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A18078 A replye to an ansvvere made of M. Doctor VVhitgifte Against the admonition to the Parliament. By T.C. Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603. 1573 (1573) STC 4712; ESTC S120563 333,686 231

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example and to follow it or that for as much as he breaketh the law which is not subiect vnto it and which he made not for hym selfe that therefore we may breake the law whereunto we be subiect and to whom it is geuen But we must goe in the broade hygh way of the commaundement and of the ordinary vsage of God in gouerning hys church and not in the biepath of certayne singulare examples which haue beene in diuers ages And as often as God hath vsed thys extraordinary meanes of the ministery of women so often also hath he confirmed their calling eyther by miracle or some wonderfull issue or with some other singulare note and marke wherby he hath made their calling otherwyse straunge and monstruous most certayne and vndoubted to all men There is greater difficultie then M. Doctor mentioneth in the wordes of S. Paule where he sayth a woman praying or Prophesying ought to be vailed and haue her head couered in which words it seemeth that the Apostle lycenceth a woman to prophecie so that shee do it with her head couered But to hym that shall diligently consyder the place it shall appeare that the women of Corinth dyd passe the boundes of modesty and of shamefastnesse two wayes whereof one was that they came into the congregation contrary to the custome of those countreys with theyr heades faces vncouered an other was that they also tooke vpon them to speake in the congregation both which faultes S. Paule condemned but in their seuerall and proper places Although therfore speaking agaynst the abuse of vncouering theyr head he doth not condemne their boldnesse in teaching yet he dyd not therefore approue it the confutation whereof he reserued to a more commodious place But sayeth hee if women do baptise it is in priuate houses I haue shewed before that they may not baptise at all therefore not in priuate houses besides that that I haue in the Reply vnto the section in the one and twenty page shewed how it is not lawfull neyther to preach the word nor to minister the Sacramentes in priuate corners for the which matter of not ministring the Sacramentes in priuate houses to the authors of the Admonition citing the eleuenth Chapter of the first Epistle vnto the Corrinthians M. Doctor answeareth that he reproueth the prophanation of the supper by banketting and contempt of their brethren and exhorteth to tary one for an other But what is thys to the purpose we aske not M. Doctor the interpretation of thys place as we doe not of all the rest which he interpreateth where there is no occasyon in the world to interpreate them being of them selues very cleare and the interpretation which is brought neuer almost making ▪ any thing for the solution of that which is obiected which I desire the Reader to marke throughout hys whole booke For what if S. Paule reproue the prophanation of the supper of the Lord doth it follow therefore that he doth not geue to vnderstand that the Sacrament should be administred in a common assembly What if hee exhorte to tary one for an other therefore dothe he not dehorte from celebrating of the sacrament in a priuate house And surely me thincke you can not be so ignoraunt as you make your selfe that you should not vnderstande their argument and therefore I thinke you do rather dissemble it as you doe in diuers other places For all men may easely perceyue that as S. Paule opposeth the supper of the Lord to the common supper hys banket to the common banket so he opposeth there manifestly the church and congregation vnto the pryuate house and declareth that as the common supper or banket ought to be kept at theyr houses so the Lordes supper and hys banket ought to be celebrated in the congregation To the Admonition obiecting in the ninetie and two page that Iohn baptised openly amongst the congregation he answeareth and sayth that it may bee as well concluded that we should baptise only in the riuer of Iordane and none but those that be of age By which saying he geueth to vnderstand that to baptise in the church hath no greater necessitie thē the baptising in Iordane nor it skilleth no more whether baptisme be mynistred in the publike assembly thē it is necessary or skilleth whether we be baptised in the riuer of Iordane that the baptisme of yong infantes hath no better groundes then priuate baptisme hath The later whereof both being absurde is too too iniurious vnto the baptisme of yong infantes For as of our sauioure Christes preachinges in publyke places and refusing pryuate places we doe gather that the preaching of the woorde ought to bee publike euen so of S. Iohns preaching and baptising in open meetings wee conclude that bothe preaching and baptysing oughte to bee in publike assemblies And although to some one action there concurre dyuers things which partly are not to be followed at all partly are indifferent to be followed or not followed yet neyther the vnlawfulnesse of the one to be followed nor the indifferency of the other can hynder but there are other some things in the same action necessary to bee followed Which may be considered both of the place of the Actes touching the election where I haue proued some things there mentioned to be necessary to be done in elections although other some be not conuenient nor fit for vs to follow And I haue shewed it also by M. Caluine which Maister Doctor alleageth for hym selfe and by Cyprian whose authoritie he woulde be loth to reiect I am sure least he should lose the opynion of hys studiousnesse of the olde wryters which he hunteth so dyligently after in thys booke and wherof he maketh the authors of the Admonition so great contemners And it is not harde to shew the same in .xx. places more as in S. Mathew and S. Luke where as there are dyuers things not to be followed of the mynisters now other things indifferent to be followed so are there also other things that be as well commaunded to all the mynisters that now are as they were then eyther to the 12. or 70. disciples And other reason he addeth there that S. Peter baptised in Cornelius house But M. Doctor maketh not the best choyse of hys argumentes for S. Paules baptysing in the house of the gayler had bene more fit for hym For vnto hys place it may be easely answeared that Cornelyus hauing so great a family as it is lyke he had and besides that dyuers souldiours vnderneath hym and further hys freendes and hys acquaintance which he had called had a competent number and as many as woulde make a congregation and as coulde commodiously be preached vnto in one place But the answere to both these examples and other suche lyke as that S. Paule baptysed the house of Stephana is easie For there being persecutions at that tyme so that it was not safe neyther for the mynister nor for