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A42313 The noveltie of poperie discovered and chieflie proven by Romanists out of themselves / by William Guild ... Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1656 (1656) Wing G2209; ESTC R42060 50,925 169

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it is most evident that GOD is to bee prayed vnto sayeth hee yea GOD onelie as the authour of all good giftes 11. Wee say that after this ly●e t●ere is Heaven prepared for the godlie who die in the LORD and Hell fo the wicked who die not in the LORD Bell. l. 1. de Purg. c. 12. §. resp ad li●eram and so sayeth BELLARMINE Calling the South whereinto the tree is sayde to fall in ECCLESIASTES H●aven and by the North that Hell is vnderstood 12. Last of all in a word wee belieue the holie Trinitie and whole Articles of the Creede which contayne the whole summe of the Christian fayth so that heere by the Antiquitie of our doctrine and Religion and in all the fore-named positiue poynts thereof may bee clea●lie seene beside which what-so-ever doctrines of fayth since haue beene vented and invented in Pope●ie as the l●tter supersemination of Tares is branded with that Apostolicall Anathema and is to bee rejected Therefore for our part wee say with Vincentius Lyrinensis Let that vessell of election to wit PAVLL crye and that teacher of the Nations and that trumpet of the Apostles that preacher of the World and who had knowledge of the verie Heavens Let him I say crye and crye over and over agayne and vnto all men and ever and everie where let him by his letters proclayme If anie man shall teach anie doctrine of fayth which is new let him bee accursed AN ANSWERE Then 1. to that vsuall and customable Question Whereby the Romanistes aske vs where was our Religion before Luther HAving therefore ininstanced the positiue poynts of our doctrine which are the verie foundamentall poyntes of Christian Religion helde ever and mayntayned as truethes in the verie bosome of the Romane Church even vnto this day as is cleare by their former confessions wee see how easie it is to answere to their vulgar question whereby they aske where was our Religion before Luther Indeede as that woman descrybed in the REVELATION Thorow the furie and crueltie of that red Dragon was driven for a●a●time into the Wildernesse which the R●emistes themselues expone to bee the true Churches lurking for a season in time of persecution so this hath beene the condition of the professoures of the trueth sundrie tymes to bee brought to a verie few number and by persecution made lyke-wyse to lurke in the tyme of errou●es p●evayling Hier● dialogadv● which wee may see clearlie in that tyme whereof S. IEROME speaketh when the whole world groaned Luciferianos Athanasius ad so litariā vitam agētes and wondred that it was turned Arrian and of which tyme Athanasius thus complaineth What Church now doeth freelie worship sayeth hee seeing if it bee holie and true it lyeth vnder manie dangers and if there bee in anie place faythfull servantes of CHRIST as there bee yet they are hid Stapleton l. 2. princip. do●ctrina lium c 18. Pererius in Dan. l 15. in 〈◊〉 veniet tēpus Abbas in Revel. ● 2. lyke that great Prophet ELIAS So that the profession of the Orthodoxe fayth sayeth Stapleton was then but with a few and those lyke-wyse living in exyle As also the verie Romanistes themselues giue vs to vnderstand that the same shall bee the estate of the true Church in the time of their pretended Antichrist to wit that then the true worship sayeth their Iesuit Pereriu● shall bee onelie in private and the whole Congregation of of the godlie shall bee hid sayth Ioachim Abbas For so shall the Elect bee wyse vnto themselues that they shall not presume to practise openlie because that darknesse shall prevayle and as the Rhemistes affirme Rhem annot in 2. Thess. 2. 3. The externall ●ate of the Romane Church and publicke intercourse of the sayth●ull with it is lyke to ceasse and the communion of Christians with the fame shall bee onelie in heart say they and their worship in private There●ore what was the estate of true Religion and the pro●essoures thereof in the time of Arrianisme prevayling or to bee ●n the tyme of their pretended Antichrists prevayling it were ●ot absurde for vs to say that the ●ame was the estate of true Religion and professoures thereof in the tyme of the prevayling of Poperie which wee count Antithristianisme But yet to come nearer them in answering to this question wee say that as it is easie to answere fit were asked in lyke-manner Where were GOD'S people before they came out of BABELL Revel 18. 4● by replying thus that they were even in BABELL it selfe even so our Religion which consisteth in the mayne positiue poyntes forenamed and wherein wee agree the same was in the bosome of the Romane Church it selfe as hath beene showne helde by the Doctoures thereof and preached and preserved by them in the verie tyme of erroures greatest prevayling the same beeing in their mouthes as the vncorrupted text of the Law and sound doctrine of the Iewish religion in manie thinges conforme thereto was in the mouthes of the Scrybes and Pharisees who in that respect were sayde to sit in Moses Chayre and the people were commanded by our SAVIOVR to heare them But in so farre as those Pharisees lyke the Romanistes joyned their owne traditions to the Law of GOD teaching them for doctrines and put false Glosses vpon the Law it selfe in that respect our SAVIOVR declared ●●em to be blinde guydes and wil●●d all men to beware of the leaven ●f their false doctrine Agayne if they aske in these ●oyntes wheerein wee disagree ●nd oppose them where was our ●eligion before Luther wee an●were that the same was pro●●ssed taught and mayntayned ●y the Romane Church her selfe ● her purer integritie and by the ●●ncient Fathers both in the ●reeke and Latine Church and ●anie of their owne latter Do●oures who lived manie hun●reth yeares long before Lu●●er The particular places are noted and the words set down after as 1. That the Bookes of APORYPHA are not Canoni●k●●cripture not onelie doeth Atha●asius Hilarie Ruffinus and ●amascen declare b●t also S. ●rome and with him Lyra telleth ●s That the whole Church in ●hose tymes helde so long before ●uther 2. That all doctrines of fayth ●nd manners necessarie to salvation are contayned in Scripture the particular poynts of doctrine handled orderlie as they lye in the first part of this Treatise and in the witnes sing of Antiquitie subj●yned in everie poynt to the without vnwritten traditions Athanasius and Augustine with dyverse others haue taught long before Luther 3. That the Scripture is plaine in all thinges necessarie to salvation and therefore should bee read by the people and nowayes with-holden from them Augustine Chrysostome Theodoret with sundrie others mayntayned this long before Luther 4. That the true Church or number of Orthodox professours hath beene redacted sometymes to a verie few who haue beene made to lurke for a tyme because of cruell persecution S. Ierome Ambrose and Athanasius haue demonstrate long before