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A43114	The Quaker converted to Christianity re-established, upon the same, sure, safe, and only foundation, Jesus Christ crucified, and his righteousness imputed for justification : having yet no mind to change the sweet and easie Yoke of Christ's Gospel, for the Old Covenant-Yoke of Quakerism, which he found so burdensome and intolerable, or, A full reply to a book entituled, Rebellion rebuked written by John Crook and William Baily, both in the ministry among the Quakers / written by William Haworth ... ; with an account from William Dimsdale ...	Haworth, William.; Dimsdale, William.	1674 (1674)	Wing H1196; ESTC R513	168,839	185

spoke to Gods people what their Duty was every one apart upon their Beds that every one alone should keep a silent Meeting in the Night in his Chamber retired upon his Bed not a word of assembling here only thus much is in it when God comes with afflictions if we be moved with grief yet are we to take heed of sinning against God by murmuring and fretting but rather be retired and examine our hearts we shall find cause enough why the Lord deals so with us and that he is Righteous let every one in the night season when full of thoughts upon remembrance what God hath done to him then be patient quiet still fret not against God The last is Isa 8. and Isa 40.3 concerning waiting on and that which Christ the Lord speaks to his Disciples bidding them wait a Jerusalem till they were endued with power Now what kind of silent Meetings these Scriptures speak for it will soon appear let one place open the rest what this waiting is see Acts 1.14 They all continued with one accord in Prayer and Supplications And Peter stood up and Preached to them v. 15. Let the Reader now Judg what fit Scriptures these be to prove the things in hand and what a mighty Man this is that while he goeth about to let others see their ignorance as he saith he betrayeth his own And it s not something strange that this people should wrest the Scripture thus to prove their silent Meetings and when it speaks plainly for silence there they are against it in their practice in 1 Cor. 14.34 it 's said by the Apostle Let your Women keep silence in the Churches For it is not permitted unto them to speak yet the Quakers are for Women Preaching 1 Tim. 2.11 Let the Women learn in silence if any silent Meetings they must be such wherein there is none but Women What thou sayest Baily in this 〈◊〉 touching the Quakers I shall at present pass till I come to the place where thou goest about to prove Ezekiel and others to be Quakers after the same rate as thou hast proved silent Meetings Pag. 26. B. And could not own that refuge of Lies W. H. hath made concerning him Reply I Challenge thee to mention one lye that I have either said or writ of him whatever I have writ in my Epistle of him is owned by himself in his book under his own hand and had I thee Face to Face with him in case thou hast any Sobriety and Modesty and Ingenuity left I would make thee eat up these words again viz. these could not own that refuge of lies c. B. Pag. ibid. And I do not understand from his Master or any in Hartford that ever he was ten times at the Quakers Meetings but 〈◊〉 sometimes as the other boys did as he said and may be farther seen in the account from Hartford Reply If any please to enquire of the young Man himself now dwelling at Ware he will affirm that which here I write viz That for five years together he went to no other Meetings but the Quakers Meetings and is it likely that he should not be above ten times in all that space at their Meetings you may likewise hear at Hartford that none of us saw him in our Meetings but of late years thou dost wrong him Baily and thou dost not rightly transcribe his own words He saith several times I went as other boys and thou hast put in another word viz. sometimes and let it be considered that lest any should think that he went only when a boy by that expression viz. as other boys that he is there in the beginning of his Book relating his first step and entrance into their Way This boy was twenty years of Age before he left the Quakers as for that account from Hartford what little value it 's of the Reader will soon Judg when by enquiry at Hartford he comes to hear that some of the Quakers hands 〈◊〉 to it that did not dwell in nor near the Town till several years after 〈◊〉 young Man was an Apprentice in the Town Besides whatever they restifie in this account they testify either First from the young Mans Master and Dame Grigson Or Secondly from his own Relation in his Book 〈◊〉 that he was against the Quakers practice in two things viz. the ●●●●ing on the Hat and silent Meetings Now as to his Master and 〈◊〉 Testimony concerning him of what force will it be to the Judicious when this is weighed that such was the young Mans reservedness in the Family which he was naturally addicted to that both Master and Dame acknowledged as these Men confess in the account that they did not know this young Mans mind see their own words are these viz. They never understood that he had any convincement upon his mind when-as be had far a long time great troubles and convictions upon his Spirit while in the Family as appears by the Book As for the Second thing viz. his practice in putting his Hat off in Salutations and being against silent Meetings you must give us leave to think that notwithstanding this the young Man was of the Quakers Spirit Faith and Principle for having conversed much with the Quakers at Hartford having read several of their Books and the Books of others that 〈◊〉 us of their opinions we apprehend that to believe the Light 〈◊〉 every Man hath to be Christ and to obey this as Christ and being Faithful in the obedience to come up to an outward Reformation which this young Man did and call it Perfection thinking God could 〈◊〉 charge him with sin is the very Heart and Life and Essence of the Quakers Religion and for the two things insisted on by them we look 〈◊〉 them rather as outward Badges Tokens and Marks whereby to distinguish Quakers from others than any essential things to constitute a Quaker But again he asserts in his Book that he walked in this practice according to his Light and enquire at Hartford Rea●er and thou mayest have many Witnesses that such is his Integrity that he may be credited in what he hath said And it is not probable 〈◊〉 he that was Faithful in other matters of greater weight touching ●●●●ning from sin and acting Righteously should be unfaithful in 〈◊〉 less matters Now observe these Subscribers yet say he was 〈◊〉 Quaker when-as he acted according to his then present Guide the light within In the close how can this thing be determined whether 〈◊〉 young Man was a Quaker or no when-as he was so reserved that 〈◊〉 they according to their own Confession nor any of us knew 〈…〉 or Principles only he went to their Meetings and to no other 〈◊〉 years space as we can prove how can it be determined but by 〈…〉 Confession which hath been published already and you may now see more in his own following Book towards the end where he 〈◊〉 up eight distinct grand errors of the Quakers that he

into the Pot What the Son only Son begotten Son begotten within us them 〈◊〉 he have a beginning and original and so many as there are works of Sanctification and the Spirit must be the Father which proceeded from the Father and the Son according to the Scriptures Now John who is the Blasp●emer Repent for this I Beseech thee that it may be forgiven thee Another was Bebeaded for the Testimony of Jesus i. e. said'st thou to part with all Carnal Wisdom and Reasonings that is beheading Now who would not think John but that thou art beheaded And yet thou hast lost all thy u●derstanding and judgment thus to abuse the Scriptures Like unto thi● is thy applying this in Zachary to the work of the Lord in my Conscience I would not submit thou sayest t● the King of Zion but would be saved without having him Rule in and over me that came meek and low Riding on that Wild Asses Colt on which Man never Rode now I suppose that thou meanest by Christ's Riding on the Asses Col● subduing that Wildness tha● was in me that no huma●e power could do now it would be very difficult for thee to hold on the Allegory and tell us if the wild Nature 〈…〉 was the Asses Colt what was the Ass that this was the Fole of for 〈◊〉 are mentioned in Matthew What was the Village from whence this 〈◊〉 came and what is to be denoted by the owner what were those Cloths that were spread upon the Asses and in the way and what those Branches and what by those that cryed Hosanna what those Sto●es tha● would cry bu● in ease the Disciples had held their tong●e and what that Jerusalem 〈…〉 which Christ Rode All these must be distinct things in Man I will give thee a taste of this way of Allegorizing the Scripture from 〈◊〉 Author that writ against thy Brethren Crellius and S●cinus who 〈◊〉 wont thus to interpret Scripture see hereby how easie it is to the meak 〈◊〉 taking how dangerous When Moses delivers to us the History of Creation why may we not understand In the beginning for the beginning of the Mosaical Dispensation God Created the Heavens and the Earth i. e. erected the Jewish Polity by new Heavens and new Earth wherein dwelleth Righteousness c. spoke of in the Epistle of Peter is meant a new State of things under the Gospel And the Earth was without Form and void and Darkness was upon the face of the Deep i. e. The World was in a State of Darkness and Ignorance before the Law of Moses v. 3. God said ●et there be Light and v. 5. And God called the Light Day this was the first tendencies to the Doctrine of Moses v. 16. God made two great Lights the greater Light to Rule the Day the lesser 〈◊〉 the Night i.e. This Law which at first was divided and scattered was united afterwards in one great Body of Laws which was called the Sun because it was the great director of the Jewish Natio● and therefore said to rule the Day that people that had Light the less considerable Laws of other Nations are the Moon to govern those that were yet under the Night of ignorance v. 6. God said let there be a Firmament in the midst of the Waters i. e. The Jewish State was to be erected in the midst of a great deal of trouble Waters are often taken for troubles and afflictions v. 9. Let dry Land appear the Waters being gathered together i.e. The Jewish State was to be setled after all these troubles but more particularly this was to done after the passage through the Sea v. 12. And the Earth brought forth Grass and herbs c. i. e. There was a great increase of the people some of the meaner sort those are called Herbs and Fruits But v. 24. The Earth brought forth the Living-Creature i. e. These were an higher sort and Rank of people that were to live upon the other and trample upon them that there were several days in the Creation of making things one after another which denoteth that the increase of the Church was not all at once but by Steps and degrees By Gods making the Man and the Woman and then placing them in Paradise is meant the flourishing of the Jewish State and Church after all this and an enjoying rest and pleasure The Church in the Re●●lation is set forth by a Woman and a perfect Man signifieth an high degree of perfection so it is the Church of the Jews being brought up to an high degree of perfection There was a forbidden Tree that was not to be ●aten of i. e. The customs of other Nations their eating was the Jewish Church falling into those Customs Their being turned out of Paradise was the loss of their own Country the Curse was the loss of their settlement and State and being in slavery and captivity to other Nations This may help thee as a pattern to turn this and other Scriptures into an 〈◊〉 or Metaphor applying them to the Light within and your Quakers as this to the Law of Moses and the Jews which is already your way if you could but hit thus happily upon it Thou speakest of thy tenderness to me in the conference Apostle-like now 〈◊〉 comes with a Rod well I must be thankful to thee that thou didst not 〈◊〉 Chastise me then Thou hadst I perceive an high Spirit of discerning in thee and I know thou sayest the good and honesty in thee answered to my Love c. Thy Love must either be very little and so the good and honesty very little that answered or else it was not good and honesty of the right kind or else thy discerning eyes very dim if thou hadst not quite lost the faculty for in two days time all this good and honesty was gone See what thou sayest viz. Vntil the next discourse which was within two days then nothing but heat and passion and eying reputation this is like thy Brother J. Bolton in London that told me that I had a double portion of the Light a fortnight after comes to Hartford and tells me when I opposed his Error● that I had not one dram of the Spirit Such is thy discerning Faculty and I thank thee in the close now that thou hast reckoned me up among the wicked ones in the latter days in Daniel spoke of viz. to grow worse and worse and how proves thou it Because of my opposition to the Quakers and likewise my deportment shews it having turned my wonted Gravity into a Light Vain c. Lofty Confident and Presumptuous Carriage Had I been told so much by my Christian Friends whom I converse with it had concerned me much whom I have asked since this Epistle came forth whether such a carriage is used by me and I do still appeal to them and a● willing to fall under any just reproof for this thing A Vain Light Lofty Presumptuous Carriage being unbecoming the Ministry But surely thou

Ainsworth the corrupt Doctrines of the Jews Now Josephus will tell thee that the Fruit which grew in the place where Sodom and Gomorrah stood was always Bitter and of a Poysonous Nature nay the Grapes and Apples there were so Rotten that if touched they would fall into Dust and Ashes that were fair to the Eye But you delight in such Childish quibbles J. C. pag. 16. Thy following words taste of the same Leaven like those Pharisees that said Christ was a Sinner when he had opened the blind Mans Eyes Let God have the Glory so sayest thou let Christ have the Glory for bringing this young Man amongst you Answ How wide art thou in applying this of the Pharisees the Pharisees did think Christ was a sinner we Believe he is the Holy and just One a Lamb without spot harmless and undefiled such an High-Priest became us to have They did not Believe that Christ was God therefore would not give the Glory to him We Believe according to the Scriptures that he is and was over all God blessed for ever Rom. 9. and therefore we give the Glory of all his works and of this work of his upon the young Mans heart in opening the Eyes of his mind to see the glorious Gospel and discern your delusion who was in his first Birth Spiritually-blind Thou and thy Brethren are worse than the Pharisees they acknowledged matter of fact but you deny this young Mans Eyes to have been opened when-as the most inlightened Servants of Christ whos 's same is in all the Churches of the Saints have owned it as an eminent work of the Spirit giving thanks to Christ for it J. C. pag. 5. Again thy words None of those that went out from you were properly of you had Received the Gospel which you Believe No it is not possible for any to receive it truely and forsake it What that Gospel is which you Believe it concerns you to search that it be not another Gospel Gal. 16. than the Apostles Preached Answ It doth highly concern us I grant for we are saved by the Gospel Therefore we have searched the Scripture which you despise and say is not the Rule Where do you search for the Gospel You enquire of the Light within as of the Oracle Therefore that Gospel which we Believe is not another but the same with that which the Apostles Preached We are Built upon the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles Christ himself not the Light within being the chief Corner-Stone Ephes 2.20 The Gospel which we Believe is that Good Ancient Everlasting-Gospel which was revealed to Adam fallen and in vain was that Revelation if the Light within would have shewn it viz. The seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents bead The Light within cannot be said to be the Seed of the Woman When the Woman that is not to Prophecy in the Church according to your interpretation is the Carnal part but it is Christ that in the fulness of time was made of a Woman Gal. 4. Again it is that Gospel that was Preached to Abraham viz. In thy Seed shall all the Nations viz. Jews as well as Gentiles of the Earth be blessed Which Seed the same Apostle in the same Epistle saith is Christ's Person This Gospel is witnessed by the Law and the Prophets and the sum of it is in Rom. 1.1 separate unto the Gospel of Christ v. 3. Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord who was made of the Seed of David according to the Flesh This is more than to appear in a Body according to J Bolton's Faith and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of Holiness by the Resurrection from the Dead in Cor. 1.15 I declare unto you the Gospel which I preached unto you c. v. 3. how that Christ died for our Sins according to the Scriptures v. 4. And that he was Buried and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures This is the Gospel and we confessing with the mouth this Jesus Christ and Believing with our hearts that God hath raised him from the dead shall be saved Rom. 10.7 For he was delivered i. e. to death for our offences and was raised up again for our justification Rom. 4.25 J. C. For there were those that perverted the true Gospel and turned it upside down and wrested their sayings to their own destruction and others departed from the Faith which Paul Exhorts Timothy to hold fast 1 Tim. 1.19 Answ It 's very true there were such in the Apostles times and they were those that made themselves equal to the Apostles they transformed themselves into the Apostles of Christ and said Paul was but Carnal walked after the Flesh and do not you pretend to an infallible Spirit equal to the Apostolical Spirit And have not you cryed down all sorts of Ministers besides your selves Now what was that perverting the true Gospel in the Galatians but joyning something to Christ in Justification viz. Circumcision whereby they would make every one a debtor to the whole Law that they must keep it to perfection which whether it be not the same thing that thou art pleading for shall be tryed as we go on Only herein these false Apostles were not so much to be blamed as you we read not that they deserted the person of Christ but you have run up and down the Nation with this viz. That the Light in every Man was Christ from that Text John 1. This was the Light c. J. C. That others departed from that Faith which Paul Exhorts Timothy to hold fast Answ Now John what is Paul's Exhortation to Thee Whenas thy Brother Bayly pag. 35. in a derision saith the Scripture which you call your Rule is not your Rule what matters it what Faith you are Exhorted to thereby why do you thus make use of it But let us see what Faith it was that these departed from in I Tim. 1.19 See that v. 20. mention is made of Hymeneus and Alexander Now in the 2 Epistle to Timothy Chap. 2.17 18. Hymeneus is named again and his Error particularly mentioned saying the Resurrection is past already v. 18. Hymeneus was for an Allegorical Resurrection within and now how often have I heard this that when I have spoke with your Friends concerning the Resurrection of the Body viz. That they witnessed the Resurrection They are for an Allegorical Resurrection This old musty Error of Hymeneus we all know you be guilty of Thou hadst better not named that Scripture Thou goest on J. C. pag. 5. And is not the Gospel the power of God Rom. 1.16 and the being led away by sin and lust a departure from or a denyal of the power as 2 Pet. 3.17 where the Apostle exhorts the Beloved that knew the Truth of the Gospel to beware lest they also should be led away with the Error of the wicked Answ The Gospel is the Power of God to Salvation Christ who is the