Selected quad for the lemma: woman_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
woman_n	church_n	time_n	wilderness_n	1,494	5	9.8942	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A50525	The apostasy of the latter times in which, according to divine prediction, the world should wonder after the beast the mystery of iniquity should so farre prevaile over the mystery of godlinesse, whorish Babylon over the virgin-Church of Christ, as that the visible glory of the true church should be much clouded the true unstained Christian faith corrupted the purity of true worship polluted, or, The gentiles theology of dæmons i.e. inferiour divine powers, supposed to be mediatours between God and man : revived in the latter times amongst Christians in worshipping of angels, deifying and invocating of saints, adoring and templing of reliques, bowing downe to images, worshipping of crosses, &c : all which together with a true discovery of the nature, originall, progresse, of the great, fatall and solemn apotisy are cleared : delivered in publique some years since upon I Tim. 4. 1,2,3 / by Joseph Mede ...	Mede, Joseph, 1586-1638.; Twisse, William, 1578?-1646.	1641 (1641)	Wing M1590; ESTC R22768	121,369	171

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daemon_n commend_v by_o plato_n quod_fw-la si_fw-la poëta_fw-la hesiodus_n auxiliares_fw-la custodesque_fw-la mortalium_fw-la eos_fw-la vocat_fw-la qui_fw-la sanctè_fw-la olim_fw-la beneque_fw-la vixerunt_fw-la eamque_fw-la huius_fw-la poëtae_fw-la sententiam_fw-la philosophorum_fw-la optimus_fw-la plato_n adeò_fw-la confirmavit_fw-la ut_fw-la eorum_fw-la hominum_fw-la sepulchra_fw-la ●olenda_fw-la esse_fw-la atque_fw-la adoranda_fw-la censuerit_fw-la quid_fw-la ita_fw-la quaeso_fw-la boni_fw-la viri_fw-la i._n e._n graeci_fw-la quae_fw-la ipsi_fw-la facimus_fw-la accusatis_fw-la nos_fw-it etenim_fw-la pari_fw-la modo_fw-la n._n b._n eos_fw-la qui_fw-la illustri_fw-la pielate_fw-la viguerunt_fw-la proque_fw-la eâ_fw-la jugulati_fw-la ac_fw-la caesi_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o auxiliares_fw-la &_o medicos_fw-la nominamus_fw-la at_o non_fw-la daemon_n tamen_fw-la absit_fw-la à_fw-la nobis_fw-la absit_fw-la hic_fw-la furor_fw-la sed_fw-la amicos_fw-la dei_fw-la fidelesque_fw-la seruos_fw-la dicimus_fw-la fuisse_fw-la ibid._n posse_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la animas_fw-la vel_fw-la cum_fw-la extra_fw-la hoc_fw-la corpus_fw-la fuerint_fw-la hominum_fw-la curare_fw-la negotia_fw-la plato_n etiam_fw-la two_o legum_fw-la libro_fw-la affirmat_fw-la verba_fw-la platonis_fw-la citantur_fw-la cum_fw-la itaque_fw-la philosophus_fw-la credendum_fw-la esse_fw-la rumoribus_fw-la censeat_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la sermonibus_fw-la qui_fw-la vulgò_fw-la habentur_fw-la de_fw-la illâ_fw-la animarum_fw-la defunctarum_fw-la curâ_fw-la circa_fw-la homines_fw-la vos_fw-la tamen_fw-la nobis_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la fidei_fw-la nihil_fw-la habetis_fw-la clamantemque_fw-la eventorum_fw-la vocem_fw-la audire_fw-la non_fw-la vultis_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n martyrum_fw-la templa_fw-la conspicua_fw-la quique_fw-la homines_fw-la prosperá_fw-fr valetudine_fw-la sunt_fw-la conservari_fw-la eam_fw-la sibi_fw-la à_fw-la martyribus_fw-la petunt_fw-la qui_fw-la verò_fw-la agritudinem_fw-la aliquam_fw-la patiuntur_fw-la sanitatem_fw-la exposcunt_fw-la insuper_fw-la &_o steriles_fw-la etc._n etc._n item_n qui_fw-fr peregrè_fw-la proficiscuntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n non_fw-la qui_fw-la se_fw-la ad_fw-la deos_fw-la accedere_fw-la arbitrentur_fw-la sed_fw-la qui_fw-la orent_fw-la dei_fw-la martyr_n tanquam_fw-la divinos_fw-la homines_fw-la intercessoresque_fw-la sibi_fw-la eos_fw-la apud_fw-la deum_fw-la advocent_fw-la &_o precentur_fw-la piè_fw-la verò_fw-la &_o fideliter_fw-la precatos_fw-la ●a_n maximè_fw-la consequi_fw-la quae_fw-la desiderant_fw-la testantur_fw-la illa_fw-la quae_fw-la votorum_fw-la rei_fw-la dona_fw-la persolvunt_fw-la manifesta_fw-la nimirum_fw-la sanitatis_fw-la adepti_fw-la iudicia_fw-la nam_fw-la alii_fw-la oculorum_fw-la alii_fw-la manuum_fw-la simulachra_fw-la suspendunt_fw-la exargento_fw-la auroque_fw-la confecta_fw-la paulò_fw-la post_fw-la quid_fw-la quod_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la passim_fw-la dii_fw-la ferebantur_fw-la memoriam_fw-la è_fw-la ment_fw-la hominum_fw-la martyr_n aboleverint_fw-la suos_fw-la mortuos_fw-la dominus_fw-la deus_fw-la noster_fw-la in_o templa_fw-la pro_fw-la diis_fw-la vestris_fw-la i._n e._n daemonibus_fw-la iduxit_fw-la ac_fw-la illos_fw-la quidem_fw-la cassos_fw-la gloriâ_fw-la vanosque_fw-la reddidit_fw-la suis_fw-la autem_fw-la martyribus_fw-la honorem_fw-la illorum_fw-la dedit_fw-la propandiis_fw-la enim_fw-la diasiisque_fw-la &_o dionysiis_fw-la i_o e._n jovis_n liberique_fw-la patris_fw-la solennitatibus_fw-la petro_n paulo_n thomae_n sergio_n aliisque_fw-la sanctis_fw-la martyribus_fw-la solennitates_fw-la epulo_fw-la populari_fw-la peraguntur_fw-la cum_fw-la itaque_fw-la tantam_fw-la utilitatem_fw-la ex_fw-la honore_fw-la martyribus_fw-la collato_fw-la provenire_fw-la homines_fw-la videatis_fw-la fugite_fw-la quaeso_fw-la errorem_fw-la daemonum_n pravioque_fw-la ductu_fw-la martyrum_fw-la facibusque_fw-la utentes_fw-la viam_fw-la capessite_fw-la quae_fw-la ad_fw-la deum_fw-la perducit_fw-la etc._n etc._n now_o judge_v whether_o hitherto_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v be_v fit_o apply_v or_o not_o i_o will_v go_v on_o have_v therefore_o by_o so_o many_o argument_n make_v apparent_a i_o hope_v what_o i_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v i_o desire_v we_o may_v observe_v among_o so_o many_o corruption_n both_o now_o and_o heretofore_o over-whelming_a the_o church_n of_o christ_n what_o it_o be_v wherein_o the_o holy_a ghost_n place_v the_o essence_n and_o count_v as_o the_o very_a soul_n of_o the_o great_a apostasy_n under_o the_o man_n of_o sin_n and_o will_v have_v we_o to_o make_v the_o polestar_n of_o our_o discovery_n thereof_o not_o every_o error_n not_o every_o heresy_n how_o foul_a soever_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d idolatry_n and_o spiritual_a fornication_n as_o for_o other_o heresy_n though_o accompany_v this_o yet_o be_v they_o but_o accidental_a and_o not_o of_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o great_a apostasy_n which_o be_v to_o come_v even_o as_o whore_n be_v 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the_o revelation_n of_o s._n john_n not_o the_o liar_n of_o babylon_n not_o the_o tyrant_n of_o babylon_n not_o the_o heretic_n of_o babylon_n nor_o the_o murderess_n of_o babylon_n but_o the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n yea_o that_o great_a whore_n and_o the_o mother_n of_o fornication_n and_o abomination_n of_o the_o earth_n do_v not_o god_n think_v we_o give_v the_o name_n as_o he_o account_v the_o nature_n or_o be_v there_o any_o one_o will_v deny_v that_o this_o babylon_n be_v that_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n which_o our_o apostle_n so_o call_v as_o be_v in_o opposition_n to_o the_o great_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d mystery_n of_o true_a worship_n and_o religion_n if_o any_o shall_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d mystery_n babylon_n in_o her_o forehead_n will_v help_v to_o reclaim_v he_o and_o what_o whore_n be_v that_o with_o who_o the_o king_n and_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n of_o the_o earth_n commit_v fornication_n can_v it_o be_v any_o other_o but_o a_o spiritual_a whore_n 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