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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
woman_n	church_n	keep_v	silence_n	2,518	5	9.9816	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A87226	Confidence encountred: or, A vindication of the lawfulness of preaching without ordination. In answer to a book published by N.E. a friend of Mr. Tho Willes, intituled, The confident questionist questioned. Together with an answer to a letter of Mr. Tho. Willes, published in the said book. By which the lawfulness of preaching without ordination is cleared, and the ordination of the national ministers proved to be a nullity. By Jer. Ives.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1658 (1658)	Wing I1094; Thomason E936_1; ESTC R207711	43,652	64

unknown phrase any part of our Question sure there is not such a word from one end to the other Methinks you speak now like one that is PUZZELED But yet for all this you say It may be understood of Masters that ought to teach their Families I pray ought not Masters teaching their Families to be actual teaching and yet you bid me prove it to be of actual teaching But you say They were not Stewards to provide Pray doth not a Master in a Family teach as a Steward and is not every good Christian to give an account of his Stewardship and doth not the Apostle Peter say 1 Pet. 4.10 of every good Christian That he is to minister as a good Steward of the manifold grace of God and yet you are so ignorant as to tell us That the Apostle exhorts to teach but not as Stewards And for your saying That this Text is spoken in general terms viz. ye ought to teach and that therefore it may respect womens teaching in the Church as well as men I answer so it might if the Scripture had not said The Women must keep silence in the Churches 1 Cor. 14.34 And this he calls a part of their subjection to the Law which the Hebrew Women were alwayes instructed in and therefore there was no need of a particular exception in this exhortation Quest 13 You query from those Queries that I ground upon 1 Cor. 14.1 24 31. Why I did not consult the London Ministers c. saying That it is vain-glory in me to make the world believe that these men have done nothing worthy my regard c. I answer as formerly If they have done enough what needs this waste that you make by writing more could you not in a few lines have referred your Reader to them for the solutions of my Questions without any more ado But further you ask If the gifts that these men had 1 Cor. 14. were not extraordinary I answer What is this to the purpose for it is no part of my Question to know whether they preached by Gifts extraordinary or ordinary but whether they preached as gifted or by Office let the Gifts be what they will for surely the greatness of their Gifts could not tolerate them to Preach contrary to a Divine Institution seeing there was no necessity it being a constituted Church as you call it that had Officers in it You go on and say That they were Prophets which you say is an Office pro tempore improperly so called Then any one that can prophesie now adays may preach by this Argument But if it be an Office improperly so called then they that prophesied are improperly called Officers so that then to speak properly they did speak to edification and comfort out of Office and as gifted Brethren And for your similitude of a Judge his place you say If such a place fall all the Sergeants about the Town may seek for it Which implies That there was some great Benefice vacant and that the Apostle would have all the Church to gape for it when he bids them covet to prophesie surely the simile can hold forth little else But pray Sir though all the Sergeants about the Town may lawfully seek for such a place may all the people about the Town seek lawfully for a Judges place when it falls for this is the case all the Church are exhorted to covet Prophesying and not some particular persons and therefore you see that the simile is besides the matter since that all a Church may lawfully covet to Prophesie but all the people in a Commonwealth cannot lawfully covet the place of a Judge Quest 14 You say My fourteenth Query is worth nothing onely you say why may not our whole Church covet as well to be ordinary Officers as to be preaching gifted Brethren and if because it is monstrous to have so many ruling Heads is it not say you as monstrous to have as many speaking Tongues Answ As for your saying My fourteenth Query is worth nothing Truely I might have answered all yours at this rate had it not been that I feared you would have been wise in your own conceit But further you say nothing indeed to that which is demanded but ask Whether for all men to covet to speak be not to make the Body as monstrous as if they did all covet to be Officers To which I answer That though they are not all to covet to speak as Officers yet it doth not follow but they may all covet to speak as God hath enabled them to the edification of the Body without making the Body monstrous for if all were to speak at once indeed this were to make the Body of Christ monstrous but to speak one after another as they are exhorted to edification and comfort hath not any thing in it of a monstrous nature Quest 15 I come to examine since Mr. Willes told the people That it is a sin for any to preach that are not ordained c. which of those several Ordinations in Christendome it is that Christ approves of Hereupon after some Questions made touching the business of Ordination which is not at all to the Question before you you demand of me Whether you may not say That all Ordinations in Christendome are approved by Christ that differ but thus circumst antially c. I answer Why did you not say so then That all the Ordinations in Christendome are accepted by Christ without asking my leave But then you must know That the Church of Rome either erre in the essentials of this Ordinance or in circumstance if in essentials then she cannot or●●in at all if but in circumstance then if you dare speak out doth not Christ approve of her Administration of it at this day by what you say in the later end of this Query But to proceed to the next in which Quest 16 I demand If a Man might not lawfully by this Opinion be ordained at Rome And thereupon you query Whether I dare say that Rome observes that Gospel purity in this Ordinance To which I answer That this was no part of my Question viz. Whether it was as purely but whether it may lawfully be obtained there But you go on and say That the substance may be there viz. at Rome Then Sir by your own Maxime it is approved by Christ since in this Ordinance they do erre but circumstantially But you go on and say That three things onely excuse in errors circumstantial The first is when the error is slight c. The second you say is a sincere a●m at the glory of God The third is in case of nocessity c. you say is this our case now and can we not have it with more purity then at Rome c. Sir I am not about to ask you Whether it may not more purely be had but whether it may be had lawfully But to proceed It seems then by your Query if a man doth not think the Church of Rome