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A89189	A sober ansvvere to an angry pamphlet, or, Animadversions, by way of reply, to Robert Barclays late book (entituled, Truth cleared of calumnies) in answere to A dialogue between a Quaker and a stable Christian by VVilliam Mitchell.	Mitchell, William, 17th cent.	1671 (1671)	Wing M2294; ESTC R43708	69,116	149

wicked is common but in the Godly is saving and so Christ is in the one as to a common but in the other in respect of a saving operation of light Now when he saith that Christ is in all men if his meaning be that as God he is in all men then we do not control him for thus Christ is every where If his meaning be that as man he is in all men then the Scripture controls him which holdeth forth his Man-hood must continue in Heaven untill the time of the restitution of all things If his meaning be that Christ is in all men to enlighten them that they may believe then his proof is not sufficient which is Ioh. 1.9 compared with 7. for this seventh verse speaketh expresly of Iohn the Baptist the fore-runner of Christ as is evident by looking back to the preceeding verse There was a man sent from God whose name was John the same came for a witness to bear witness of the light that all men through him might believe Here the Evangelist holdeth forth Iohns calling and the end of it which was to bear testimony concerning Christ This was the special scop of Iohns Ministry to point out Christ in his excellencies and usefulness to lost men and to whom the offer of Christ comes in the Ministry of the word they are called upon to believe in Christ none being excluded SECT V. There is a Consistency between Mans Lapsed State and the Remainders of the IMAGE of GOD in him He asketh how it is consistent to affirme that some remainders of knowledge and principles of good remaine in man after the ruins of Gods Image in him with what we say to wit that there is no good thing at all in men unconverted and that man fell wholly from God as to all things that are good Ans Who of us do say so without adding any limitation And yet there is no inconsistency between these things even as set down by you if rightly understood for though men unconverted have not any saving good yet it followeth not ergo they are destitute of all good The unconverted have precious Souls in them which are of great excellency and worth and there still remains in them some similitude of GOD their Souls being Spiritual and Immortal It is true man by the fall was bereaved of saving graces in so much that true holiness and saving knowlegde he hath not yet he is not denuded of all knowledge In him there are certaine notions concerning good and evil which though they cannot direct to Salvation and Eternal happiness yet if we live not up to them they serve to leave us unexcusable Now it may be demanded whether it be inconsistent to say that a City is wholly demolished whereas there is some rubbish and some foundations of houses still remaining If this be not inconsistent why should it be thought an inconsistency To say that though men be fallen off from GOD yet he retains some fragments and Relicts of the Image of GOD As in very deed he doth for the Image of GOD is the conformity of the creature to the Creatour and the Soul of man is conformable to GOD in its nature as it is a Spiritual and Immortal Substance Likewise man hath not lost all his dominion over the creatures And it is to be observed that though there be light in the consciences of men that are corrupt yet this light is not the corruption of the conscience but it is derived from Christ and cometh from him as a bountiful Creatour and in this respect the light of knowledge reason and understanding that is in man since the fall may be called the light of Jesus Christ for he is that true light that thus enlighneth every man that cometh into the world V. HEAD Concerning the Scriptures SECT I. Shewing how the Quakers vilify the Scriptures Look to page 24.25 And we may easily perceive the Quakers dis-esteeme of the Scriptures though in speaking to people they would beare them in hand to the contrary For 1. They grant that they meet not to read the Scriptures but to waite on the Lord and they meet to worship GOD whose worship is to be performed in Spirit and in Truth and not in External Reading Now do not these mens endeavours tend to disgrace the Scriptures in that they make an opposition between reading the Scriptures and waiting on GOD and Spiritual worshipping of him as if the Lord could not be waited on in the use of reading his Word Was not the Eunuch in the duty of waiting when sitting in his chariot he read the Prophet Isaias This work was so well pleasing to GOD that the Lord encouraged him in it helping him to understand what before he knew not Act. 8.28 Did not the Saints under the Old Testament worship GOD in Spirit and in Truth Surely the Lord required of them sincere Spirit worship which they performed lifting up their Souls to GOD and did not satisfy themselves with the bare outside and carcase of duty Lament 3.41 And yet they were not enemies to external Reading of the Scriptures Act 15.21 Moses of old time hath in every City them that Preacht him being Read in the Synagogue every Sabbath-day And although Reading the Scriptures was a duty done under the Law it doth not cease to be a duty under the Gospel because it is no where repealed but on the contrary as it was commanded in the Old Testament so it is confirmed in the New this being a special means of having the Word of GOD to dwel richly in us Coloss 3.16 It is most agreeable to the Scriptures for a Minister to take the Bible and read a part of it opening and applying it see Nehem. 8.5.8 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people so they read in the book of the Law of GOD distinctly and gave the sense and caused them to understand the reading Christ himself took a text and applyed it Luke 4.18.21 And albeit Christ did this in the synagogue Quid inde What then did he not likewise Preach in the synagogue And yet Preaching continues to be the Ministers duty 2. Tim. 4.2 As for that Scripture 1. Cor. 14.29.30.31 it conduceth nothing to keep up the successive talking of Quakers For the Prophesying here mentioned was the act of Prophets and it is restrained to them all the Prophets who prophesie Now the Gentle-man will have much ado to prove all his brethren who at their meetings take upon them to Preach or rather to use his owne terme prate one after another to be Prophets especially to prove their women preachers to be in the number of them for their preaching is expresly prohibited verses 34.35 Let your women keep silence in the Church for it is not permitted unto them to speake it is a shame for women to speake in the Church Neither doth the afore-cited Scripture make any thing against our way for Ministers amongst us sometimes speak two or three

their spiritual descent from Christ upon as sure grounds if not surer grounds then any Quaker are smothering and resisting the Light because forsooth they will not dance after your pipe Fourthly Shew forth less folly It would be your wisdom to be well acquainted with your own hearts and not to pretend so much to the knowledge of other mens hearts when as it may be ye know not their names Fifthly Shew forth less contrariety in your doctrines to the good and holy word of GOD. Set not your selves against the ordinances of Christ and Iustification by his imputed Righteousness Sixthly Shew forth less ignorance as to the nature of true Conversion crying out against formes and wearing of ribbands speaking thou and thee and keeping on the hatt condemning all that are not of your gang saying ye were never well till now which is a great part of the Religion of many of your Proselytes will never prove you nor them to be true Converts Seventhly Shew forth less endeavours for promoting the Popish interest if ye were under their hire ye could not advance their interest more then by decrying our Ministry and Churches when once ye have perswaded people to the belief of this then they are fit matter for Priests to work upon and they cannot but thank you for doing their work to their hands Sir if you listen not to my advice yet I have followed my Light in tendering it unto you Sir in the close of your preface you fall foule upon the Authour of the Dialogue as having deceitfully misrepresented the Quakers which is a crime he is not sensible of for his designe in the Dialogue was not to tell the world all the Scriptures which the Quakers abuse but onely to give a true information of the grossest of their opinions and briefly to answere some of their arguments and to lay down Scripture grounds for instructing the ignorant and confirming the weak in the truth which He was in some capacity to do having exchanged several papers with Quakers and would have continued in replying to their papers but that he was told it would prove no better then according to the proverb lis Ptolemaica that is a long and constant strief Quakers as he heard being like some froward and scolding women who will be sure to have the last word and indeed after this he is resolved to let Mr. Barclay have it Some are of opinion that Quakers are of their nature who are best appeased by neglect and soonest quieted by silence and yet a total neglect of them though they be contemptible in the eyes of many may make them formidable Sir It is altogether unnecessary to be at paines in ripping up your wild comparisons it were easie to be sharp in reflections but these things can neither commend to GOD nor good men and therefore desiring you and your brethren would allow some time for reading this my Answer which was in readiness diverse moneths ago but a convenient opportunity was wanting to publish it till now I take my leave wishing the LORD the great and Mighty GOD to extend his Power and Mercy for your recovery and that he would reclaime you according to the working whereby he is able to subdue all to himself Philipp 3● 21. W. M. The Epistle to the Reader Christian Reader IF a person who really affects retirement hath adventured thus to appear in publick when hereby he brings himself under the lash of the censures of many which otherwise he might escape his plea is that Truth even the least graine of truth is so choice and precious that it calls to the denyal of these things which would stand in the way and hinder an undertaking of the defence of it If it be said that an abler hand had been meeter for a work of this importance the Authours apology is that what is done needs be no impediment to others but rather a provocation of them to appeare for the interest of truth which is so much trampled upon in the meane time let none find fault with the Authour for doing that which in other cases passeth for good service when a house is on fire he that brings water to quench it though it may be he contribute but a little help yet he is not blamed but encouraged Now the flame of errour has more danger in it then a flame of fire and therefore an endeavour to quench it cannot be justly censured In case the Author be twitted with this that he has done nothing but what was done before his answere is that if the adversaries of truth have been at paine● to pluck out of the dunghill of Heresie old errours and to send them abroad in a new dress then the authour should not be quarrelled with for making use of these weapons by which heretofore good old truths have been defended And he further saith that Popery from the mouth of a Quaker will be swallowed downe by some as glorious discoveries who yet would not listen to a Popish Priest speaking the same things And therefore the Authour thinks that it may be good service to well meaning people to take off the Quakers arguments by the same answeres which PROESTANTS have used against Papists that so it may appear that Quakers and Papists are sailing in one boat though their faces look several wayes but not willing to detaine the Reader any longer from perusing the following Treatise which that it may be blessed for reducing the mislead and establishing those that yet stand is and shal be the earnest desire of him who is Thy Servant for Christs sake William Mitchell GOOD READER Be pleased to do Me that favour as to correct with thy pen these following mistakes Page 16. line 20 read incolis p. 27. l. 15. r. have not alwayes many p. 52. l. 4. r. which is said to be more p. 53. l. 1. r. causa infirma Epist p. 1 l. 1. r. reproach for reroach p. 16. l. 20. r. it s rightly translated p. 54. l. 17. r. Now in that he saith p. 94. l. 23. r. repeale Reader there are diverse othter literal escapes but seeing they do not obscure the sense it s expected thou wilt in charity cover them If any thing in the book seeme dark I desire thou wouldst look into the Dialogue to which the book hath reference and by that means thou mayest get some clearness Some ANIMADVERTIONS By way of Reply to a Book ENTITVLED TRUTH CLEARED OF CALUMNIES I. HEAD Wherein the Lawfulness of Salutations is justified SECT I. Concerning Salutations by Gestures THE AUTHOUR HAving after the Quaker-rate saluted me with Reproaches then page 10. 11. he telleth us that Quakers dearly owne Salutations warranted by the Scriptures such as Christ commanded and the Saints practised but the salutations that are amongst us he calleth corrupt and Idolatrous and instanceth in bowing the Body and uncovering the head The reason alleadged to prove this to be Idolatry is because these things are the signification of our worship

and the spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets The Quakers themselves have not many speakers for at times they sit dumbe as if silence could promote their mutual edification Was this the Churches way Or the custome of the Apostles and primitive Christians Certainly this hemlock or invention hath sprung up since their late apostacy from the Truth Secondly They will not have the Scriptures called their Masters letter no forsooth their Masters letter is written in their hearts and there they are to find it neither is their Master seperated from them as those who use to write letters to servants to set them on work But is not Christ as much seperate from Quakers as from the seven Churches of Asia Or was he not as near those Famous Churches as them And yet they had letters sent to them from their great LORD and Master to direct them in their duty Revel 1.11 I am Alpha and Omega and what thou seest write in a book and send it unto the seven Churches which are in Asia Now will ye observe how much these persons bend their strength to evacuate the authority of the Scriptures For they say GOD requires us to do all our work by immediat counsel and direction as if by the outward command contained in the Scriptures GOD did not require any work of them yea they will not allow the Scripture precepts the name of Commands but call them the outward testimony and signification of the Command which as they say they regaird in its place that is onely when they have an inward command and so while this inward command is wanting through their neligence in waiting all that time the Scripture loseth its authority and is of no use to them Is this to regard the Scriptures Doth it not tend to forward and confirme negligent Atheists in their contemptuous slighting and undervaluing of the Scriptures Oh! that all such would read and tremble at the reading of Ioh. 12.48 he that receiveth not my words hath one that judgeth him the word that I have spoken the same shal judge him at the last day Thirdly They preferre their silent waiting to the reading of the Scriptures as if we must first come to this ere we can know the Scriptures aright Now they should prove which is not so much as touched upon that their way of waiting is a meane appointed by GOD for right understanding of the Scriptures or profitable speaking concerning them Waiting in their notion is Apocriphal not warranted by any Scripture Some of them have defined it to be a silent posture of the heart without thinking good or evil It seemeth to me no better then mispēt time to be employed in seeking such a posture of heart the heart is such a stirring working thing that if it be not upon good it will be busie enough in evil as may be found in our daily experience According to Scripture faith patience and hope must be exercised in waiting Psal 40.1 Lam. 3.26 and can we be in the exercise of these graces without thinking good or evil What an odd conceit is this Fourthly Lest they should seeme to be too great enemies to the Scriptures they confess it to be their desire to try Doctrines by the Scriptures Ans If this be their desire indeed how is it then that one of the Quakers seeing a Religious woman in this Town with a Bible in her hand told her she might as well read a Latine book as that Book And why is it that they do not desire their hearers to bring their Bibles that so they may the better discerne whether the doctrines taught at their meetings be answerable to the Scriptures But happily they think not this convenient lest their juglings should be found out And I must tell the Gentle-man that though he charge us with jugling that the Quakers have been suspected from their first rise as notable juglers which R. Farmer in his Mystery of ungodlyness sheweth by this instance saith he it is usual for Quakers to say they owne the Scriptures yea we confirme and establish the Scriptures and witness the Scriptures Now saith he an honest-man that means plainly would think they believed the Scriptures to be the written Word of GOD and the rule of a Christian to walk by in things to be believed and practised But saith he these persons play the deceivers not using words in that sense they are usually understood they meane otherwise they say in express words else where the Scriptures are not the Saints rule of knowing God and living to him And indeed these are the words of one C. Atkinson a Quaker see his book called the sword of the Lord furbished in answere to the Ministers first principle and a little after he insinuats that to affirme the Scriptures to be the rule is to put darkness for light and light for darkness Now let all unbyassed persons judge whether these men put the Scriptures in their true place SECT II. Proving the Scriptures to be the Word of GOD. He addeth page 26. That every declaration of a mans mind is not his word for signs may be a declaration of his mind Ans Though a dumb man may declare his mind by signs yet this maketh nothing against the Scriptures being the word of God which are such a declaration of Gods mind as he uttered and spake If any thing can be accounted the proper word of one that must be it which he utters and speaks Now the Truths the Commands and Precepts contained in the Scriptures were uttered and spoken by God Exod. 20.1 And God spake all these words c. He saith people usually distinguish between a mans word and his write Ans True For they call the one verbum dictum a word spoken and the other verbum scriptum a word written but can it be inferred from this that the Scriptures are not the Word of GOD which he hath committed to writting for the good of his Church and People He saith the Word of GOD is like unto himself spiritual yea spirit and life and therefore cannot be read with the external senses Ans The Word of GOD is twofold 1. There is the coessential coeternal word namely JESUS CHRIST who is one with the Father this Word properly cannot be read though we may and do read of it 2. There is the Spiritual Word the temporal expressed Word or the Word written in time now the external senses may be employed in reading this Word He saith that these scriptures Hos 1.1 Joel 1.1 Esay 38.4 are understood of that word from which the scriptures were given forth Ans It is not denyed that the Lord spake by the Prophets and was the authour of giving forth the scriptures but yet that word of the Lord which came to the Prophets is not mean'd of the Word made flesh as Quakers would have it but of the mind and message of the Lord contained in Scripture Ieremiah 14.1 the word of the Lord that came to