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A15130	The defense of the aunsvvere to the Admonition against the replie of T.C. By Iohn VVhitgift Doctor of Diuinitie. In the beginning are added these. 4. tables. 1 Of dangerous doctrines in the replie. 2 Of falsifications and vntruthes. 3 Of matters handled at large. 4 A table generall.	Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.	1574 (1574)	STC 25430; ESTC S122027	1,252,474	846

law change the order which he hath set in raysing vp certayne women partly to the shame of men and to humble them partly to let them vnderstand that he can if he would want their ministerie yet it is not lawfull for vs to draw that into example and to follow it or that for as much as he breaketh the law which is not subiect vnto it and which he made not for himselfe that therefore we may breake the law wherevnto we be subiect and to whome it is giuen But we must go in the broad high way of the commaundement and of the ordinarie vsage of God in gouerning his Church and not in the byepath of certayne singular examples which haue bin in dtuers ages And as often as God hath vsed this extraordinarie meanes of the ministerie of women so often also hath he confirmed their calling eyther by miracle or some wonderfull issue or with some other singular note and marke whereby he hathe made their calling otherwise strange and monstrous most certayne and vndoubted to all men Io. Whitgifte There be other examples also besides these yet these be sufficient to proue any thing that I haue spoken touching this matter he that wel cōsidereth what is written of Mary the Sister of Moyses Num. 12. or of Olda 2. Reg. 22. will not doubte whether they spake openly in the congregation or no but you will not sticke vpon thys poynte And in your seconde aunswere I agrée with you in thys that we must make no generall rule of these particular examples and that women may not presume to preach in the congregation except they be extraordinarily called therevnto and haue certaine and sure signes of their calling And surely I muse what you meane to spend so muche laboure about this matter wherein there is no controuersie I might say vnto you as it hathe pleased you to saye vnto me that you haue some old rusty notes which you would gladly vtter and you know not how otherwise to make marchandise of them than by picking suche a quarell to vtter them Chap. 3. the. 8. Diuision T. C. Pag. 111. Sect. 1. There is a greater difficultie than M. Doctor mentioneth in the words of S. Paule where 1. Cor. II. he sayth a oman praying or prophesing ought to be vayled and haue hir head couered in whyche words it seemeth that the Apostle licenceth a woman to prophesie so that she do it with hir head couered but to him that shall diligently consider the place it shall appeare that the women of Corinth did passe the boundes of modestie and of shamefastnesse two ways whereof one was that they came into the congregation contrary to the custome of those countries with their heads and faces vncouered another was that they also tooke vpon them to speake in the congregation bothe which faults S. Paule condemned but in their seueral and proper places Although therfore speaking against the abuse of vncouering their head he doth not condemne their boldnesse in teaching yet he did not therefore approue it the confutation whereof he reserued to a more commodious place Io. Whitgifte To what ende bring you in this saying of S. Paule I do not remember that I haue at any time vsed it for any proofe and yet you haue obiected more than you can well answer Howbeit bycause it perteineth not to improue any thing that I affirme I will not examine your answer and yet not yours but M. Caluins nor trouble the Reader with friuolous and vayne digressions Chap. 3. the. 9. Diuision Ansvvere to the Admonition Pag. 80. Sect. 2. 3. If women do baptise they baptise in priuate houses not in the congregation Surely you are able to marre a good matter for lacke of skilfull handling T. C. Pag. 111. Sect. 12. But sayth he if women do baptise it is in priuate houses I haue shewed before that they may not baptise at all therefore not in priuate houses besides that that I haue in the Reply vnto the section in the one and twenty page shewed how it is not lawfull neyther to preach the word nor to minister the sacraments in priuate corners Io. Whitgifte I answer to their argumente and go not aboute to confirme the baptising by women I saye thys argumente followeth not Saincte Paule forbiddeth them to speake in the congregation Ergo they may not baptise for they baptise in priuate houses not in publike places and Saincte Paule dothe bid them to speake in priuate places Whatsoeuer yon haue replyed vnto I haue there answered where you haue replyed and it is manifest that both the word may be preached and the sacraments ministred in priuate places vpon iust occasion Chap. 3. the. 10. Diuision T. C. Pag. 111. Sect. 2. 3. 4. For the which matter of not ministring the sacraments in priuate houses to the Authours of the Admonition citing the cleuenth Chapter of the first epistle vnto the Corinthtans M. Doctor answereth that he reproueth the prophanation of the supper by banquetting and contempt of their brethren and exhorteth to tarrie one for another But what is this to the purpose we aske not M. Doctor the interpretation of this place as we do not of all the rest which he interpreteth where there is no occasion in the world to interprete The places be interpreted to shew how farre out of square they be alledged in the Admonitiō them being of themselues very cleare and the interpretation which is brought neuer almost making any thing for the solution of that which is obiected which I desire the Reader to marke throughout his whole booke For what if S. Paule reproue the prophanation of the supper of the Lorde doth it follow therefore that he doth not giue to vnderstand that the sacrament shoulde be administred in a common assemblie What if he exhort to tarrie one for another therefore doth he not dehort from celebrating of the sacrament in a priuate house And surely me thinke you cannot be so ignoraunte as you make your selfe that you shoulde not vnderstand their argumente and therefore I thinke you do rather dissemble it as you do in diuers other places for al men may easily perceiue that as Saint Paule opposeth the supper of the Lord to the cōmon supper his banquet to the common banquet so he opposeth there manifestly the Churche and congregation vnto the priuate house and declareth that as the common supper or banquet ought to be kept at their houses so the Lords supper his banquet ought to be celebrated in the congregation Io. Whitgifte I thinke indéede that M. Doctors interpretations trouble you shrewdly for they detect much of your vanitie and make manifest the lacke of discretion and learning in the authours of the Admonition I say lacke of discretion and learning for otherwise to euidently and so oft to abuse the scriptures were great dishonestie or rather impietie If I haue missed in interpreting or wrōgfully accused them why do not you make it knowne as occasion is