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A86599 An antidote against Hen. Haggar's poysonous pamphlet, entitled, The foundation of the font discovered: or, A reply wherein his audaciousness in perverting holy scriptures and humane writings is discovered, his sophistry in arguing against infant-baptism, discipleship, church membership &c. is detected, his contradictions demonstrated; his cavils agains M. Cook, M. Baxter, and M. Hall answered, his raylings rebuked, and his folly manifested. By Aylmar Houghton minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and teacher to the congregation of Prees, in the county of Salop. Houghton, Aylmer. 1658 (1658) Wing H2917; Thomason E961_1; ESTC R207689 240,876 351

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in_o scripture_n for_o do_v you_o not_o put_v man_n to_o believe_v that_o infant_n be_v neither_o disciple_n nor_o church-member_n nor_o in_o covenant_n etc._n etc._n that_o they_o die_v in_o their_o infancy_n be_v save_v by_o christ_n death_n without_o actual_a faith_n pag._n 61._o and_o have_v you_o not_o right_o prove_v pray_v in_o a_o man_n family_n give_v thanks_o at_o meal_n woman_n receive_n the_o lord_n supper_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v duty_n yet_o none_o of_o the_o foresay_a particular_n be_v express_o write_v in_o scripture_n and_o will_v you_o have_v they_o do_v but_o not_o in_o faith_n sect_n 53._o h._n h._n herein_o lie_v the_o depth_n of_o all_o deceit_n viz._n because_o christ_n expound_v the_o scripture_n of_o the_o prophet_n therefore_o man_n will_v take_v in_o hand_n to_o expound_v his_o exposition_n q._n we_o can_v make_v they_o plain_o than_o he_o have_v leave_v they_o or_o make_v any_o thing_n true_a that_o be_v not_o write_v in_o they_o and_o because_o philip_n 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you_o all_o along_o to_o expound_v the_o exposition_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n do_v not_o you_o make_v their_o saying_n plain_a than_o they_o have_v leave_v they_o but_o i_o cry_v you_o mercy_n you_o make_v they_o appear_v otherwise_o then_o they_o be_v write_v sect_n 54._o h._n h._n for_o the_o plain_a manifestation_n of_o the_o truth_n i_o desire_v all_o impartial_a man_n to_o consider_v these_o follow_a thing_n 1._o if_o i_o will_v prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o god_n create_v heaven_n and_o earth_n i_o must_v bring_v a_o scripture_n that_o speak_v so_o as_o gen._n 1.1_o 2_o or_o that_o god_n create_v man_n upright_o eccles_n 7.29_o or_o 3_o that_o all_o man_n since_o adam_n fall_n be_v sinner_n rom._n 3.23_o or_o 4_o that_o god_n send_v his_o son_n to_o redeem_v those_o sinner_n 1_o tim._n 1.15_o &_o chap._n 2.6_o or_o 5_o that_o the_o dead_a shall_v rise_v mar._n 12._o ver_fw-la 25_o 26_o etc._n etc._n reply_v 1_o what_o need_v this_o vain_a repetition_n your_o first_o instance_n have_v be_v answer_v before_o in_o your_o p._n 40._o and_o your_o last_o in_o p._n 48._o 2._o the_o other_o scripture_n do_v not_o say_v in_o express_a term_n what_o yet_o you_o true_o affirm_v you_o swerve_v from_o your_o own_o pattern_n let_v the_o reader_n view_v your_o quotation_n and_o compare_v they_o with_o your_o expression_n 3._o what_o blindness_n and_o blockishness_n be_v here_o if_o you_o will_v prove_v that_o man_n must_v give_v thanks_o at_o meal_n pray_v in_o and_o with_o their_o family_n that_o woman_n be_v to_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n bring_v some_o scripture_n that_o speak_v so_o but_o you_o can_v in_o express_v term_n though_o you_o do_v it_o by_o consequence_n p._n 12_o 13_o 14._o so_o do_v we_o for_o infant-baptism_n sect_n 55._o h._n h._n p._n 50._o to_o conclude_v if_o i_o will_v prove_v that_o man_n and_o woman_n shall_v be_v baptize_v when_o they_o believe_v i_o must_v bring_v a_o scripture_n that_o say_v so_o as_o act_n 8.12_o 37._o and_o 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be_v clear_o bring_v or_o rather_o if_o you_o be_v impartial_a you_o shall_v have_v justify_v your_o own_o practice_n by_o express_a scripture_n without_o consequence_n before_o you_o have_v urge_v we_o thereto_o for_o 2_o where_o be_v it_o express_v in_o scripture_n that_o you_o be_v appoint_v to_o go_v up_o and_o down_o in_o several_a part_n of_o england_n and_o to_o draw_v people_n be_v christian_n by_o profession_n and_o bring_v up_o from_o their_o childhood_n in_o that_o religion_n wherein_o to_o they_o be_v baptize_v in_o infancy_n to_o renounce_v their_o infant-baptism_n and_o to_o be_v dip_v in_o such_o a_o pit_n or_o pool_n etc._n etc._n before_o such_o a_o company_n whether_o naked_a or_o cover_v with_o such_o a_o form_n of_o english_a word_n
charge_v with_o those_o actual_a sin_n or_o else_o not_o be_v own_v church-member_n nay_o it_o be_v plain_a they_o be_v church-member_n deut._n 29.10_o 12_o 13._o now_o these_o convert_a ephesian_n be_v incorporate_v into_o the_o same_o body_n and_o partaker_n of_o the_o same_o privilege_n for_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n eph._n 2.19.20_o rom._n 11.17_o 5._o as_o jew_n and_o gentile_n of_o ripe_a yea●●_n in_o regard_n of_o original_a sin_n and_o the_o fruit_n thereof_o need_v christ_n the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o church-membership_a to_o save_v they_o from_o the_o dominion_n and_o damnation_n of_o sin_n so_o infant_n who_o a_o e_z under_o original_a sin_n as_o you_o acknowledge_v and_o which_o be_v all_o sin_n radical_o virtual_o eminent_o no_o less_o need_v christ_n the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o church-membership_a be_v the_o only_o reveal_v way_n of_o communicate_v christ_n and_o his_o merit_n to_o save_v sinner_n from_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n dominion_n of_o sin_n and_o eternal_a damnation_n sect_n 12._o h._n h._n pag._n 69._o my_o nine_o argument_n be_v from_o 1_o thes_n 5._o ver_fw-la 2_o 4_o 5._o reply_n to_o make_v the_o best_a of_o your_o argument_n it_o be_v thus_o all_o church-member_n be_v child_n of_o the_o light_n and_o know_v that_o the_o day_n of_o the_o lord_n come_v as_o a_o thief_n etc._n etc._n but_o infant_n be_v not_o child_n of_o the_o light_n nor_o know_v etc._n etc._n 1._o the_o same_o answer_n may_v here_o serve_v since_o the_o fallacy_n be_v the_o same_o but_o 2._o if_o a_o man_n shall_v argue_v that_o john_n baptize_v infant_n because_o it_o be_v say_v mat._n 3.5_o 6._o all_o judea_n and_o all_o the_o region_n round_o about_o and_o infant_n may_v be_v say_v to_o go_v out_o too_o though_o carry_v in_o their_o parent_n arm_n exod._n 10.9_o 10_o 24._o &_o 12.37_o go_v out_o and_o be_v baptize_v of_o he_o you_o will_v not_o well_o resent_v it_o for_o it_o will_v spoil_v your_o cause_n and_o yet_o the_o conclusion_n 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church-member_n know_v perfect_o etc._n etc._n ver_fw-la 2._o this_o you_o prove_v not_o all_o sect_n 12._o h._n h._n ten_o argument_n from_o 1_o thes_n 2.11_o if_o paul_n do_v exhort_v and_o charge_v every_o one_o of_o the_o church_n to_o do_v these_o thing_n than_o there_o be_v no_o infant_n for_o they_o be_v not_o capable_a of_o exhortation_n consolation_n etc._n etc._n ver_fw-la 11._o therefore_o reply_v this_o i_o confess_v have_v some_o form_n of_o a_o syllogism_n viz._n hypothetical_n though_o for_o brevity_n it_o may_v have_v be_v categorical_a to_o which_o i_o say_v 1._o the_o major_n be_v grant_v if_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o immediate_a present_a exhortation_n to_o every_o particular_a member_n of_o that_o church_n without_o exception_n but_o then_o your_o assumption_n or_o minor_n be_v deny_v though_o you_o think_v it_o guard_v with_o scripture_n for_o it_o be_v not_o say_v we_o exhort_v every_o particular_a church-member_n but_o you_o i._n e._n to_o those_o grow_a 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as_o pitiful_a not_o to_o deny_v to_o they_o church-membership_a though_o they_o can_v perform_v all_o the_o act_n of_o a_o church-member_n no_o more_o than_o the_o circumcise_a infant_n of_o the_o jew_n can_v 3._o yet_o again_o to_o your_o major_n though_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o speak_v or_o write_v direct_o or_o immediate_o to_o infant_n yet_o mediate_o and_o indirect_o he_o do_v in_o speak_v and_o write_v to_o their_o parent_n who_o be_v to_o lay_v hold_n on_o the_o promise_n etc._n etc._n for_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n and_o be_v instruct_v in_o their_o duty_n be_v to_o teach_v their_o child_n when_o capable_a gen._n 18.19_o deut._n 6.7_o 2_o tim._n 3.15_o ephes_n 6.4_o if_o in_o this_o sense_n paul_n teach_v be_v take_v as_o there_o be_v no_o just_a reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a then_o the_o consequence_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v true_a that_o the_o opposite_a conclusion_n must_v needs_o be_v true_a sect_n 13._o h._n h._n p._n 70._o eleven_o argument_n from_o 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by_o a_o voice_n from_o heaven_n 5._o for_o your_o confession_n etc._n etc._n it_o have_v be_v more_o ingenuity_n to_o have_v confess_v your_o own_o error_n with_o which_o your_o book_n be_v stuff_v as_o may_v appear_v by_o this_o reply_n or_o your_o impudence_n with_o a_o witness_n in_o deny_v that_o which_o you_o can_v but_o know_v to_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o more_o than_o a_o 1000_o year_n 3._o see_v your_o p._n 3._o or_o your_o uncharitableness_n in_o disow_v they_o for_o the_o church_n of_o god_n who_o have_v own_a infant-baptism_n what_o your_o custom_n be_v i_o matter_n not_o you_o shall_v be_v none_o of_o my_o precedent_n though_o god_n may_v make_v you_o a_o example_n and_o then_o i_o shall_v remember_v you_o as_o i_o do_v 17.32_o do_v luk_n 17.32_o lot_n wife_n sect_n 8._o h._n h._n p._n 91._o but_o to_o retort_v m._n baxter_n argument_n this_o doctrine_n of_o m._n baxter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o priest_n of_o england_n viz._n that_o 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the_o miserere_fw-la for_o you_o vent_v your_o excrement_n at_o your_o mouth_n 2._o yet_o i_o see_v a_o excellent_a fragment_n of_o charity_n like_o pilate_n justice_n first_o to_o condemn_v m._n b._n as_o a_o child_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o then_o refer_v he_o to_o his_o master_n but_o it_o be_v well_o that_o there_o lie_v a_o appeal_n from_o mr._n hag._n to_o the_o lord_n recurre●_n lord_n naturam_fw-la expellas_fw-la furca_fw-la licet_fw-la usque_fw-la recurre●_n though_o you_o can_v leave_v your_o old_a humour_n you_o must_v revile_v he_o before_o you_o leave_v he_o let_v we_o now_o hear_v your_o answer_n sect_n 12._o h._n h._n page_n 94.1_o if_o it_o be_v the_o only_a way_n for_o covetous_a landlord_n and_o physician_n as_o he_o say_v then_o if_o the_o devil_n have_v not_o put_v it_o into_o your_o head_n before_o yet_o m._n b._n like_o a_o diligent_a servant_n have_v do_v it_o now_o reply_v 1_o what_o a_o foolish_a inference_n be_v this_o be_v mr._n baxter_n a_o servant_n of_o the_o devil_n because_o he_o discover_v practice_n of_o his_o factor_n do_v 8.10_o do_v 1_o sam._n 8.10_o samuel_n prompt_v saul_n to_o a_o tyranny_n because_o he_o paint_v out_o the_o oppression_n of_o a_o arbitray_n government_n be_v elisha_n a_o servant_n of_o the_o devil_n when_o he_o foretell_v 8.12_o foretell_v 1_o king_n 8.12_o hazaell_v cruelty_n or_o be_v our_o saviour_n a_o diligent_a servant_n 〈◊〉_d satan_n matth._n 26.21_o 23._o when_o he_o say_v to_o his_o disciple_n one_o of_o you_o shall_v betray_v i_o and_o he_o that_o dip_v etc._n etc._n ●●●rely_o christ_n do_v not_o put_v it_o into_o his_o head_n but_o satan_n put_v 〈◊〉_d into_o his_o heart_n be_v paul_n and_o peter_n and_o judas_n such_o servant_n as_o to_o put_v it_o into_o m._n haggar_v head_n 2_o tim._n 3.6_o to_o creep_v into_o house_n and_o lead_v captive_a silly_a woman_n etc._n etc._n 2_o pet._n 2.3.10_o to_o make_v merchandise_n of_o soul_n judas_n 8._o to_o speak_v evil_a of_o dignity_n and_o many_o more_o 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