Selected quad for the lemma: woman_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
woman_n	conceive_v	seed_n	womb_n	1,446	5	10.0770	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86506	A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order.	Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678.	1646 (1646)	Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604	209,591	247

t._n that_o if_o it_o be_v so_o manifest_a as_o you_o speak_v you_o shall_v find_v nothing_o in_o eusebius_n for_o infant-baptisme_n nor_o in_o ignatius_n nor_o in_o clemen_n alexandrinus_n nor_o in_o athanasius_n nor_o in_o epiphanius_n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la we_o answer_v 1._o mr._n t._n bring_v but_o one_o place_n out_o of_o one_o origen_n to_o prove_v as_o he_o pretend_v that_o infant-baptisme_n be_v but_o a_o tradition_n we_o bring_v four_o for_o the_o contrary_a justin_n martyr_n irenaeus_n origen_n and_o nazianzen_n and_o yet_o these_o be_v not_o sufficient_a with_o he_o unless_o we_o hear_v ignatius_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n etc._n etc._n say_v so_o too_o 2_o a_o non_fw-la dicto_fw-la and_o non_fw-la factum_fw-la not_o valet_fw-la consequentia_fw-la many_o thing_n have_v be_v do_v in_o the_o church_n which_o those_o author_n may_v not_o mention_v 3_o they_o may_v speak_v of_o infant-baptisme_n in_o some_o of_o their_o work_n which_o long_o since_o be_v lose_v 4_o mr._n t._n say_v that_o you_o shall_v find_v nothing_o in_o eusebius_n ignatius_n etc._n etc._n for_o infant-baptisme_n and_o we_o say_v it_o be_v wonder_v mr._n t._n do_v find_v nothing_o in_o they_o to_o the_o contrary_a in_o his_o 7_o or_o 8_o month_n time_n to_o write_v his_o examen_fw-la which_o we_o not_o have_v much_o above_o 8_o week_n for_o our_o answer_n and_o so_o have_v not_o time_n to_o ransack_v every_o book_n but_o fift_o helvic_n clem._n alexan_n li._n 3._o str●m_fw-la p._n 461._o he_o flourish_v about_o the_o year_n of_o christ_n 193._o buchol_n helvic_n this_o we_o cast_v our_o eye_n upon_o in_o clem._n alexand_n which_o make_v i_o think_v somewhat_o may_v be_v find_v in_o he_o towards_o infant-baptism_n if_o we_o have_v time_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n neither_o do_v god_n divine_a providence_n now_o likewise_o command_v 〈◊〉_d of_o old_a that_o he_o that_o have_v rise_v from_o the_o conjugal_a bed_n shall_v be_v wash_v for_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o necessary_o take_v off_o from_o procreation_n of_o child_n those_o that_o be_v believer_n who_o he_o have_v by_o one_o baptism_n wash_v in_o all_o respect_n according_a to_o his_o wont_a who_o by_o one_o baptism_n comprehend_v all_o the_o baptism_n of_o moses_n therefore_o the_o law_n of_o god_n by_o carnal_a generation_n foretell_v our_o regeneration_n do_v for_o the_o seminal_a faculty_n of_o generation_n hold_v forth_o baptism_n textum_fw-la vide_fw-la graecum_fw-la textum_fw-la not_o loathe_v humane_a generation_n thus_o clem._n alex._n with_o much_o more_o which_o for_o haste_n we_o can_v stand_v to_o translate_v give_v we_o leave_v to_o add_v a_o note_n or_o two_o 1._o let_v i_o observe_v with_o hervet_n aurelianus_n that_o this_o place_n relate_v to_o levit._n 15_o 16_o 17_o 18._o if_o any_o man_n seed_n of_o copulation_n shall_v go_v out_o from_o he_o than_o he_o shall_v wash_v all_o his_o flesh_n in_o water_n and_o be_v unclean_a until_o the_o evening_n and_o every_o garment_n and_o every_o skin_n whereon_o be_v the_o seed_n of_o copulation_n shall_v be_v wash_v with_o water_n and_o be_v unclean_a until_o the_o even_o the_o woman_n also_o with_o who_o the_o man_n shall_v lie_v with_o seed_n of_o copulation_n they_o shall_v both_o bathe_v themselves_o in_o water_n and_o be_v unclean_a until_o the_o even_a this_o be_v the_o law_n and_o these_o be_v the_o baptism_n of_o moses_n of_o which_o clem._n alexandrinus_n speak_v here_o hesychius_n hesychius_n 2._o take_v the_o note_n of_o ancient_a and_o learned_a hesychius_n helvic_n hesychius_n he_o flourish_v about_o 402d_o year_n after_o christ_n helvic_n on_o this_o place_n which_o be_v this_o the_o lord_n himself_o say_v he_o show_v that_o mankind_n must_v have_v the_o necessary_a regeneration_n of_o baptism_n say_v unless_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v again_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n he_o shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n joh._n 3._o the_o untowardnasse_n of_o which_o filth_n in_o we_o be_v transfuse_v from_o adam_n whence_o david_n say_v he_o be_v bear_v in_o iniquity_n and_o conceive_v in_o sin_n psal_n 51._o not_o accuse_v his_o mother_n but_o intimate_v his_o sinfulness_n which_o run_v down_o from_o his_o progenitor_n and_o now_o the_o lawmaker_n command_v he_o out_o of_o who_o proceed_v the_o seed_n of_o copulation_n that_o be_v ●e_z that_o have_v effuse_v his_o seed_n for_o procreation_n of_o child_n yea_o also_o the_o woman_n that_o have_v receive_v it_o to_o wash_v the_o body_n because_o she_o have_v receive_v it_o by_o which_o be_v describe_v this_o whole_a temple_n of_o we_o that_o be_v the_o whole_a man_n consist_v of_o soul_n and_o body_n in_o that_o adam_n be_v make_v filthy_a by_o disobedience_n he_o make_v his_o seed_n to_o be_v filthy_a and_o so_o necessary_o the_o body_n to_o be_v filthy_a which_o be_v of_o the_o seed_n in_o which_o he_o be_v unclean_a until_o the_o even_o that_o be_v the_o end_n of_o the_o time_n wherein_o christ_n come_v show_v the_o water_n whereby_o our_o generation_n shall_v be_v cleanse_v and_o that_o till_o than_o we_o remain_v unclean_a be_v prove_v from_o thence_o that_o they_o also_o that_o have_v not_o yet_o sin_v actual_o that_o be_v be_v in_o their_o tender_a age_n have_v necessary_o the_o seal_n of_o baptism_n lest_o by_o death_n prevent_v they_o die_v unclean_a etc._n etc._n thus_o hesychius_n with_o much_o more_o three_o if_o it_o please_v mr._n t._n he_o may_v read_v gentinus_n hervet●●_n aurelianus_n his_o note_n on_o the_o place_n of_o clem._n alexandrinus_n who_o be_v careful_a to_o set_v forth_o the_o sense_n of_o clemens_n though_o we_o heed_v not_o all_o his_o own_o excursion_n therefore_o clem._n alexandrinus_n say_v gent._n hervet_n anrel_n intimate_v that_o many_o be_v the_o baptism_n of_o moses_n ancient_o which_o be_v figure_n of_o our_o regeneration_n by_o baptism_n by_o which_o original_a sin_n be_v wash_v which_o one_o only_a baptism_n indeed_o be_v necessary_a for_o by_o it_o it_o be_v that_o the_o seed_n be_v no_o more_o unclean_a though_o after_o to_o be_v further_o cleanse_v so_o gent._n herv_z with_o much_o more_o thus_o you_o have_v a_o touch_n out_o of_o one_o of_o mr._n t._n his_o five_o gr._n author_n which_o he_o say_v have_v nothing_o of_o infant-baptisme_n we_o will_v give_v you_o another_o touch_n out_o of_o another_o of_o his_o silent_a author_n as_o mr._n t._n intimate_v and_o so_o dismiss_v the_o rest_n as_o not_o have_v all_o the_o author_n nor_o time_n to_o go_v look_n after_o they_o 52._o epiphanius_n contra_fw-la haeres_fw-la 30._o p._n 52._o epiphanius_n in_o his_o second_o book_n 2._o tom._n contr_n haeres_fw-la speak_v before_o of_o the_o circumcision_n of_o christ_n that_o he_o be_v circumcise_v to_o dissolve_v or_o abrogate_v that_o circumcision_n to_o bring_v in_o a_o great_a and_o that_o the_o circumcision_n enjoin_v abraham_n be_v not_o perfect_a but_o a_o sign_n of_o grace_n give_v and_o for_o the_o instruction_n of_o they_o in_o future_a time_n and_o thence_o wish_v ebion_n not_o to_o imitate_v christ_n in_o circumcision_n of_o himself_o or_o other_o at_o last_o he_o speak_v in_o these_o very_a word_n for_o the_o lord_n say_v epiphanius_n have_v remove_v the_o time_n of_o this_o circumcision_n for_o he_o come_v and_o fulfil_v it_o have_v give_v the_o perfect_a circumcision_n of_o his_o mystery_n and_o that_o not_o in_o one_o member_n only_o but_o in_o the_o whole_a body_n seal_v and_o circumcise_v from_o sin_n and_o save_v not_o one_o only_a part_n of_o the_o people_n that_o be_v man_n only_o but_o also_o all_o the_o people_n of_o christian_n indeed_o sign_v or_o seal_v man_n and_o woman_n and_o liberal_o for_o the_o inheritance_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o not_o in_o exhibit_v the_o seal_n defective_o to_o one_o rank_n or_o state_n virorum_fw-la of_o man_n in_o the_o time_n of_o their_o imbecility_n but_o to_o all_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o epiphanius_n write_v there_o of_o infant-baptisme_n and_o i_o be_o confident_a more_o may_v be_v find_v in_o other_o place_n touch_v it_o have_v we_o time_n to_o seek_v though_o epiphanius_n say_v nothing_o of_o it_o as_o mr._n t._n weak_o object_n in_o lib._n 2._o haeres_fw-la 46._o vel_fw-la 47._o in_o his_o disputation_n for_o infant_n inherit_v heaven_n against_o the_o hieracite_n we_o be_v not_o to_o teach_v other_o learned_a man_n what_o to_o speak_v nor_o when_o to_o speak_v nor_o to_o say_v they_o speak_v not_o at_o all_o of_o such_o a_o point_n if_o they_o do_v not_o speak_v where_o and_o when_o we_o expect_v 2._o mr._n t._n object_n against_o the_o greek_a father_n allege_v by_o we_o 6._o examen_fw-la sect._n 6._o and_o in_o they_o against_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n touch_v infant-baptisme_n thus_o but_o beside_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o question_n to_o baptize_v person_n and_o answer_v

by_o they_o in_o many_o author_n mention_v this_o be_v to_o i_o and_o it_o seem_v to_o hugo_n grotius_n annot_n in_o matth._n 19.14_o no_o small_a evidence_n that_o baptism_n of_o infant_n many_o hundred_o year_n be_v not_o ordinary_a in_o the_o greek_a church_n grotius_n add_v that_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o synod_n of_o neo-caesarea_n in_o the_o year_n 313._o determine_v that_o a_o woman_n with_o child_n may_v be_v baptize_v because_o the_o baptism_n reach_v not_o to_o the_o fruit_n of_o her_o womb_n because_o in_o the_o confession_n make_v in_o baptism_n each_o once_o free_a choice_n be_v show_v we_o answer_v first_o that_o this_o seem_v not_o otherwise_o to_o i_o but_z as_o the_o confession_n of_o sin_n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la and_o profession_n of_o faith_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n by_o they_o that_o at_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o baptism_n be_v baptize_v at_o ripe_a year_n do_v not_o imply_v but_o that_o baptism_n descend_v to_o their_o child_n while_o child_n yea_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o because_o the_o parent_n be_v baptize_v the_o promise_n then_o be_v actual_o instate_v on_o they_o 2._o act_n 2._o the_o promise_n to_o you_o and_o to_o your_o child_n even_o just_a so_o may_v we_o say_v of_o those_o question_n put_v to_o the_o baptize_v and_o answer_v by_o they_o in_o the_o greek_a church_n for_o though_o be_v gentile_n the_o parent_n at_o first_o be_v to_o make_v confession_n as_o a_o token_n of_o their_o conversion_n from_o hethenisme_n before_o their_o baptism_n yet_o this_o do_v not_o in_o the_o least_o argue_v that_o their_o child_n must_v be_v able_a to_o make_v confession_n before_o they_o be_v baptize_v no_o more_o than_o the_o circumcision_n of_o abraham_n and_o the_o stranger_n be_v buy_v with_o money_n when_o they_o be_v believer_n of_o ripe_a year_n do_v infer_v that_o all_o christ_n child_n from_o age_n to_o age_n shall_v not_o be_v circumcise_v till_o they_o be_v so_o too_o 2._o touch_v grotius_n we_o answer_v four_o thing_n 1._o that_o he_o in_o discuss_v the_o point_n on_o matth._n 19.14_o touch_v infant-baptisme_n allege_v diverse_a thing_n to_o show_v that_o some_o in_o the_o greek_a church_n in_o several_a age_n do_v not_o baptize_v their_o infant_n but_o have_v no_o such_o passage_n as_o that_o infant-baptisme_n be_v not_o ordinary_a in_o the_o greek_a church_n 2._o in_o all_o he_o allege_v touch_v this_o he_o say_v not_o to_o the_o contraty_n but_o that_o the_o non-baptizing_a of_o some_o infant_n may_v be_v because_o their_o greek_a parent_n be_v not_o convert_v from_o gentilism_n 3._o for_o that_o neocaesarian_a synod_n another_o synod_n of_o which_o there_o be_v many_o edition_n vary_v one_o from_o another_o the_o cause_n and_o intent_n of_o it_o in_o part_n at_o least_o may_v be_v as_o be_v intimate_v afore_o out_o of_o clem._n alexand._n a_o greek_a who_o flourish_v long_o before_o the_o neocaesarian_a synod_n and_o therefore_o likely_a this_o synod_n will_v have_v respect_n to_o he_o tertul_n he_o and_o to_o tertullian_n of_o the_o same_o time_n with_o clem._n who_o have_v to_o the_o same_o effect_n as_o clem._n tertulli_n lib._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la chap._n 39_o 40._o of_o which_o afore_o chap._n 13._o of_o animad_fw-la vid._n in_o mark_fw-mi tertul_n to_o wit_n that_o though_o by_o the_o baptismal_a wash_n of_o the_o parent_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o promise_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o thou_o and_o thy_o seed_n and_o the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o to_o your_o child_n the_o seed_n of_o that_o parent_n be_v account_v holy_a yet_o so_o as_o not_o to_o anticipate_v and_o prevent_v the_o baptise_v of_o that_o seed_n when_o it_o be_v bear_v 4._o grotius_n himself_o intimated_o confess_v that_o interpreter_n do_v take_v the_o word_n of_o that_o synod_n otherwise_o then_o to_o intend_v against_o infant-baptisme_n 5._o for_o grotius_n his_o own_o opinion_n it_o be_v clear_a and_o full_a for_o infant-baptisme_n upon_o that_o 19_o of_o matth._n ver_fw-la 14._o who_o allege_v and_o assert_n these_o particular_n 1._o that_o it_o be_v grateful_a to_o christ_n that_o little_a child_n shall_v be_v bring_v to_o he_o as_o the_o design_v once_o of_o holiness_n and_o so_o of_o salvation_n according_a to_o tertullia_n expression_n 2._o that_o according_a to_o irenaeus_n christ_n pass_v through_o every_o age_n he_o become_v a_o infant_n to_o sanctify_v infant_n a_o little_a child_n to_o sanctify_v they_o of_o that_o age_n etc._n etc._n 3._o that_o upon_o this_o text_n of_o christ_n receive_v little_a one_o etc._n etc._n among_o other_o ground_n do_v say_v grotius_n lean_v the_o practice_n of_o baptise_v little_o one_o and_o infant_n 4._o that_o in_o augustine_n time_n say_v he_o it_o be_v a_o common_a neceive_v practice_n to_o baptize_v infant_n as_o be_v clear_a by_o this_o that_o when_o the_o pelagian_o hold_v some_o how_o against_o infant-baptisme_n be_v press_v with_o this_o argument_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o church_n in_o baptise_v infant_n they_o dare_v not_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v true_a 5._o that_o by_o hierom_n and_o augustine_n quotation_n of_o cyprian_n epistle_n to_o fidus_n it_o be_v clear_a say_v grotius_n that_o it_o be_v not_o doubt_v in_o cyprian_n time_n whether_o infant_n may_v be_v baptize_v but_o only_o some_o stuck_n at_o this_o whether_o they_o may_v be_v baptize_v afore_o they_o be_v eight_o day_n old_a and_o it_o be_v determine_v in_o a_o council_n then_o whereof_o cyprian_n be_v one_o that_o baptism_n shall_v not_o be_v deny_v to_o infant_n new_o bear_v if_o they_o be_v offer_v thereunto_o 6._o grotius_n say_v that_o in_o a_o ancient_a book_n entitle_v the_o constitution_n of_o clement_n it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n baptise_v your_o infant_n also_o then_o train_v they_o up_o in_o the_o instruction_n and_o nurture_n of_o the_o lord_n 7._o grotius_n have_v quote_v something_n out_o of_o that_o synod_n of_o balsamo_n and_o zonanas_n walafridus_n strabo_n etc._n etc._n that_o in_o many_o age_n all_o infant_n have_v not_o be_v baptize_v he_o conclude_v but_o say_v he_o as_o those_o thing_n hold_v forth_o a_o liberty_n antiquity_n and_o difference_n of_o custom_n so_o they_o bring_v nothing_o to_o prove_v why_o infant-baptisme_n shall_v be_v reject_v when_o their_o parent_n etc._n etc._n offer_v they_o to_o be_v consecrate_v with_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o vow_n of_o pious_a education_n of_o they_o which_o among_o other_o thing_n be_v not_o unfit_o signify_v in_o baptism_n neither_o ought_v that_o to_o be_v any_o hindrance_n to_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n that_o all_o thing_n which_o in_o like_a manner_n be_v signify_v by_o baptism_n can_v agree_v proper_o to_o that_o age_n for_o repentance_n also_o which_o we_o know_v be_v signify_v in_o baptism_n and_o indeed_o have_v a_o great_a place_n in_o they_o that_o have_v long_o live_v a_o most_o impure_a life_n testify_v their_o purpose_n of_o change_v their_o whole_a conversation_n then_o in_o other_o have_v no_o place_n at_o all_o in_o christ_n when_o john_n baptize_v he_o who_o as_o tertullian_n say_v be_v not_o baptize_v as_o any_o debtor_n to_o repentance_n 8._o grotius_n quote_v the_o author_n of_o the_o qu._n ad_fw-la orthodox_n who_o mr._n t._n have_v so_o be-bastarded_n afore_o i_o say_v grotius_n quote_v he_o as_o a_o worthy_a author_n cite_v these_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n infant_n be_v count_v meet_v for_o good_a thing_n by_o baptism_n by_o mean_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o they_o that_o bring_v they_o 9_o in_o that_o christ_n say_v of_o infant_n of_o such_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n that_o christ_n do_v in_o that_o say_v thus_o much_o say_v grotius_n by_o so_o much_o the_o less_o be_v that_o age_n to_o be_v despise_v as_o profane_v by_o how_o much_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n that_o yield_v themselves_o up_o to_o my_o government_n must_v become_v child_n again_o last_o to_o mr._n t._n his_o object_v that_o constantine_n the_o great_a and_o greg._n nazianzen_n be_v not_o baptize_v till_o they_o be_v of_o age_n i_o answer_v 1._o that_o mr._n t._n have_v ill_o urge_v constantine_n a_o latin_a for_o a_o instance_n that_o baptism_n of_o infant_n be_v not_o ordinary_a in_o the_o greek_a church_n 2._o to_o constantine_n and_o gregory_n nazianzen_v baptism_n we_o have_v answer_v afore_o the_o next_o testimony_n be_v of_o ambrose_n ambrose_n ambrose_n who_o flourish_v about_o the_o year_n 381_o helvic_n 381_o helvic_n he_o in_o his_o 2._o book_n of_o abraham_n chap._n 11._o say_v neither_o the_o old_a proselyte_n nor_o the_o infant_n native_a be_v except_v because_o every_o age_n be_v obnoxious_a to_o sin_n and_o therefore_o every_o age_n be_v meet_v for_o the_o sacrament_n for_o unless_o one_o be_v bear_v again_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n he_o can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n

most_o ordinance_n as_o to_o preach_v pray_v sacrament_n fast_v thanksgiving_n yet_o we_o leave_v the_o error_n doubt_v not_o of_o the_o institution_n and_o administration_n of_o those_o ordinance_n according_a thereunto_o 5._o mr_n t._n think_v that_o adult-baptisme_n may_v be_v sever_v from_o to_o use_v his_o own_o word_n 13._o word_n exercitat_fw-la §._o 17._o p._n 29._o l._n 13._o the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n of_o former_a anabaptist_n therefore_o may_v infant_n baptism_n be_v sever_v from_o some_o error_n that_o have_v accompany_v it_o 6._o if_o the_o error_n accompany_v infant-baptisme_n have_v make_v it_o doubtful_a to_o mr_n t._n so_o have_v the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o former_a age_n which_o mr_n t._n have_v confess_v make_v their_o baptism_n doubtful_a to_o we_o mr_n t._n add_v in_o his_o 17._o 17._o exercitat_fw-la §._o 17._o sect_n of_o his_o exercitation_n towards_o the_o close_a of_o his_o 5._o argument_n that_o of_o old_a 1._o other_o invention_n of_o man_n under_o the_o name_n of_o apostolical_a tradition_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 2._o a_o wrong_n like_v of_o judaisme_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 3._o the_o use_v of_o it_o as_o a_o main_a argument_n against_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 4._o the_o mere_a authority_n of_o the_o council_n under_o cyprian_a the_o council_n of_o milevis_n augustine_n and_o jerome_n cause_v or_o attend_v infant-baptisme_n rather_o than_o any_o solid_a argument_n from_o scripture_n to_o the_o 1._o we_o shall_v answer_v in_o mr_n t._n his_o next_o argument_n in_o number_n the_o 6._o which_o be_v touch_v humane_a invention_n 2._o we_o have_v answer_v already_o indiscuss_v of_o the_o aforesaid_a antiquity_n 3._o we_o say_v now_o that_o we_o have_v produce_v sufficient_a proof_n afore_o out_o of_o approve_a antiquity_n that_o the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o infant_n baptism_n be_v common_a in_o the_o church_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n hundred_o of_o year_n before_o pelagianisme_n be_v know_v in_o the_o world_n see_v before_o all_o our_o 13._o chap._n and_o chap._n 14._o from_o the_o begin_n thereof_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o quotation_n of_o ambrose_n p._n 148._o 4._o we_o have_v answer_v afore_o chap._n 14._o last_o mr_n t._n add_v these_o word_n as_o the_o close_a of_o his_o five_o argument_n and_o section_n of_o his_o exercit._n 17._o exercita●_n §._o 17._o so_o in_o this_o last_o age_n say_v he_o some_o modern_a man_n seem_v to_o embrace_v this_o tenet_n of_o infant_n baptism_n out_o of_o horror_n of_o mind_n lest_o they_o shall_v go_v headlong_o into_o the_o pernicious_a error_n of_o former_a anabaptist_n and_o their_o mad_a fury_n or_o 2_o lest_o they_o shall_v seem_v to_o desert_n the_o lead_a man_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n or_o 3_o move_v trouble_n in_o the_o church_n rather_o then_o from_o perspicuous_a foundation_n in_o the_o scripture_n which_o they_o will_v think_v that_o i_o have_v not_o say_v as_o one_o that_o dream_n who_o shall_v read_v what_o robert_n lord_n brooke_n have_v in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o treatise_n concern_v episcopacy_n daniel_n rogers_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o baptism_n and_o other_o elsewhere_o we_o answer_v to_o the_o 1_o particular_a thus_o that_o the_o modern_a man_n can_v be_v just_o abhor_v animadver_n animadver_n for_o their_o horror_n of_o mind_n lest_o they_o shall_v by_o any_o tenet_n fall_v headlong_o into_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n and_o if_o mr_n t._n do_v but_o approve_v his_o own_o seven_o argument_n for_o a_o right_a rule_n viz._n that_o which_o have_v occasion_v many_o error_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a whether_o it_o be_v right_a etc._n etc._n then_o it_o will_v follow_v uncontradict_v by_o mr_n t._n that_o as_o he_o doubt_v of_o infant_n baptism_n because_o of_o error_n that_o have_v follow_v it_o so_o we_o doubt_v of_o adult_n baptism_n according_a to_o the_o tenet_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n because_o of_o the_o pernicious_a error_n and_o mad_a fury_n that_o have_v follow_v it_o chap._n it_o we_o shall_v give_v instance_n anon_o in_o the_o due_a place_n in_o answer_n to_o mr._n t._n his_o 6_o 7.8.9_o argument_n in_o our_o 13._o chap._n to_o the_o second_o particular_a we_o answer_v thus_o that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o convenient_a sudden_o to_o desert_n the_o lead_a man_n of_o reformation_n then_o in_o their_o debate_n before_o they_o have_v declare_v themselves_o and_o we_o mean_v while_o not_o engage_v necessary_o to_o practice_v against_o our_o conscience_n and_o in_o such_o point_n as_o will_v no_o way_n stand_v in_o the_o line_n of_o any_o concord_n so_o much_o as_o negative_o the_o church_n way_n or_o independency_n as_o they_o nick_v name_v it_o differ_v from_o the_o intend_a presbytery_n as_o we_o guess_v ungain_o in_o point_n of_o appeal_v especial_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o it_o which_o may_v breed_v no_o distraction_n in_o case_n particular_a church_n walk_v so_o wise_o as_o not_o to_o need_v appeal_n as_o some_o discreet_a parish_n do_v in_o the_o worset_n time_n of_o episcopal_a court_n rest_v in_o a_o song_n whereby_o to_o sing_v only_o when_o the_o concord_n will_v bear_v it_o and_o rest_n where_o not_o till_o they_o symphonise_v again_o do_v not_o mar_v but_o grace_v the_o harmony_n but_o whether_o anabaptism_n or_o catapaedobaptisme_n deny_v baptism_n to_o believer_n infant_n wherein_o the_o great_a part_n of_o a_o sad_a distract_a kingdom_n be_v interest_v will_v for_o the_o present_a so_o well_o fag_n i_o leave_v to_o mr_n t._n to_o make_v out_o which_o if_o he_o can_v it_o shall_v not_o be_v a_o sorrow_n to_o i_o we_o be_v unwilling_a indeed_o to_o admit_v those_o beleiver_n to_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n that_o will_v not_o some_o how_o intimate_a to_o we_o that_o they_o yield_v to_o a_o relation_n of_o pastor_n and_o flock_n between_o they_o and_o that_o minister_n of_o who_o they_o require_v that_o ordinance_n and_o to_o walk_v with_o we_o submissive_o to_o all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n till_o god_n provide_v better_o for_o they_o that_o we_o may_v know_v how_o they_o live_v as_o well_o as_o when_o they_o receive_v and_o be_v willing_a also_o to_o receive_v christian_a admonition_n where_o they_o live_v amiss_o but_o for_o baptise_v of_o beleiver_n infant_n several_a church_n of_o we_o do_v hold_v that_o we_o may_v baptise_v they_o though_o neither_o of_o those_o parent_n be_v of_o our_o particular_a church_n baptism_n as_o we_o conceive_v be_v but_o a_o admission_n into_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n as_o those_o baptise_a matthew_n the_o 3._o the_o centurion_n act._n 10._o the_o gaoler_n act._n 16_o be_v baptise_a neither_o in_o a_o particular_a christian_a church_n nor_o into_o such_o a_o particular_a church_n to_o the_o three_o particular_a we_o answer_v that_o it_o can_v but_o be_v a_o considerable_a thing_n to_o godly_a and_o wise_a man_n how_o they_o move_v trouble_n in_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o in_o capitulate_v as_o i_o may_v say_v with_o point_n of_o argument_n for_o reformation_n they_o think_v it_o not_o seasonable_a to_o indeavoure_n for_o the_o inward_a hold_n till_o they_o can_v take_v the_o outwork_n reformation_n from_o adam_n fall_n to_o the_o high_a pitch_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n come_v on_o by_o degree_n so_o from_o john_n baptist_n time_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o so_o in_o every_o kingdom_n since_o from_o the_o first_o sit_v down_o of_o religion_n there_o to_o its_o growth_n or_o from_o the_o lapse_n thereof_o to_o its_o restitution_n we_o can_v come_v to_o the_o end_n but_o by_o mean_n and_o it_o can_v but_o be_v dangerous_a in_o a_o unwieldy_a kingdom_n to_o jump_v from_o the_o lesser_a to_o the_o great_a thing_n of_o that_o we_o count_v reformation_n at_o one_o leap_n for_o my_o part_n i_o shall_v desire_v rather_o to_o suspend_v my_o own_o interest_n then_o to_o be_v a_o coadjutor_n to_o further_a a_o general_a dangerous_a distraction_n for_o that_o clause_n that_o infant-baptisme_n have_v be_v hold_v rather_o upon_o the_o say_v three_o particular_n then_o upon_o any_o perspicuous_a ground_n of_o scripture_n we_o anser_fw-la we_o have_v hold_v it_o upon_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o scripture_n if_o our_o animadversion_n may_v be_v count_v worthy_a to_o be_v one_o witness_n but_o if_o mr_n t._n mean_v by_o perspicuous_a any_o thing_n more_o than_o sufficient_a we_o answer_v we_o conceive_v we_o have_v as_o perspicuous_a scripture_n for_o infant-baptisme_n as_o mr_n t._n have_v for_o the_o lord_n day_n and_o for_o woman_n partake_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n to_o master_n