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A25196 The case of ministring at the communion-table when there is no Eucharist stated and discussed, upon occasion of a treatise entitled, Parish churches turn'd into conventicles, &c. : together with some preliminary reflections made upon two papers in answer to that treatise. T. A. 1683 (1683) Wing A29; ESTC R21330 27,156 35

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