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A40785 Quakerism no Christianity Clearly and abundantly proved, out of the writings of their chief leaders. With a key, for the understanding their sense of their many usurped, and unintelligible words and phrases, to most readers. In three parts. By John Faldo. Faldo, John, 1633-1690. 1673 (1673) Wing F302; ESTC R214630 219,760 403

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Competition between Jesus Christ and G. Fox and what the Lord and Master did in this case so did his servants the Apostles as I might instance abundantly I will direct you only to Peters Sermons Acts 2. I need not instance in any more He that hath read the Scriptures may easily furnish himself And who can doubt but they who made use of the Letter of the Scriptures for evidence of what in their Ministry they preached or writ were Ministers of the Letter as well as of the Spirit And moreover if we consider the letter of the Scripture to be the letter of the Spirit written by its direction and to express in its kind the minde of the Spirit This Querie of George Fox may be turned upon himself thus and how can ye be Ministers of the Spirit if ye be not Ministers of the Letter also The latter part of his Sentence is a higher Demonstration of the fallibility of his Chair And how can they but delude people who are not infallible True indeed if they did perswade people that they could not in any thing be mistaken or be ignorant but seeing only the Quakers pretended Ministry and the Pope of Rome do assume this to themselves they only are in a necessity of deluding the people for our parts who live in all manner of pride as the Quakers by their spirit of Infallibility do charge us we are not yet come up to their Perfection for we freely acknowledge that we may erre in doctrine and do erre in practice which we bewail before God and men and also that the people may not be deluded by us we desire them and charge them not to pin their faith on our sleeves but repair to the Law and to the Testimony and search the Scriptures try whether the things we affirm be so or no And if we speak contrary to the Minde of God there expressed to reject our doctrine and also that they follow our Example no further then we follow Christ even that Man Christ Jesus who was for a time on Earth but is now in Heaven But what do you think of the Holy Apostles were they universally infallible could not they erre if you say so Paul will convict you of errour in his charging Peter none of the least of the Apostles with erring and in something deluding the people Gal. 2. 12 13 14. Peter dissembled the truth in practising the Mosaical distinction of Jewes and Gentiles and separating from the believing Gentiles as unclean And the other Jewes yea and Barnabas also was carried away with his dissimulation But then you will say how can we be sure that what they wrote and taught was truth I answer that although they might in some thing● be carried away by temptation as Peter was in tha● case yet their doctrine which they professed to b● from the Lord and by the Inspiration of God could not admit of erring or fallibility and that not because they had an habitual infallibility in all things bu● because of the love of God to his people the regard of his honour and the firmness of his Promises which he made to them those especially John 14. 26. But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my Name he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you John 16. 13. Howbeit when he the Spirit of Truth is come he will guide you into all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak and he will shew you things to come Now these Promises being made to the Apostles for furnishing them with ability for their work as Apostles they may be concluded to be infallibly guided by the Spirit but in other things though by their eminent habitual grace they were not likely ●o fall as others who were not cloathed with such a measure and degree as they yet it was more then possible that they should fail but according to G. Fox's infallibility and without limitation the Apostles themselves could not but delude the people But to conclude this particular of Infallibility take beside what hath been said one considerable proof of their non-attainment of Infallibility and that is the most grossely absurd Exposition they give of the Scriptures See what follows with the eyes of Christian-men We are accused that we judge people It is written the Saints shall judge the world an infallible proof as if it were a Command or Prophecy of the Saints i. e. the Quakers calling men all ●o nought how serious soever who are not professedly conducted and saved by the light within but he goes on more and more infallibly And for Judgement am I come into the World saith Christ As if Christs coming into the World sixteen hundred years ago were to the end that they might pass their rash Censures freely But he grows still And where Christ ruleth in his Saints he judgeth the World as Paul witnessed It is no more I but Christ in me Where Paul witnessed this such a Spirit of discerning as they tell us of must finde out for the Scripture hath nothing like it only in two places Rom. 7. 17. It is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me But I am sure Sin and Christ are two things Gal. 2. 20. Yet not I but Christ liveth in me But that was not to censure others but to comfort Paul under the hard censures and usages of others But the passage of coming into the World for Judgement brings into my minde one remarkable Expositor It is a right and sound doctrine to preach him as he is the light of the World and lighteth every man that cometh into the world But what world is this This is the great Prophet who is come into the World which is set in the heart Eccles 3. 11. which is in the midst out of which Moses saith the Lord world raise up a Prophet Lev. 8. 15. which Prophet being come he saith I am come a Light into the World John 1. 12. and 12. 35 36 46 The World being set in the heart there is the light of him who saith I am the light So that with him the World is the heart Christs coming into the World is his comeing into the heart and as he came into the world the heart so he is also raised up out of the world the heart but how like such a Prophet is to Moses I should too much suspect your understandings if I should trouble you with my sense he that is declined as far as dotage may perceive it without a Guide as also the gross darkness of this Expositor in the rest Let us see what sound Exposition the great Lanthorn of the Quakers gives for I must not call him their Great Light for that is in the Lanthorn 1 Cor. 14 34 35. Let your women keep silence in the Churches for it is not
permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law And if they will learn any thing let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for Women to speak in the Church I have known some of them to break the Bonds of this inhibition by expounding the Woman to be weakness she being called the weaker vessel and so weakness must not speak But let us hear G. F's Exposition it may be that may not be so weak Now the woman here hath a husband to ask at home this Note hath some wit in it but he proceeds and not usurp authority over the man but Christ in the male as in the female who redeems from under the Law and makes free from the Law that man may speak Now the knot is united and the womans tongue loosed beyond all question But would any man in his Wits expound this after this fashion the Woman may not speak but the Man Christ in the Woman may and what must their home be then that must be their Consciences within where they say the light Christ is And they are directed to ask their Husbands in the plural number then according to this Exposition there must be as many Christs as there are women in the world at least for every one hath a husband at home Also this home the Conscience must needs be when the women were there in the Church Take but one more though I could fill a Volume with them Ye have Moses and the Prophets within viz. This written spoken manifested in you Quod tibi nervis fieri alteri ne feceris and retro Whatever you would that men should do unto you do ye even so to them This saith Christ is the Law or Moses and the Prophets but if ye will not be admonished nor perswaded by Moses and the Prophets neither will ye be perswaded by such of us who were once dead in sin with you but are now risen to life by the Power of God which is his light and in the same sent to speak unto you from the dead SECT VI. I will conclude this Chapter with some Inferences and Conclusions that naturally flow from this errour for one errour never goes alone viz. That their writings and sayings are equal with the Scriptures and to be preferred before them First it would follow that the Scriptures both are and ever were superfluous for the light within as they pretend was alway fitted to inspire every man and woman in the same manner and to all intents and purposes as they were inspired and written Secondly upon the same ground the tenets and assertions of all the Heathen are to be received as of equal Authority with the Scriptures for although they did not pretend them for divine Inspirations or revelations yet they resulted from their light within improved much more orderly and to purpose then the Quakers do theirs whose ungrounded Pretensions to Inspirations weigh nothing in the case yea the bitter scoffs of Lucian and Julian the Apostate must be admitted into the same Orders for if it be admitted they did not vilifie and scorn and deride Christ the Scripture and Christianity according to the dictates of their Consciences it cannot be denied that they therein acted from the power within which whether it were the power of darkness or not the Quakers having no rule to judge it by but their own sentiments it is left by them undetermined And I know not hardly any worse they said of Jesus of Nazareth the Scripture and Christianity then the Quakers have done under other Names The Quakers reduce their sentiments and motions to the power within of which I will give you one taste from a chief Author● but sink down from these the reasonings about things and wait to feel that which lies beneath in the free nature vertue life power and motions whereof alone is your souls salvation power and motion from within is all with them and if this be truly divine and of equal Authority with the Scriptures or accounted so the scornful and virulent invectives of some of late against many worthy Ministers of Christ and multitudes of serious Christians are not only not to be rebuked but to be reverenced as divine emanations and verities for it could be nothing but a power within with a witness that had such Productions It will absolve many of those from sin whom the Scripture speaks of as gross and heinous offenders The Apostle Paul when a persecuting Saul dealt so hardly with the Cause and precious Saints of the Lord from the Conduct of what he took to be light or the light in his Conscience Christ doth also foretel us of such who should think they did God good service in killing his servants and if meer think so ● perswasions impressions motions without a demonstrable ground may be taken for divine dictates on the one part why not on the other and by consequence the Holy Spirit must be Entituled Dux omnium malorum and every evil which is the fruit of ignorance and conceit fathered on it It will warrantize a great part of the Popish inventions and orders which had their erection on the pretended inspirations and revelations of some among them who were Monkish and cloystered Votaries whose humorous abstinence moroseness and uncommanded sanctity gained credit with the people for any thing they would affirm and the Politick Clergy made their advantage of it I remember a passage of a Romanist who comeing into England and observing the multitude of Sects here he being asked which of them came nearest to the Roman Church he replied The Quakers And if the fundamental principles of Sects as such agreeing together do most exactly express their agreement and likenesse each to other the Quakers and Papists may claim Kindred upon more demonstrable terms then any other Sects whatever SECT VII The three main principles and pillars of the Roman Absurdities are 1. A Contempt of the Scriptures as insufficient to determine in all Religious Concerns 2. And therefore a necessity of some other infallible Judge which may supply that defect 3. Immediate Revelations and divine Inspirations The first of these is so apparently and abundantly proved of both Papists and Quakers in the Parallel in the close of the 12th chapter of this Book and other places here and there that I need not agitate it in this place See chap 5. The second that the Romanists build their faith on the pretence of Infallibility is not doubted by any who are in any degree acquainted with their Writings yet I shall furnish you with a few proofs In doubtful Controversies if they were not doubtful at least to some they would be no Controversies at all we must not go to the Scriptures for satisfaction but to a lively Judge which saith he as was Moses among the Israelites the Roman Bishop is among Christians And Moses whatever he
determined and commanded they ought exactly to obey without further Enquiry From whence he argues that the Pope is the Infallible and right Determiner of Controversies Charranza is a little beyond him saith he the High Priest under the Law was a certain Rule in things pertaining to God but the Evangelical High-Priest must much rather be certain in such things By the Evangelical High-Priest he means the Roman-Bishop Bellarmin de verbo Dei lib 4 argues at large for the Popes Infallibility only restrains it a little with an ex Cathedra docens to what he saith out of the Chair or as Pope which doth more then a little suit with the Quakers who if those persons among them accounted by them infallible be manifestly proved to erre in faith or practice so as they dare not deny it their refuge then is that they did not follow the light but if they had acted or believed according to the teachings and motions of the light within they had not erred But as t is a very hard matter if the Pope were allowed to be infallible in what he determines ex Cathedra to know what he doth as Pope and what as a fallible man so it is no less difficult if the Quakers light were such as they pretend to know what comes from the light and what from the foolish ignorant dark corrupt and fancy-full man Isaac Peningtons salve will cure the sore no more then the Papists who say the Pope is infallible notwithstanding the contradictions of one Pope to another and one and the same Pope to himself the doing the same thing the thinking ehe same thing the speaking the same thing this doth not unite here in this state in this nature but the doing or thinking or speaking of it in the same life yea though the doings or thoughts or words be divers yet if they proceed from the same principle and nature there is a true unity felt therein where the life alone is Judge a strange reconciliation of certain and manifest contradictions and an ascribing that to the light within which is impossible to an Omnipotent God who cannot deny or contradict himself and yet be the true God Carranza speaks boldly in the behalf of Papal Infallibility The general Ordinary and lawful Judge of all Controversies whatsoever which may arise in the businesse of Religion is the Romane Bishop whether he define any thing alone or with a General Council he is alway an infallible Judge when he doth it ex Cathedra or as pope as the chief Bishop liable to no errour The Quakers out-go the Papists far in this Fundamental of Infallibility Now he that is not infallible in his counsel and judgement and advice is not he in errour And are not the Ministers of Christ the Ministers of the Sp●rit And are they Ministers of Christ that are fallible The Papists are herein more modest then the Quakers for they acknowledge only the Pope or Pope with his Council or the Church Catholick to be infallible but the Quakers affirm it of every one of their Ministry both men and women yet he stops not here but extends it to every Quaker And you that have not that which is infallible to judge in you know not the Spirit of Christ neither can you judge of persons or things that have not the infallible judgement nor have the spiritual man neither have you the Word of God in your hearts nor Christ which is eternal and infallible all which the Quakers have to judge persons and things Thus I have shewed you that the Papists and Quakers have pretended Infallibility for their Foundation But if the Quakers shall object that they differ in that the Roman Bishop subjects all others to his sole Infallibility but the Quakers are each one infallible for themselves I answer the ground is the same only every Quaker hath a Pope in him or her self and so there are among them more Pope John's and Pope Jean's then ever were at Rome And it is apparent that G. Fox hath arrived by this pretence to a more absolute power over the Quakers in twenty odd years then the Bishops of Rome in some hundreds over professed Christians SECT VIII For the third Fundamental common to the Papists and Quakers viz. immediate revelations and divine Inspirations Dr. Stillingsteet in his Fanaticism of the Roman Church hath abundance of instances to whom I am beholden for the most of what follows on this Head Revelations have been pleaded by them the Papists in matters of doctrine such I mean which depend upon immediate impulses and inspirations since the Canon of Scripture and Apostolical Traditions Anselm mentions a divine Apparition to an Abbot in a storm whereby he was admonished to keep the Feast of the Conception of the blessed Virgin Which Revelation Wadding tells us is publickly recited in the Office for the day Another Revelation was made to Norbertus the Founder of the Praemonstratenses in which the Virgin Mary appear'd and commended her veneration to him and gave him a white Garment in token of her original innocency Which Revelation is believed by all of that Order and taken as the reason of their habit S Brigit had not one or two but many to this purpose and the latest were of Joanna a Cruce But S. Katherine of Siena had it reveal'd to her as Antonius and Cajetan say that she was conceived with original sin How often have visions and apparitions of souls been made use of to prove the doctrine of Purgatory witness the famous testimonies to this purpose out of S Gregories Dialogues and Bede s Hist which latter is recited in the late great Legend of Mr Cressy a Popish Confessor under the name of a Church-History c. We need not go so far back as Gabriel Riel to shew that the doctrine of Transubstantiation hath been proved by the appearance of a child in the Host Bellarmin very doughtily proves auricular Confession by a certain vision of a tall and terrible man with his Book in his hand which blotted out presently all the sins the humble Thief confessed vpon his knees to the Priest Upon this ground of Revelations and Inspirations most of their Popish Festivals which we call Holy-days were erected The Religious Orders were instituted among them by Enthusiastick persons upon the credit of their visions and revelations the most celebrated Orders at this day in the Roman Church are the Benedictines Carthusians Dominicans Franciscans and Jesuits It is a very fair way towards the proof of it that Bellarmin confesseth concerning the four first and that of Romoaldus that they were at first instituted by St. Benedict St. Romoaldus S. Bruno S. Dominick S Francis by the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost and for Ignatius Loyola if he do not appear as great a Fanatick i e. Enthusiast as ever hath been in the World we shall be contented to be upbraided with the