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A78217	Ichnographia. Or A model of the primitive congregational way: wherein satisfaction is offered, by unfolding (according to the Scriptures) what the right order of the Gospel, and way of the saints in the visible worshipping of God is, in the dayes of the New Testament. And how the saints in these dayes may walk up to it, notwithstanding their present hindrances. Together with the maine points in controversie, touching the right visible church-state Christ hath instituted under the Gospel, with the extent of church-officers, and power of particular visible churches, and continuance of divine ordinances and institutions under the defection and apostasie of Antichrist. By W. Bartlet, Minister of the Gospel, at Wapping.	Bartlet, William, 1609 or 10-1682.	1647 (1647)	Wing B986; Thomason E381_17; ESTC R201418	140,788	175

Because in so doing they shall doe no more then what the Saints have done before them in the Primitive times for we find in those daies that Beleevers did not live loosely and casually or as we say at randome but were gathered and brought into distinct bodies or church-societies to live under that discipline and church order or government which Jesus Christ had commanded and left to his Apostles to settle For it is worth our observation that Jesus Christ did not onely send forth his Apostles and Disciples to convert sinners to him ☞ but he appointed an order of government to be established by them to which those that were converted should subject unto as we may see in many places 1 Cor. 12.28 Ephes 4.12 13. Rom. 12.6 7 8. and therefore we read so much of churches tha were planted and gathered into the order of the Gospell Act. 14.23 as Corinth Ephes Phil. Coloss and so the churches of Judea Galatia Asia Macedonia as we have noted before which were no other then so many distinct bodies or societyes of believers which the Apostles after they were converted to Christ did unite together in those Cities and Countryes So much is evident from the Epistles that the Apostle Paul wrote to those Churches For he doth not write to all in Corinth to all in Rome to all in Philippi but to the Saints in those Cities that were called and become a Church to Christ 't was not every Towne and City and Country that made a Church as t is now in England but so many as were called and united together now people become members of a church by vertue of being born in those Townes and places and parishes where they live but ab initio non fuit sic i. e. from the beginning it was not so 3. Because till the godly do fall upon this worke 3. Motive Necessity of yeelding obedience to Christs commands cals for it there are many holy and sacred dutyes that Jesus Christ hath laid down to them in his word which they will be found to live in the neglect and omission of viz. 1. That of Mat. 18.17 Tell the church but how can those tell the Church that are not joyned to a Church that is such a Church or Congregation of Saints as we have in the former Chapter set downe 2. That of 1 Cor. 5.4 5 13. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to deliver such a one to Sathan c. but how can they cast out of the Church such as are scandalous by that authority Christ hath given to it that are not joyned to any church 3. That of 1 Cor. 14.12 Seeke that ye may excell to the edifying of the Church but how can such seeke to excel in spirituall gifts for this end that they may edify the church when they are of no church 4. That of 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your women keep silence in your churches that is church-meetings as Beza and Piscator reade it Mulieres vestrae in conventibus sileant not that there were severall distinct particular churches standing under one common classicall government as the Presbyterians would have it but how can godly women keepe silence in the churches when they are members of no churches 5. That of Heb. 13.17 Obey them that have the rule over you and submit your selves but how can they obey their Rulers if they have none to rule and watch over them in the Lord 6. That of Rom. 12.6 7 8. But how can believers keepe up the administ●ation and execution of those offices and ordinances in the churches of Christ so long as they are not in such churches where those offices are to be executed 7. That of Gal. 5.1 13. Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made you free be not c. but how can believers stand fast in that liberty which Jesus Christ hath purchased for them and bequeathed unto them while they are not in any Church-state to which this liberty referres ● Motive Christ hath or●ained no other ●ondition for ●elievers to a●ide in here 4. Another reason is because there is no other state and condition that Jesus Christ hath appointed for his Saints in this life in relation to the enjoyment and performance of his publique worship then this to wit to b● joyned to a particular church and therefore as Head and King of Saints he ordained not only a word to call convert them but holy offices and officers holy lawes and ordinances to rule and govern them and build them up in grace to glory as Ephes 4.10 11 12. 1 Cor. 12.28 Mat. 16.19 compared with Mat. 18.18 but of this we spake sufficiently before upon the second argument ● Motive The Word and Spirit of Christ ●re more especially entailed ●o this church-state 5. Because the Lord Jesus Christ hath in a more especiall manner tyed his Word and Spirit and all his precious Promises to believers in such a church-state as Exod. 20.24 1 Kings 9.3 Esay 4.5 6. and 25.6 7 8. Esay 56.7 Psal 132.13 14 15. Mat. 6.33 Mat. 18.19 20. Here the Saints may in a more full and excellent manner expect the presence of Jesus Christ by way of assisting quickning comforting sanctifying and strengthening of them and therefore this should greatly prevaile with them to come into this church-state 6. Motive Christ takes most del●ght to be with the Saints in this church-state 6. Because the Lord Jesus Christ doth own such particular churches of Saints as the places of his greatest delight as appeares 1. In that he walkes in the middest of them as Revel 2.1 2 Cor. 6.16 2. In that he not only walkes in them but lodgeth and dwels in them they are his resting place where he takes sweet repose Psal 132.13 14. and 72.2 and 26.8 3. In that here he feedes Cant. 1.7 and 6.2 3. every particular church of Saints is as a Bed of Spices full of sweetnes pleasantnes to Jesus Christ here he eates his pleasant fruits Cant. 4.16 4. In that here he imparts his loves Cant. 7.12 Christ and the Saints do mutually impart their inward bosome delights to each other a man will not let out his heart to others as he will and doth to his wife nor the wife to any as to her husband Now Christ and the Saints in church-fellowship are as husband and wife 2. Cor. 11.2 5. In that here Jesus Christ doth more then ordinarily hold forth and manifest his glory as God did of old in the Tabernacle Psal 63.2 which was a type of particular churches now under the Gospell and Christs appearing in his glory to them by his word and Spirit Indeed it cannot be denyed but Jesus Christ doth hold forth the glory of his wisdome and power and goodnes and holines and truth in every place but no where as in the Assemblies of the Sainte here the Spirit reveales the glory of Christ in all these to and upon the hearts of the

again And therefore considering that the absolution of excommunication doth pertaine to the Churches it followeth that the excommunication doth in like manner appertaine unto them And so afterwards he sheweth that the Peoples consent was required in things of this nature and that the Ministers did not take upon them of their own authority to excommunicate c. and shews the truth of this from the authorities of Cyprian and Augustine p. 187. and so before p. 35. of his first reply in the case of a Churches neglect to call a Minister or to consent upon one that is unmeet he sheweth that the power of Elders in other Churches is no other then of Admonition or sharpely chargeing them that they forbeare such an election or in case it be done not to confirme it and in case these Churches neglect their duty or the Church which is admonished rest not in their admonition then to bring it to the next Synod and if it rest not therein then the Magistrate is to do his duty and the same he confirmes in his second Reply Tract 7. p. 80 81 82. where he maintaines the Church of Corinths joyning with the Apostle in the excommunication of the incestuous person Thirdly Master Dudly Fenner Fenner de sac Theol l. 7. pag. ●77 278. that was contemporary with Master Cartwright and joyned with him in the publique Ministery to the English Company in Antwerp in his Treatis● De sacra Theolog to which Master Cartwright in an Epistle prefixed to it gives a singular testimony Lib. 7. p. 277 278 279. hath much to th●s purpose Among other passages this is not the least for our purpose that in matters maximi momenti i. e. of the greatest moment as Censures elections of Ministers c. they are to be done in the Assembly by the authority of the whole Church And if the people have any thing to counsell or object they have liberty to bring it in and afterwards matters are to be concluded when they have beene heard speake and have given their consent Fourthly Master Parker Parker de Eccl. ●olit l. 3. c. 12. who is so large and full for what we affirme that it would require a whole volume by it selfe to translate what he hath written to this purpose In his third booke De Eccles pol. Chap. 12. he hath no lesse then 22. Arguments to prove the superiority of Churches over their owne officers and he that reades him diligently shall finde that from the authority of Scriptures Ancient and Moderne Writers and other unanswerable reasons he proves the authority of Churches to be in themselves and then Lib. 3. Chap. 22. p. 329. and so onwards he shews that Synods and Classes have no other power over those Churches then by way of counsell and admonition whosoever reades that 22. Chapter shall finde him to prove it six wayes from the ground from the forme from the matter from the object from the manner of proceeding and from the end of those Classicall combinations All which would be too large to translate Where let the reader take notice that he doth not simply deny the use of synods and combination of Churches into Classes as we doe not but onely their superiority that is challenged to be due to them over the congregations of the Saints which we cannot see to be any other then an usurpation not given to them by Jesus Christ Fiftly pious and learned M. Perkins ●erk his Expos 〈◊〉 Revel c. 2. ● 2. and v. 20 in his Exposition on the three first Chapters of the Revelations affirmeth that Jesus Christ gave to every one of those seven Churches in Asia power and Authority to preach the Word administer the Sacraments to reprove evill men and exclude all obstinate sinners from all spirituall priviledges among them His words are these chap. 2. ver 2. Christ hath given to his Church a power judiciall to suspend evill men from the Sacrament and to excommunicate them from the outward fellowship of the Church for else he would not have commended this Minister with his Church for the execution of his power And the reasons saith he alledged to the contrary are of no force And at ver 20. of the same Chapter he saith We may learne two things 1. The large power that God gave to his Church which was besides the power to preach the Word and administer the Sacraments a farther power to appoint who should preach amongst them and who shou●d not and also power to represse evill men and women and so keep them in order The like power was given to the * Now the C● of Ephesus w● a particular v●sible Church having powe● of governme●● within it self Master Perki● shewes and cleare from t●● Scripture church of Ephesus as we have seene saith he before and the like power did God give to all Churches as we shall see if we read the Histories of the church And great cause there is hereof for without this authority no church could long stand and be a church Sixtly Holy Baynes Baynes Dioc● Tryall pag. 1 printed 162 that eminent light which succeeded Master Perkins We affirme saith he that no such head Church was ordained either virtually or actually but that all Churches were singular Congregations equall * This godly learned Autho● with others d● use the word Independen● not simply b● in some respec● not in respect of God and Christ th● Spirit the scriptures principles of reason and equity for so we acknowledge all Churches to be dependen● but in respect of men onely and as it refers to other Churches or subordination to them in poi● of power and authority because we know of no such ordained by Christ in the Word INDEPENDENT each of other in regard of subjection So in pag. 21. touching the Churches of Geneva he shews by answering to an objection was made from thence 1. That they have power of governing themselves but for greater edification voluntarily confederate not to use or exercise their power but with mutuall communication one asking the counsell and consent of the other in the common Presbyterie 2. He shews that it is one thing for Churches to subject themselves to a Bishop and Consistory wherein they shall have no power of suffrage another thing to communicate with such a Presbyterie wherein themselves are Members and Judges with others And then afterwards he shews that Geneva made this Consociation not as if the prime Churches were imperfect and to make one Church by this union but because though they were entire Churches and had the power of Churches yet they needed this support in exercising of it and that by this meanes the Ministers and Seniors or Elders of it might have communion marke that Communion viz. among themselves not jurisdiction over others So pag. 81. where after a large discourse touching this power that was in the particular Church of Corinth he concludes with these words Finally saith he the Church●s of

As for that place of Jeremy 15.19 where the Lord saith they should returne to him but not he to them doubtlesse the Lord doth not speake it of the Ministry of the word for that he continued afterwards to those rebellious Jewes but in respect of more speciall ordinances wherein the Lord prohibits his Ministers and Saints to have communion with Idolaters but especially I take it to be understood of the Lords forbidding the Prophet to conforme himself in his life and conversation to their wicked wayes but that he should be such an example and pattern of holines and righteous walking before them that they might the better be convinced of the evill of their wayes and so returne to the Lord from whom they had departed not in the least that he should cease declaring the mind and will of God to them Now this objection being answered I come to the inferences Now the truth of the former Proposition being thus cleared and confirmed these things will then unavoidably follow Inference ●●om the for●er Propositi●● 1. That those particular instances which are produced by diverse reverend Divines of the Eunuch Centurions and Jailors baptisme though not belonging to any particular Church against what we have laid downe are of little force and validity in regard that what was done to those persons was by the hands of extraordinary officers that were not tyed to particular Churches as ordinary Pastors teachers were then still are of like insufficiency is that instance of circumcision which is brought by some of high accomplishment in learning and pyety to warrant their practise against what hath been delivered for it is well known that to the administration of circumcision there was not required a Church-Officer but God left it undetermined and as a thing indifferent in respect of the administrator whether the Priest or the Father or the Mother so the thing be done as we see in Moses child whereas t is otherwise in the administrations of the Church under the New Testament as wee have shewed before and though we cannot read of any baptismall administrations in gathered Churches in the dayes of the Apostles yet I suppose we are not to deny it unlesse we will deny that children which were members of Churches as appears Eph. 6.1 2 3. Col. 3.20 were not baptized at all either they must be baptized before the Churches were gathered or after not before for doubtlesse many of those children were not then born therefore after and then without all controversie there must of necessity be baptismall administrations when and where the Churches did meet though the holy Ghost for reasons best known to himselfe is pleased to conceale them 2. That those are justly blame worthy that very frequently and ordinarily in these dayes of the Gospell in which we live goe from place to place to baptize such as are not of their own nor scarce of any other particular Church of Christ I shall crave leave to propose these few things to them 1. Whether they do not hereby introduce an universall or Nationall church visible with officers and ordinances sutable thereunto taking for granted ●hat their Parish member-ship being a branch of the other is sufficient to instate them in church priviledges the insufficiency of which I have already shewed 2. Whether they do not by this their practise not only confound those offices which Jesus Christ the King of his church hath distinguished Ephes 4.11 but also hereby hold forth to the world 1. That the extraordinary offices of Apostles and Evangelists are not to this day ceased whose commission did extend it selfe to all Churches 2. That they presume to have the same Call Warrant and Commission for what they do which the Apostles had at first from Jesus Christ 3. Whether they do not take that to them and upon them by this their practise which the Apostles themselves by all their authority did never give to the officers and Elders of particular churches for we never read that ever the Apostles did give in command that the Elders and Ministers of particular churches should extend the exercise of the office especially the administration of the Seals and censures which is the point we speake to beyond the bounds of their own congregation 4. Lastly whether hereby they do not only by this their example occasion from and by others the pollutions prophanation of the holy things of Gods House but also lay stumbling blocks in the way of many precious and godly soules that would come off from their old wayes of confusion did they not discerne such practises in those that take upon them to be guides and leaders of others for are we not ordinarily upbraided with these and the like words Do you not see how such and such godly men reverend Ministers and learned Divines make no scruple at all of administring the Seales especially that of Baptisme to those that are not of their own congregation and thus according to the old saying Plus prosunt exempla quam praecepta multitudes are kept from comming to the enjoyment of the pure ordinances of Christ in the right order of the Gospell 3. It will follow also from hence unavoidably that those many Christians the truth of whose grace and union with the head and foundation we question not which of late dayes calling into question the truth and lawfullnes of their first baptisme have fallen upon the practise of rebaptizing and taking up the Ordinance of baptisme De novo are utterly void and altogether to seeke of a true and a just ground from the Scripture for their practise herein and so this latter baptisme of theirs will be found as unlawfull upon the same ground they held their first unlawfull because unlawfully administred For if the administration of the Seales be now tyed to ordinary officers and these to a particular Church since the Apostles times that give them their lawfull and right call to administer the ordinances then it will follow that there is no lawfull baptisme but by him that is an officer of some particular Church and he that is an officer of some particular church must have a lawfull calling from the Church to which he is an officer for all extraordinary officers that had their call and commission immediately from heaven are ceased now those which rebaptize cannot prove the taking up of that ordinance again after this manner but are enforced to hold that a Disciple in common that by the exercise of his gifts doth convert a sinner from the evill of his wayes may also baptize him which if true then first of all what need of Christs ordaining officers in a Church for these purposes Secondly then why may not a godly woman by her good exhortations and chaste conversation converting her husband baptize him also which I suppose they are farre from maintaining and yet it necessarily followes the ground they build their practise upon wherefore three things I shall here propose in the

primitive Churches to shew for and is doubted of by those with whom it should prevaile can that do it The former meanes will remedy evils if men be consciencious the latter will not do it if men be not consciencious Obj. But the Magistrate must come in and helpe Ans Then in Church helpe there is little difference between the Presbyters and the Independents whatsoever they pretend to the contrary in the point of church power 2. If you interesse the Magistrates power he must then either by himselfe or by some commission take cognizance of the jus and fact wherein his power is to be exercised he must not act upon an implicite beliefe that the acts of the church are right 3. Will you call in his power in all matters of difference wherein your selves cannot agree or will you only desire his power to helpe when either the hainousnesse of the matter or the turbulency of the carriage manifests stubbornnesse If in the former case then you make the Magistrate the Iudge of all controversies in Religion which I believe you are not willing to do If in the latter only wee are agreed Why then is there such a stirre such an out-cry against that which is called the Independent way as if there must needs be a confusion of all things if liberty in it be granted The Lord judge between us and our bretheren in this thing to him wee referre our names and our cause Thus that eminent and famous servant of Christ in the conclusion of his Vindication against M. Edwards And if any desire further satisfaction touching the undue power of the classicall way he may read at large M. Damports Reply to M. Paget sect 27. p. 226 to 231. and 254 255. 5. The next inference from the former position is this That those of the Congregationall way commonly known by the nick-name of Independents do not walke without a rule for what they do in appropriating the administrations of Seales and Censures to their own particular Congregations nor sinne against Christ in refusing to administer the Seales to such as are not in fellowship with them nor any other true visible Church of Christ I know it is layd to the charge of such as if they were proud and scornfull but it is no other then an aspersion for if this be the revealed will of Christ that the administration of the Seales is limited to Pastors and Teachers and they to their owne particular charge then if they had all the humility in the world that is in the hearts of the Saints yet that would not allow them to go against the least part of the revealed will and mind of Christ which they should do if they should administer Church ordinances to such as are of no Church and refuse also to sit downe in fellowship with them For as M. Burroughs in his Heart Divisions p. 166. hath well and rightly observed In all worship that belongs to Saints as Saints they joyfully joyn with them that is as I conceive in prayer hearing of the word holy conference and duties of such like nature that concerne christian communion but as for that worship that belongs to Saints as gathered into a society under officers so they judge it unreasonable that any should have the benefit of the priviledges of the Church and yet be under no power nor discipline of any Church but live at liberty and pick choose ordinances where they please if they walk disorderly have no Church to call them to an account And therfore hence forward let not men censure us as they have done for the discharge of our duty to Jesus Christ Indeed if it were meere will and not conscience that did lead guide us it were another matter but when through riches of mercy we can upon good grounds appeale to the Lord that it is meer conscience and not will that leads and swayes us let them take heed how they passe such unrighteous judgement on their bretheren lest that of our Saviour light on them Mat. 7.1 2. Iudge not that ye be not judged for with what judgement ye judge ye shall be judged and with what measure ye mete it shall be measured to you again I would only desire to know this one thing of such rash and bitter censurers of their brethren what profit advantage it can be to us to expose our names to reproach our persons to contempt and all we have to hazard if wee were not perswaded of the truth of what wee practise and that we should sinne against God if wee should to please men do the contrary Besides is it not wel known that we strive to go so farre as we may possibly with a good conscience for the satisfying of those that are contrary minded what would men have yet further of us unlesse it be to sin against the light of truth God hath revealed to us let but a few things be duely considered then see whether we are guilty of those abominable and foule crimes that are laid to our charge 1. Those of the Congregationall way are content to receive such into communion and church fellowship upon their proffering themselves that differ from them in their judgement in things of lesser consequence and moment so long as they have good evidence and testimony of their upright conversation and find them willing to sit down with them and submit themselves to the churches proceedings as farre as God shall give them light 2. They are studious of taking notice of the least breathings of Christ in those that offer themselves to joyn with them in Church communion whether poore or rich condiscending to the meanest worke of grace where they have any the least hintes of truth and sincerity being assured that Christ hath appointed his green Pastures for his weake Lambes as well as for his grown sheep 3. They are willing to give liberty to any such poore soules to manifest what God hath done for them in uniting them to Christ the foundation not to make a confession of their sinnes as many report for the satisfying of those that shall have communion with them in the holy things of God which is no more then reason requires either before the whole Church publiquely or else if they are weake and bashfull as many are to the * And thus much the Presbyterians themselves practise in their admission of men and women to the Sacrament Pastor in private with one or two more of the Church and they to transmit it to the Church 4. If they meet with broken language and bad and low expressions as oftentimes it falles out yet they make not that a ground of refusall so there be sufficient testimony of the holines of the life viz. such a profession as carries with it no palpable contradiction in mens walking but is accompanied with the power of Religion and godlines 5. They bind not any to a formall and expresse written covenant at their comming in as they