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A93887 Zerubbabel to Sanballat and Tobiah: or, The first part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. By Adam Steuart. Whereunto is added, the judgement of the reformed churches of France, Switzerland, Geneva, &c. concerning independants, who condemne them with an unanimous consent. Published by David Steuart. March 17. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 1 Steuart, Adam.; Steuart, David, fl. 1644. 1645 (1645) Wing S5494; Thomason E274_14; ESTC R209896 100,836 110

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the_o truth_n and_o with_o edification_n or_o rule_v well_o and_o believe_v not_o which_o may_v be_v do_v by_o a_o very_a wicked_a man_n mat._n 7.19_o 20_o 21_o 22_o 23._o and_o another_o may_v be_v a_o good_a man_n but_o a_o ill_a preacher_n prophet_n or_o ruler_n if_o he_o have_v sanctify_v grace_n and_o have_v not_o so_o great_a ability_n to_o preach_v or_o to_o rule_v as_o a_o other_o who_o perchance_o be_v a_o atheist_n or_o if_o he_o be_v somewhat_o negligent_a in_o the_o exercise_n of_o his_o charge_n the_o apostle_n say_v not_o that_o all_o that_o be_v in_o their_o church_n be_v saint_n either_o real_o or_o appear_o but_o to_o all_o the_o saint_n 4._o it_o be_v probable_a also_o and_o some_o of_o they_o grant_v it_o that_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n in_o those_o text_n of_o scripture_n be_v call_v saint_n or_o holy_a 1._o because_o of_o the_o holiness_n of_o the_o covenant_n 2._o or_o holy_a because_o of_o the_o holy_a confession_n 3._o or_o holy_a profession_n 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we_o can_v all_o be_v ruler_n as_o it_o appear_v 1._o cor._n 12.28_o 29._o and_o god_n have_v set_v some_o in_o the_o church_n apostles_n and_o government_n etc._n etc._n be_v all_o apostle_n &_o c_o where_o he_o say_v that_o one_o gift_n be_v not_o give_v to_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n note_v that_o he_o speak_v here_o of_o those_o gift_n or_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v call_v gratia_fw-la gratis_o data_fw-la not_o for_o our_o own_o but_o for_o other_o man_n use_n ergo_fw-la this_o order_n can_v be_v admit_v 9_o no_o confuse_a discipline_n or_o government_n of_o god_n church_n can_v be_v ordain_v by_o god_n for_o god_n be_v not_o the_o god_n of_o confusion_n 1._o cor._n 14.33_o but_o that_o wherein_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n have_v jurisdiction_n or_o juridical_a power_n be_v a_o confuse_a discipline_n or_o government_n ergo_fw-la it_o can_v be_v ordain_v by_o god_n the_o major_n will_v be_v grant_v since_o it_o be_v god_n word_n the_o minor_a be_v 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i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o officer_n and_o deut._n 23._o v._o 1_o 2_o 3._o it_o be_v command_v that_o he_o that_o be_v hurt_v by_o burst_v or_o have_v his_o privy_a member_n cut_v off_o that_o be_v a_o bastard_n a_o ammonite_n or_o a_o moabite_n shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n or_o ecclesia_fw-la even_o to_o the_o ten_o generation_n here_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n can_v signify_v the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n for_o it_o have_v be_v unjust_a to_o exclude_v any_o man_n from_o the_o real_a church_n &_o consequent_o from_o god_n covenant_n that_o desire_v to_o be_v therein_o if_o it_o have_v be_v so_o they_o can_v not_o have_v receive_v any_o proselyte_n which_o be_v against_o god_n law_n exod._n 23.48_o where_o it_o be_v command_v to_o admit_v unto_o the_o passeover_n all_o stranger_n that_o will_v be_v circumcise_v so_o that_o which_o be_v say_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o israel_n that_o be_v the_o 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acquiesce_v unto_o their_o judgement_n 27._o to_o who_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_n commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o ordination_n to_o those_o it_o be_v to_o be_v commit_v at_o this_o present_a but_o to_o church-officer_n or_o to_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o church_n alone_o do_v the_o apostle_n in_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n at_o their_o last_o farewell_o commit_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n ordination_n etc._n etc._n act_v 20._o 1_o pet._n 5._o ergo._n but_o our_o brethren_n reply_v that_o we_o can_v show_v any_o place_n in_o all_o the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o profane_a author_n where_o the_o word_n church_n be_v take_v in_o this_o signification_n viz._n for_o the_o representative_a church_n or_o congregation_n a._n whereunto_o we_o answer_v 1._o that_o the_o stile_n of_o scripture_n must_v not_o be_v seek_v in_o profane_a author_n but_o in_o scripture_n itself_o 2._o some_o give_v some_o example_n in_o profane_a author_n 3._o in_o scripture_n our_o adversary_n will_v never_o find_v any_o place_n wherein_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v take_v for_o all_o the_o real_a parochial_a church_n to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o child_n woman_n all_o those_o that_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n and_o that_o be_v notorious_o vicious_a as_o it_o be_v take_v by_o themselves_o 4._o we_o on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o confirm_v the_o signification_n wherein_o it_o be_v take_v by_o we_o viz._n for_o the_o representative_a congregation_n present_v they_o with_o these_o place_n 1_o exod._n 3._o v._o 14._o thus_o shall_v thou_o say_v unto_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n unto_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n viz._n the_o elder_n of_o israel_n gather_v together_o as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 16.2_o exod._n 12._o in_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o passeover_n v._o 3._o speak_v you_o unto_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n which_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n of_o israel_n as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 21._o and_o reason_n confirm_v it_o for_o they_o can_v not_o in_o so_o short_a a_o time_n speak_v to_o all_o the_o real_a congregation_n compose_v of_o so_o many_o thousand_o neither_o can_v they_o easy_o be_v gather_v together_o into_o one_o place_n nor_o can_v it_o be_v do_v without_o apparent_a danger_n item_n numb_a 35.24_o in_o speak_v of_o murder_n through_o ignorance_n the_o revenger_n of_o the_o blood_n and_o the_o city_n of_o refuge_n it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o congregation_n shall_v judge_v between_o the_o slay_v and_o the_o revenger_n of_o blood_n according_a to_o those_o judgement_n without_o doubt_v the_o congregation_n here_o can_v signify_v all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n 1._o because_o so_o it_o be_v expound_v deut._n 19.2_o and_o josua_n 20.4_o 5_o 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