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A79851 A second voyce from the temple to the higher povvers. Wherein is proved that the decrees and institutions of popes and popish counsels, which have been established by the law of the land, and have been continued and confirmed throughout divers ages, by several acts of Parliament, against Jesus Christ, in the way and order of the Gospel (the same yet standing) ought by the present supream authority of this nation to be taken away. Moreover; here is shewed, some particular decrees of popes, which have beeen established by several acts of Parliament, viz. A nationall ministry, tythes, prohibiting men from publick preaching of the Gospel, unlesse elected and ordained after a popish manner, &c. All which as they are the institutions of popes, formerly confirmed by the law of the land, so now, to be abrogated. By John Canne. Canne, John, d. 1667? 1653 (1653) Wing C442A; Thomason E710_19; ESTC R207195 25,656 36

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Priests that would not teach the people unlesse they had great and large revenues But I wonder how any man unlesse a Prelate would mention this of Julian considering it was the revenues of Archbishops and Bishops c. which he tooke away nothing from the Parish Priest for as yet there was no set maintenance for him nor such a humane creature in the world But why is this story of Julian so often repeated in their Pamphlets It must be for one of these two Reasons either to render the Parliament irreligious and contemptible to the world if they take tythes away or else that they cannot take care for Religion and Christianitie unlesse they support a carnall Ministerie by tythes For the plea which they make of the Patrons Interest in the Donation of Parsonages and Vicarages The thing is so unjust as the Non-conformists in their writings against the Bishops usually cald them Latrons Theeves and professe their places to be unlawfull and wicked and give many Reasons for it If some one in a Parish had entailed to him and to his heires for ever the power of appointing husbands and wives to all the people therein the slaverie were unsufferable although in a matter of a Civil nature But how much more then unsufferably great is their sinne which loose a spirituall freedome and greater those Patrons which keepe it and greatest such Time-servers who labour what they can to maintain so corrupt and vile a thing I come now to the last General head which is that the Gospel may have a free passage amongst us and all such men libertie publickly every where to preach the same whom the Lord hath fitted enabled for that work though not in office and all restraints and prohibitions to the contrary both former and later removed and taken away Our Reasons are 1. That none should preach unlesse ordain'd this as the Nationall Ministerie and Tythes came likewise from the sea of Rome For Gregorie 9. in the yeare 1227. made a Decree that no lay man should preach Here began the abomination that maketh desolate Now the occasion was to suppresse the truth which at that time began most gloriously to breake forth by the Waldenses so that no higher can they bring this practise then to the yeare 1227. Neither have they any other Author to father and fasten it on then Satan and Antichrist For howsoever before this time many fowl abuses and corruptions were crept into the Church yet it was so many yeares after Christ before this Decree of the Pope came forth viz. That no lay man should preach But how sinfull and unlawfull that Decree of the Pope was will appeare by this Position or Conclusion which I shall here lay down and prove namely That faithfull men able to speak to edification exhortation and comfort though not Ministers or in any office may open and apply the holy Scriptures to the profit and benefit of others Or thus Preaching of the Gospel whether in publick or private is not tied to any office function calling ministerie but those out of office have right power libertie to make knowne the truths of the Gospel wheresoever they are or come 1. This was a practice both allowed and observed in the Jewish Church For howsoever Christ and his Apostles were more then private men viz. extraordinarily cald of God yet were they not by the Jewes acknowledged as Prophets and Apostles or men in office either ordinarie or extraordinarie but as gifted men and able to teach so they were permitted according to the laudable custome of the Church Luk. 2.46 47. 4.17 18. Act. 4.4 Act. 13 14 15 15. And there remaines among the Jewes the foot steps of this practise to this day as I have often seen in their Synagogues 2. Whether the Primitive Churches took up this practise as from the Jewes I shall not determine But that the brethren not in office might publickly preach it cannot be denyed You may all prophesie one by one saith the Apostle 1 Cor. 14.31 That he speakes not of any Church Officer or Minister the words vers 34. make it cleare Let your women keepe silence in the Churches for it is not permitted unto them to speake This is brought in to answer an objection as thus If all may speake in the Churches then women likewise No saith the Apostle it is not allowed them for severall Reasons Besides if none might speake to the edification of the Church but Ministers then the Apostles words forbidding women to speake would be vaine and absurd For what use was there that he should mention a restraint or prohibition of women if none might speake no not men unlesse Pastors or Teachers 3. As this was practised both in the Jewish and Christian Church so we finde it a dutie prest upon the people of God and earnestly cald upon not to quench the Spirit But as every man hath received the gift even so minister the same one to another as good Stewards of the manifold grace of God 1 Pet 4.11 Againe Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us whether prophesie let us prophesie according to the proportion of faith Or ministerie let us wait on our ministering or he that teacheth on teaching or he that Exhorteth on Exhortation c. Rom. 12.6 7 8. He that well observes the words here may plainly see how the Apostle distinctly sets downe the Exercise of prophesie from what is to be don ministerially and by the officers of the Church 4. If men out of office may not open and apply the holy Scriptures observe what absurdities would follow 1. In case the Church have no Minister as it may often fall out by sicknesse persecution c. then she must want Teaching and so Vision ceasing the people perish Pro. 27.9 2. Multitudes in darknesse and the shadow of death are hereby left to perish in their bloud and sinne For to deny preaching to them by men out of offices is to leave them without the arme of God for their conversion gathering and bringing in to the Lord Jesus 3. Should there be no preaching till there are Ministers then necessarily after the General Apostacie of Antichrist there could never be raysed up either Churches or Officers For it is so absurd and ridiculous to imagine Officers before Churches and therefore we well know by the preaching of men out of office people were first called out from Babylon and being seperated from the world they covenanted together to walke in the faith and order of the Gospel and they become the true Churches of Christ electing and ordaining afterward their own Ministers according to the Apostolicall Institution 5. The benefits are great and pretious which not onely Saints but sinners too may receive by the private and publique teaching of men out of office For 1. what doth more speake out the glory of Christ in his Saints then to see the gifts and graces which he hath bestowed upon them shining