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A80400 The old proverbe, as good be a knave, as amongst knaves (though Committee men) is debated, and concluded to be false, by Francis Cooke, and Thomas Gualter, as they were riding between London and Cambridge, and conferring upon this proverb, and many other things usefull for all to know, but more especially for some in authority. In which conference the innocent, and such as have stood for the truth, are made known and commended, and the nocent and such as use deceit and falshood are discovered, and left to bear their deserved shame and punishment. As also the cruel and unreasonable doings of some Committee men, and others, against good men, and such as have been most forward for the Parliament: some of their abuses stript, which deserve to be whipt. Cooke, Francis, of Cambridge?,; Gualter, Thomas. 1646 (1646) Wing C6009; Thomason E316_3; ESTC R200520 22,111 16

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to bring Ia. Whinnel into that office by commending of him to be a fit man for a subcommissioner C. Yea they did so but my brother told them he was exceedingly deceived in him as some others have been he had hoped he had been converted from his former deboist and evill courses but since he hath found he is like the dog turning again to his vomit G. I see nothing yet but your brother being a man so well deserving of the Parliament might be still continued in his office of excise for to deal truly with you I had much ado to refrain my selfe when you told me how he was persecuted by ●ic●Giles and his son Wilson and had such injustice by those Judges and how he stood out to the end would not deny the truth though it cost him 500.l and how since to his cost he hath with stood the illegall tax of sh●p-money hath been at cost and taken pains in removing bad ministers in the place of his aboad and been a means to help good ones in their room been so forward for the Parliament that it cost him above the tenth part of his estate hazarding his own life and his sons for the Parliament and the cause maintained by them hath been a means to preserve the Island where he dwels from being under the power of the enemy the State thereby having the benefit of the excise and yet to be scandalized disgraced and counted as an evil doer made to suffer so much losse in his estate that by men deriving their power from the Parliament and such as would be taken to be for them being so ungratefull to him that hath suffred so much for them I say I cannot but take it to heart and certainly all good men that hear it must needs do so and therefore I would advise you to put this our conference in print that it may be published to vindicate your brother who hath been so publikely disgraced and give to each of the Commissioners and such Committees as it most concerns a little book I cannot think but they will have a good opinion of your brother and shew him all lawfull favour for there is nothing in it that casts the least spot upon the Parliament nor any good men in authority under them C. I thank you Mr. Gaulter for that you give credit to what I have told you and for your good counsell and that you have a fellow feeling of my brothers sufferings for his wel doing but I must tell you my brother was resolved never to have joyned with I. Whinnel any more in the excise office if he might for he hath been a great looser by his meanes since he trusted him and since I. Whinnel was sentenced out of his offices my brother hath not been with the Commissioner for the excise fo● as he sought not for that office at first so hath he not gone about to make friends to continue ●● although for the better taking of all scandall from him he could willingly have joyned with some sufficient honest man But now I hear certainly the commissioners have made choice of others and have much indeavoured to choose honest men yet I conceive if it were published it would be for the benefit of the State and so far from casting the least aspersion upon the Parliament or any Committees of Parliament men or others that are good that it sets forth their deserved praise besides it may be a means to vindicate my brother Scotten nor onely before the Commissioners of the excise but all others that have been deceived by false reports and so repair him in his dammages and lay open the abuses of such men as in some respects are worse then that unrighteous Judge that neither feared God nor reverenced man resembling those ungodly men that are crept in unawares of whom Iude speaketh that they may be brought to their de●erved punishment further it may be usefull to all First to confirm this truth that no bonds of friendship will make wicked men faithfull to godly men therefore try before you trust have good experience of the conversion conversation and faithfulnes of men before you trust them so far that if they prove perfidious they may do you a mischief take heed how ye both reprove a scorner or cast pearles before swine the former will endeavour to work you shame the latter will rend you imbrace that counsel as much as in you lieth have peace with all men but because peace alwaies cannot be for we are exhorted to contend for the faith once given to the saints and there is a what peace c and the wisedome that is from above is first pure then peaceable therefore secondly let every one resolve to do his duty in his place although he be accounted contentious or a busie man for his pains were Nehemiah now living amongst us should do as he did in Ierusalem as you may reade 13. he would certainly be counted a contentious busie man yet he had peace within and could say remember me O my God in mercy in the good that I have done I 'le tell you to Gods praise and glory be it spoken that during all that 12. years and above that my brother was troubled and persecuted for contending for the faith against Vicar Giles that it cost him 500. l. he was not worse in his estate at the end of that time 500. d. finally if God see it good otherwise as to suffer evil men not only to raise and spread false reports of his people but also to spoll depri●● them of many of these outward blessings let us remember what Paul saith Phil. 1.18.19 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries which is to them an evident token of perdition but to you of salvation and that of God for to you it is given not onely to beleeve on him but also to suffer for his sake Observe the words well a suffering condition is a gift as well as faith which God useth to bestow upon his beloved ones to adorn them withall Now Mr. Gualter are welcome to Cambridge G. I thank you Mr. Cook both for your company and for the good satisfaction you have given me concerning your brother get it printed assoon as you can good use may be made of it many waies and if it give not satisfaction to all yet it will to many that fear God have experience of the enmity that is in the seed of the serpent to the seed of the woman FINJS LONDON Printed according to order by Thomas Paine 1645.