang diceluy en la saincte Cene en la quelle il nous presente donne exhibe veritablement la substance de son corps de son sang par loperatiō de son sainct Esprit nous receuons mangeons spirituelement par foy cest corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de ses os chair de sa chair a fin den estre vinifiez parceuoir tout ce qui sy recoit a nostre salut ❧ Autre Confession du premier Dottobre 1561. ❧ The Confession of the one partie presented the last day of September 1561. FOr asmuch as faith maketh present the thinges that be promised and that the sam faith receaueth most assuredly the body and the blood of our lord Iesus by the vertue of the holie Spirit In this respect we cōfesse the presence of the body of the blood of the sam our lord Iesus in the holy Supper In the which he presenteth geueth exhibiteth verely the substance of his body of his blood by operatiō of his holy Spirit we receaue eat spiritually by faith the body which dead for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and to receaue all that which is requisit for our saluation ❧ The Confession of the other parte presented the first of October 1561. NOus confessons que Iesus Christ en sa saincte Cene nous presente donne exhibe veritablemēt la substāce de son corps de son sang par loperation de son sainct Esprit que nous receuons mangeons sacramentellement spirituellement parfoy ce propre corps qui est mort pour nous pour estre os de sesos chair de sa chair a fin den estre viuifiez parcenoir tout ce qui est requis a nostre salut Et pource que la foy appuyee sur la parolle de Dieu rend fait les choses promises presentes que par ceste foy nous y prenons vraiement de faict le vray naturel corps sang de nostre Seigneur par la vertu de son sainct Esprit en cest egard nous confessons la presence du corps sang diceluy en la saincte Cene. WE confesse that Iesus Christ in his holy Supper presenteth geueth verely offereth vnto vs the substance of his body and his blood by the operatiō of his holy Spirit And that we receaue and eat sacramentally spiritually and by faith that sam body which died for vs to be bon of his bones and flesh of his flesh to the end that we may be quickened and perceaue all that which is requiset for our saluation And because that faith grounded vpon the word of God maketh and geueth present the thinges promised and that by this faith we verely and in effect receaue the naturall body and blood of our Lord by the vertue of his holy Spirit in this respecte we confesse the presence of his body and blood in the holy Supper De la part des ministres Maistres Pierre Martyr Theodore de Beze Nic. des Gallars Augustin Marlorat Iean de Lespine Pourla part des do creurs euesques Messieurs Leuesque de Valāce Leuesque de Sees Salinac Bouteiller Despence For the parte of the ministers Masters Peter Martyr Theodore de Beze Nicolas de Gallas Augustin Marlorat Iohn de Lespine For the part of the doct bischoppes My lords Bischop of Valence Bischoppe of Sees Sallignac Bouceiller Despence WE know not whiche of the Confessions was presented by the partie of the Protestants neither which by the Bischoppes but let oure Papistes chese either and let vs geue glory vnto God whose veritie compelleth his enemies to confesse that whiche they haue long denied Arise o Lord let thy enemies be confounded Amen The end Imprinted at Edinburgh by Robet Lekprewik Cum priuilegio 1561.