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A18920 Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham. Clapham, Henoch. 1608 (1608) STC 5341; ESTC S118639 27,520 96

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and he sayd that it was so in the Origenall but I will neuer beleeue it Flyer No sir these limmes of Antichrist are not to be beleeued Legat. ar Hold you there and I will assure you to become an excellent Diuine in short time But we are come vnto the Citie Where meane you to lodge Flyer I haue Letters to deliuer vnto some English-factors and they be to supply mee with necessaries But tell mee where I may find you to morrow morning and I will be early with you Legat. ar Harken then come thither early and there you shall haue me But by eight of the clocke I purpose to set towards Camphere a league of that is some three English myles and so I will teach you a Mysterie touching Christ which you neuer learned Flyer I thanke you sir and I will willingly attende THE FIFT DIALOGVE First betweene the Flyer and the Legatine-arrian secondly betweene the Legatine-arrian and the Familist Flyer GOod morrow sir are you setting on your iorney Legat. ar I am But I want meanes yet for conueying a Bundle of Listes Flyer Doe you then deale in Cloth-listes I haue heard that it is a very good Marchandize Well sir if they be no moe then these I can easily carry them vnder my Cloake Legat. ar I thanke you for it you shall so saue me a few Styphers Flyer I haue coucht them vnder my arme very well Let vs now set on our way And I pray you sir now discourse of the Christ as you last night promised Legat. ar I will If you marke all the limmes of Antichrist whether Papist or Protestant or Anabaptist you shall find them ignoraunt euery of them of the true Christ. The Papist and Protestant doe hold him God and Man So doth the Anabaptist but with a difference The first hold that he is very God essentially and very Man of man essentially Yet seeing the word Essentially seemeth to be deriued of the Beastes language I will rather vse the word Substantially Flyer And I thinke sir that that word sauours somewhat of Romulus for I remember that in their Latine Grammer there is Substantinum hic h●●c hoc Legat. ar O you begin to abounde with the true Spirit that will lead you into all trueth But Country-man as the Apostle could not sayle thorow the Seas but in the Shippe whose badge was the prophaine Castor and Pollux so neither can wee sayle thorow these Discourses but in wordes stamped with the Image of the Beast Flyer O most excellent Theologue I neuer obserued that comparison Legat. ar You shall heare more excellent thinges then these How the Protestant and Papist doe hold Christ wee haue learned at home Now for the Dowper that is the Anabaptist he holdeth him very God passing through the Virgins wombe as Wind through a pipe taking nothing of our nature because then he should be a sinner but bringing a bodily substance with him from Heauen whether fetcht out of the Fathers diuine substaunce or out of the Angels spirituall substaunce or out of the Heauens substaunce they know not But the very trueth is Hee is to be held a meere Man as was Peter Paul or I Onely whereas we haue the Spirit in measure and were borne in sinne hee had the Spirit beyond measure and was borne free from sinne As for the Scriptures t●arming him sometimes GOD it intendeth not his Essence but his office and you know that in such respect the Magistrate is called God And herewith all let me tell you how lately in England I gaue a Magistrate the bagge I being conuented before him he beginnes to puffe he strokes vp his forehead and then sotted out this question Syrrha doe you hold that Iesus Christ is but meere man as I or an other man is To whom I answered They abuse mee and haue abused your eares that haue reported any such thing of mee Then quoth he againe doe you deny Christ to be God To whom I answered No sir I do verily beleeue that he is God Doe you so That doe I quoth I. Then quoth he thou art of mine owne Religion Fare-fall thy heart for so satisfying mee and my learned Brother here Goe thy wayes thou art an honest-man I warrant thee And so was I quickly dispatched The foolish Flat-cap thought that by my graunting Christ to be God I had meant as he meant namely God by Nature whereas I meant God by Office Flyer O notable learning rare learning Legat. ar Now sir it being meere Man that sinned it must be meere Man that must satisfie Gods iustice and therefore at first preached That the Womans seed should breake the Serpents head As also that Hee should be a Seed deriued from Abram from Daui● from the Fathers which accordingly in his time came to passe and accordingly by suffring the ignominious death of the Crosse he satisfied for man the righteous dying for the vnrighteous Bu● stay is he not some English-man that runneth after vs Flyer I thinke sir it is one of the Hydutch that passed in our Shippe An odde fellow I weene if so one could found out his Religion Legat. ar Lay your Fardle downe and that shall seeme cause of our staying But what causeth you to thinke he is of some odde Religion Flyer For that in some discourse betweene him another he seemed to conclude that the Serpent which tempted Eue was but some creeping crookednesse of mínde wynding from God As also that Christ and Antichrists were no reall persons but fashions of minde Legat. ar Au au I know then what he is he is a plaine Familist They teach all their rudiments to their Children by a familiar kind of Play which they tearme The Interlude of Mindes It was penned by one H. N. an Hy-dutchman who also hath left in wryting very many Bookes of that abstruse kind of learning Some of our late Brownistes are entred into that Familie I know a Weauer in L●ndon he was sometimes a Clothier of Somerset-shire and after that first a Brownist then an Anabaptist now a Familist he will say that now in one quarter of an hower whilst he is in his Loome he can comprehend farre greater Reuelations of the spirit then whilst he was out of that Family he could in his whole life But say you nothing I will seeme ignorant what he is Familist Sacrament a Godt how weary I am in running after you M. Flyer Flyer I thought it was you Hans Legat. ar And you be not out of breath sir I would we might talke of Religion Familist Marry best of all and the spirit of Loue be our direction Legat. arr What Religion I pray you be you of Familist Seeing you manifest your selues to be religiously affected and secondly seeing we are out of the shot of the Magistrate I shall freely tell you what I am I am of the Holy family of Loue a Family in God and in whom God is for God is Loue. And out of this Loue there is no beeing