of the Church that is of the church he is of Not forsaking the assembling of your selves together that is no one with his own church that he is of or each church with it self But there is no need of any such figure in the Texts which wee alledge but the literall sense may passe and in some places must passe or there will be no sense For 1. The persons which wee say came together they might do it they were neither so many nor so remote but they might And if the Holy Ghost say they did wee must believe it and not seek a figure when wee are not enforced to it 2. The Text in 1 Cor. 14.23 saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 when the whole church comes together Now let the Reader judge whether any of your Texts have any such fulness of words in them to sway to a meeting in one place as this one Text hath which we have brought Some of your own side have been convinced with the evidence of this Text that the church of Corinth was but one congregation and came together into one place Especially Answer seeing the Apostle writes to the Achaians 2 Cor. 1.1 1 Cor. 16.1 with 2 Cor. 9.2 11.10 Now there were other churches in that Region at least two Corinth and Cenchrea Rom. 16.1 To say nothing of the church whereof Gaius the Corinthian was the Host 1. Reply Paul writes to the Achaians no otherwise then hee doth to the Saints which call on the name of the Lord Jesus every where 1 Cor. 1.1 with 2 Cor. 1.1 2. Hee writes not to them as making one church with the Corinthians for hee mentioneth them with a note of distinction from the Corinthians 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. The places which you would have compared will not enforce any such thing For hee might have a scope that the other churches in Achaia from the Epistle hee sent to Corinth which they were to peruse as the Laodicean church was to reade the Epistle written to the Colossians should be stirred up to the same duty of contribution c. So that the onenesse of the Congregation of the church of Corinth is not yet infringed 4. Doth the Apostle write to the Achaians and were there in that Region two churches at least Corinth and Cenchrea why then doth not the Apostle say To the Churches of Achaia as in all other such cases he doth To the churches of Galatia The churches of Judea Macedonia Asia Why is the church of Corinth mentioned and the church at Genchrea wholly silenced in the first Epistle and not mentioned directly and by name in the second Hence there is mention of churches to which the women hee writes to for he saith Your women not women or all women did resort Answer Or how else could they keep selence in the churches 1 Cor. 14.34 1. These Epistles were written for the use and direction of all churches and therefore the Apostle nameth churches Reply because this was to be a standing rule for all churches and by your women the Corinthian women were primarily meant to whom the Epistle was sent yet in regard of use not they alone but they with the women of Achaia and all that call on the name of the Lord Jesus in every place It was a command intended for universall direction for the women of all other churches 2. Women were wont to go from one church to another upon occasion as Rom. 16.1 Phebe from Cenchrea went to Rome so might the Corinthian women go to other churches and in all churches must keep silence 3. Though it he said your women yet it is not said your churches but in the churches that is churches every where and the verse before gives some light hereto For hee had said As in all the churches of the Saints And he addes Let your women keep silence in the churches What churches The churches of the Saints every where POSITION IV. The visible Church in the new Testament is not Nationall as the Iewes was hence we reade of the Churches of Galatia Macedonia ludea not Church of Galatia 1 Cor. 16.1 2 Cor. 8.1 We say not that the Christian Church is Nationall Answer as was the Jewish church viz. that it hath a nationall Tabernacle Temple or House of God and solemne worship peculiar to it to which all the members or all the males must sometimes resort towards which the absent are to pray and in which the Priests in their courses do minister unto God 1. Why do you yet find fault with the Position Reply when you agree with us in the same 2. Why do you not lay down in what sense the Christian church is nationall and in what sense not nationall 3. If in any proper manner of speaking you will have the Christian church nationall meaning by nationall the Saints that live within such a nation as distinguished from the Saints of another nation in countrey and place of habitation without any othertie amongst them being all of them parts only of the Mysticall or Catholique church as wee know the Sea that washeth the British shores is called the British Sea and that which washeth the Belgick shores is called the Belgick Sea though they be not distinct Seas but parts of the great Ocean yet in reference to an adjunct of place they run by they receive distinct denominations and by a Synecdoche the parts carry the names of the whole in this sense we do yeeld the exposition or phrase of nationall church But if you mean by nationall church an instituted church of nationall extent in point of power and jurisdiction upon which particular congregations within that nation do depend wee want light that there is or ought to be any such church in the times of the Gospel For if there ought to be such a nationall church for patterns we have none as your self do confesse then in this church there must be some nationall combination nationall place for convention nationall Pastor upon which it must depend and nationall Ordinances For seeing there was no such church extant when the Gospel was written nor rules left for you would have alledg'd them we suppose had there been any how all things must be carried in such a nationall church what reason can be shewed if such a church must be why there should be a departing from the pattern of the nationall church among the Jewes in which they had all these things Therefore those seem to do best that in thir moulding of their nationall church come neerest to the example of the Jewish church Or if you will have another modell of this nationall church of your owne framing viz. a nation of Assemblies combined together and represented in their officers meeting in one place and consulting the good of the whole and executing authority over the whole then these persons must stand in relation to all and each one of the Assemblies of the Nation under their jurisdiction and so they are Nationall Officers
might meet in the place even those very persons and yet not meet as a Church as it might be said when such meet in a Synod it 's meant as a Synod to act some thing as a Synod * As convenire in Senatum is to meet as a Senate not so much referring to the place as to the persons so meeting 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 misacrum conventum Beza ibid. i. for a holy meeting Musculus in coetu sacro queÌ„ liâ—vocat Ecclesiam i. in a holy Assembly which he calleth the Church Item Pet. Mart. bid It referres not to the place nor to the persons barely meeting but to the persons meeting as a Synod to act Synodically Besides though Kahal and Synogoga may by a Metonymy be referred to place because there were places built and set apart for Church-services yet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the new Testament cannot be so taken because they had no set stated appointed places for the Christian churches to meet in your self assert so much p. 26. Nor is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 opposed to the buildings and houses in which they did eat and drink in 1 Cor. 11.19 20 21. The words are or despise yee the Church of God which respects the people the godly amongst them which told them of their fault and other Churches also as Pareus upon that place observes Unlesse you will say there must be a reverent observance of the place where the Church meets more then of all other places They met in Woods Dens Caves many times in times of persecution and must those places be more respected then mens houses where they did eat and drink in But what would you inferre if 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Church were taken for the place Would it profit you Yes for you say afterwards The Scripture calls them Church or Congregation often Answer and sometimes in respect of their severall Synagogues Psal 74.4.8 No wonder therefore if that Christians of one countrey meeting in severall Synagogues James 2.2 Heb. 10.25 Acts 19.8 9. 22.19 Acts 13.15 16 43. and houses Acts 12.12 Rom. 16.5 do receive the denomination of Churches which in Scripture phrase is all one with Assemblies many whereof we confesse were in Galatia Macedonia The place you bring from Psal 74.4.8 is impertinently alledged Reply for the Church of the Jewes which was one is not called Congregations in vers 4. in reference to divers Synagogues they met in vers 8. But Congregations there is Metonymically used and is all one with Synagogues and signifieth the place and not the people at all They roare in the midst of the Congregations that is in the midst of those places where the Congregation met which places were many but the Congregation but one having one high Priest for their chief Pastor though meeting in its parts in many places So that the Church of the Jewes is not called Congregations as Mollerus shewes upon that place Neither can you shew as wee suppose that ever any one Church was called churches in the plurall number either in the old or new Testament in reference to plurality of places they met in For if it were so how comes it that a Church in a city such as Jerusalem Corinth Ephesus and Rome which met and assembled in many places as our Brethren of the Presbyterie say are never called Churches but alwayes Church And yet a Church in the countrey meeting and assembling in many places are called Churches and not Church And you say there is no wonder of it for this reason because the Houses and Synagogues in the countrey were many in which they met See brother whether you do not in this assertion crosse your self In the city you can finde many meeting houses and but one Church but in the countrey you can finde so many Churches as meeting houses But the truth is it is not place but the combination of a Christian people to meet together for Ordinances that makes a Church For the same Church may meet sometimes together in one place for Church worship and sometimes asunder in many places for Christian worship but they are not therefore divided into sundry Churches And many distinct Churches or parts of them may meet occasionally in one place yet they become not one Church hereby but combination to enjoy Church ordinances together in a constant way makes a Church and all in a city were in this combination to enjoy ordinances together therefore they were a Church But all in a countrey could not be in such a combination to meet together constantly therefore they were not a Church but churches But you go on and say The word Kahal and Gnedah do signifie a dispersed multitude Answer that never met together that the people of Israel though divided into severall domesticall assemblies to keep the Passeover are called one Church That an Assembly is all one with Kahal Ecclesia whether it be good or bad lesse or greater that when the Israelitish men women and children were together they were but one Congregation And when all did not meet though searce half or a third part met yet they were called all the Congregation And when there was a great Assembly then the Scripture tells us there was a great Church accounting no more persons of the Church but those that were then assembled Yea Simeon and Levi's assembly is called a Church and those many which were gathered to pray in the house of Maty are called the Church though many were absent Yea four or sive in a Family joyning in the worship of God are called a Church But suppose there be truth in all that is said what are all these acceptions of the words Kahal and Ecclesia to the purpose Reply Among all these can you finde that ever any one Church is called two or more Churches For except there can be brought instances of this nature the air is but beaten all the while and our assertion stands immovable We find many churches in little Judea in which of the ennumerations of acceptions of those words Kahal Ecclesia doth it appeare that a Church that is really but one multiplies into many and is called churches and yet is but one If you finde not this we cannot believe that a whole Nation or Province of Believers are but one Church in the dayes of the Gospel Besides is your scope to confound and lose your Readers in the various acceptions of the word Assembly or Church so that when they reade the word Church or Churches they shall not be able to know what to make of it How then will they understand your Nationall Church at which your Discourse drives It had been your part to have taken your Reader by the hand and to have shewed him when the word Church is taken properly and when improperly Both you in your Nationall and wee in our Congregationall understand a people combined together into one body to worship God And in the old Testament let the words Kahal
such a Generall called to be souldiers this name shewes the intrinsecall nature of the thing to which applied Such is the name Saint when applied to the Church of God but there are other names which are extrinsecall and superadditionall to the nature of the things given to and separable and may be in some and not in other of that kinde As if one should write to the Army of such a one enriched with gold and silver apparell this is extrinsecall and casuall and may agree to some Armies and not to others such are the Epithets 1 Cor. 5. inriched with wisdome utterance c. Concerning the names Elect c. we have answered them before POSITION VI. The form of a Church is the gathering together of these visible Saints and combining and uniting them into one body by the form of a holy Covenant Deut. 29 1.10 11 12. by which is plainly shewed that a company of people become Gods people that is a Church by entring into Covenant with God If it be said they were a Church before yet that was when the Church of the lewes was constituted in Abrahams Family by Covenant You intend not that this Covenant doth make a true Church Answer but a pure Congregationall Church as it is refined according to the platform of the Gospel We intend that the combination of Saints into one body by some kinde of Covenant either expresse or implicite Reply or by some kinde of speciall bond as Dr. Ames calls it doth make a true Church The seed of Jacob and the Sechemites could not make a Church together Gen. 34.15 16. but by becoming one and they could not become one but by coming into the same Covenant therefore they say though deceitfully for they never meant it yet therein they shew how such a thing could only be done if you will be as we be that every male be circumcised then we will become one people and we would demand had those Sechemites been Believers and had this businesse been carried without guile whether they had not by this doing become one Church We conceive relation or combination into one unto domestick ends and purposes is the form of a Family and relation and combination into one unto politick and civill ends and purposes is the form of a Commonwealth and relation and combination of one man and one woman unto conjugall ends and purposes is the form of matrimoniall state and that covenant alwayes makes this relation and combination into onenesse where the persons are free from each other and no naturall tie amongst them and so relation and combination of so many Saints as do or may well meet in one place unto religious ends 〈◊〉 the enjoyment of Church-ordinances doth make a church and because the persons are free from one another therefore covenant or agreement together which is all one must make the relation A solemne expresse and verball covenant or agreement we assert to be necessary unto the purity and strength of a Church and so consequently unto the welbeing of a Church for how Saints and they alone living promiscuously in the world should yet be severed from the world with which they be in habitation mingled and how they even they alone should have communion together in all holy ordinances without expresse verball consent we cannot conceive which yet we judge ought to be if the rule be well attended which saith Nothing shall enter into the holy city which defileth Rev. 21.27 22.14 And how such loosenesse which is in our Parish-churches from which any may depart to another Parish-church without rendering any reason removing their habitation it may be but a stones cast which we conceive to be a great evill For the members in a naturall body are not so loosly joynted nor stones in any house so loosly set unto which yet a particular Church is compared Eph. 2.22 and 1 Cor. 12.27 How this evill may be prevented but by expresse agrement we cannot apprehend and therefore conceive such a covenant to be necessary to such purposes A Church-covenant s especially in relation to Church-estate Answer and Church duties as a marriage-covenant is with relation to the marriage state and marriage duties but the Covenant here enentioned was not entered into in reference to Church estate and Church duties rather then to other duties of the morall Law and may be taken by two or three though they be too few to make a Church or by persons of severall Churches in a ship or a journey and yet leave them in the same Church-state they were before and not make them members of a distinct Church A Church-covenant is especially in relation to Church duties Reply but not only so for Christian duties are comprehended under it and the Covenant in Deut. 29.1.10 11 12. respects principally Church-duties more then other duties of the morall Law as appeares from vers 16 17 18. for he warns them of Heathenish worships such which they had seen in Egypt and among the Nations and would ingage them by holy covenant to all Gods holy worships which were of his own institution of which were the worship and service of the Passeover and all the offerings of Gods prescription which were to be brought to the door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation and the covenant of two or three to perform such duties might not be taken because some of them did seal their union and communion with that body and were to be celebrated when the whole body was assembled And though a covenant binding to the performance of some of the duties of the morall Law may be made by two or three and by persons of severall Churches and yet leave them in the same Church-state and not make them members of a distinct Church from what they were of before yet not so a covenant that binds to Church-duties as if a company of persons of divers churches should covenant to meet together to pray one with another this would not make them a Church nor change their state but if they covenant to walk together in the constant enjoyment of all Church-ordinances which God requires of a Church this would make them a Church and change their state that afterwards they could not be of divers Churches but of the same Church and Body A Covenant in generall doth not make a Church nor a marriage Answer a Covenant betwixt this man and that woman makes it but a Covenant with appropriation and application to this or that Pastor or people but the Scripture covenants are not with appropriation and application to this Pastor or people viz. that they would serve God with this people or Pastor rather then with that therefore they are not Church-covenants Who ever read or heard of any Covenant in generall of duties to be done Reply without application to persons mutually ingaged to perform such duties As a covenant of duties in a marriage would be ridiculous without application to persons this man or that woman to be
which it was the sign and seal and we would demand whether Isaac were not in covenant before he was circumcised and whether his circumcision did not seal so much and alwayes this order is supposed First Gods promise Secondly mans faith Thirdly the sign and seal of both in some Symbole of Gods institution so in Baptisme How prove you that Melchisedeck a Priest and Lot Answer which were not of his seed nor family were out of Church-state That a believer is not a son of Abraham if he be not in Church state by covenant which things you seem to imply when you say the Jewish Church was constituted in Abrahams family by Church-covenant the family of Sem was the Church of God long before this 1. We assert not that they were out of Church-state Reply but this we say if they were not circumcised as we read not that they were they were not of Abrahams Church nor had the Passeover been on foot could they have partaked of it any more then Believers could afterward who joyned not to Abrahams family Cornelius may be an example 2. It is one thing to be a son of Abraham as a Believer and heire of promise for so all Believers are and an Heathen is when converted before joyned to any instituted Church and another thing to be the son of Abraham as a professed Covenanter with God and bearing the Symbole of it in his flesh in the former sense Abraham was the father of all Believers though uncircumcised and in the latter a father of the circumcised which were also of his faith as the Apostle shewes Rom 4.11.12 3. Though it be probable that there was a Church in the famimily of Sem yet that place Gen. 9.26 27. proves it not for first it is propheticall of the posterity of Sem and Japhet and respects not so far as we can discern the persons of Sem and Japhet at least not at that time being both as is probable in the family of their father Noah Secondly there might be a Church in Sems family and yet of another constitution then this in Abrahams family this hinders not but that the church in Abrahams family might be constituted by covenant POSITION VII Every Member at his admission See the like allegation in Answer to Pos 9. p. 73. doth promise to give himself as to the Lord to be guided by him so to the Church to be guided by them which is no more then the Members of the Church of Macedonia did in a parallel case 2 Cor. 8.5 The givers are not the Members of the Church of Macedonia Answer as you for your advantage phrase it but the Churches of Macedonia and therefore if this do prove Union or Covenant it is of the members of severall churches and not of one only 1. The allegation in answer to the 9th Position Reply pag. 73. runs in these words As to the Lord to be guided by him so to the Church according to God to be guided by them these words according to God are lest out whether wilfully to make the practice of our Churches the more odious or by oversight we conclude not 2. There was no intent to prove Vnion or Covenant of a Church but subjection of each member to the Church to which he is joyned himself and the officers thereof and the practice of the Churches of Macedonia by way of allusion is made use of it is said it is no more then the members of the Church of Macedonia did in a parallel case The Argument is fetcht à comparatis the members of the Church of Macedonia did as much in a like case they gave themselves to the Lord and to the Apostle and Timothy according to Gods will to be guided by the Lord and directed by them a whole Church or Churches to one or two persons gave themselves and an Argument is fetcht thence thus then may one person that is to joyn to a Church as fitly give himself to the Lord to be guided by him and to the whole Church and the Officers thereof to be directed by them according to the will of God and it is urged that a member should therefore promiseit and to call it Church of Macedonia or churches is neither advantagious nor disadvantagious for though many Churches gave themselves to be guided by one Paul because he was Officer to them all yet a members subjection will be only required to his own Church and the Officers thereof because there is no superiority of jurisdiction of one Church over another and the members thereof We believe you would be ready enough to make use of this pattern to prove that the members of a Congregation must submit to the guidance of their Pastors and why do you except against it because subjection of each member to the Church is endevoured to be proved thence seeing that the Church compriseth the Officers thereof POSITION VIII This particular Congregation is a Church before it have Officers Acts 2.47 In a generall sense a few private men without Officers yea Answer a few women without men yea twenty members of severall Churches may be called a Church but a governing Church they are not the Church hath not received an office of rule without her Officers (b) Cottons Keyes p. 16. Reply We take Churches for such churches Reply as the Apostles planted in all places when they had converted any considerable number of persons into which Saints were wont to be gathered that they might be built up and edified by the Ordinances Acts 9.31 and unto which Pastors were given to reside with them and to oversee them Acts 20.28 and these must be Congregationall Churches for Pastors cannot constantly feed any other Or we take Church as Amesius defines it * A company of faithfull ones by speciall bond betwixt themselves joyned together to exercise the communion of Saints constantly amongst themselves Coetus sidelium speciali vinculo inter se conjunctorum ad communionem sanctor um inter se constanter exercendam such an united company is the Church before it have Officers for it is their priviledge to choose their Officers as you confesse in your Answer to the next Position in which sense if in any sense at all a few private men or a few women or twenty members of severall churches have never been called a Church Now whether this Congregationall church be a Governing church or not because it is not asserted in the Position we have no occasion here of discussing it The Church in Acts 2. had Officers Answer and better Officers then any Church now hath even the Apostles which were the Elders of all Churches 1 Pet. 5.1 2 Cor. 11.28 (d) The Apostles were as Elders and Rulers of all Churches Cotton Keys p. 48 and particularly of the Church of Jerusalem and did act therein as Elders it is not all one to want Elders now they are instituted as before ordinary Elders were not appointed at that time There is a
Peter not as a Believer but as an Apostle in Office and Commission for what ever the import of the thing promised may be yet that hinders not but the promise may be made to Peter under the respect and consideration of a Believer For the thing promised in this place may be considered two wayes First as a reward in generall of grace and mercy Secondly as such a reward which importeth a power of opening and shutting the Kingdome of heaven Now the Power of the Keys considered as a reward of grace and mercy is promised to Peter as making such a glorious confession 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and I say unto thee q. d. thou hast made such a holy confession of me that I say unto thee I will not suffer thee to go unrewarded but I do promise that I will give thee the Keys of the Kingdome of heaven c. Now Peter did not confesse Christ as a generall Officer but as a Believer and therefore the reward which is the promise is made to him not as a generall Officer but as a Believer 2. As importing a power of opening and shutting and so though it be promised to Peter as a Believer and in him to all those that shall make the same holy confession of Christ that he did yet is it not to be executed either by Peter himself or any other under the notion and consideration of a Believer only but imports also an Office or State under the capacity and consideration of which it is to be executed Thus when Christ saith to Peter I will give to thee Keys c. he doth thereby promise that Peter shall be as a Member as an Elder as an Apostle in the Gospel-churches and in all these capacities shou'd have some share in the dispensation of the power of the Keys The consequent whereof is this No Believer at this day meerly as a Believer nay nor yet as a Believer externally confessing Christ with the mouth may have any share in executing the power of the Keys unlesse he be a Brother joyned to some Church or an Elder set over some Church for children for their weaknesse and women for their sex are excluded by a positive law For as the power of the Keys is promised so the State under the consideration of which they shall exercise such power yea and a Commission from Christ by which they shall exercise that power is also promised And thus Mr. Cotton may say that Peter may he considered as an Apostle an Elder a Brother because together with the power of the Keys the state of an Apostle of an Elder of a Brother is promised and yet not clash with the Elders of New-England who affirm that the power of the Keys is promised to Peter i. e. as a reward of grace and mercy as a Believer Neither need the Elders of New-England dread your three-fold consequence viz. First That the Keys are not given to any visible Church And Secondly That they are given to all Believers in covenant or no whether males or females Thirdly That Apostles and Pastors have no more power of the Keys then ordinary Believers which as they are false and absurd so it may easily appear by that which hath been said that they cannot shelter themselves under any thing in the Position of the Elders of New-England Neither will that Axiom à quatenus ad omnevalet consequentia i. from as such to all such a consequence is of force how beare you out in so unjust a charge For though it be true in such Propositions where the specificall difference is predicated of the Species or proper Accident of the Subject the proper effect of the immediate cause yet it will not hold when you speak of a Soveraign Lord acting in a transcendent way of liberty no nor of a rationall creature moving according to choyce and election Suppose you should have a servant that should prove faithfull in his place though one of the meanest places and therefore you should promise to give into his hand all the Keys of the house that he should open and shut to all the rest and this you should do looking upon him as faithfull A quatenus ad omne non valet consequentia in such a case it will not follow that every faithfull servant in your house hath the power of the Keys neither will it follow that the faithfull servant to whom the promise of the Keys much lesse every other faithfull servant as such may execute the power of the Keys For though the promise be made to that servant under the capacity of a faithfull servant yet the promise it self carries an Office by implication viz. the office of Steward under which consideration and not under the consideration of a faithfull servant he is to manage the power of the Keys Phineas the son of Eleazar the son of Aaron was zealous for God Numb 25. and God gives him the covenant of an everlasting Priesthood because he was zealous will you say that A quatenus ad omnia valebat consequentia in this case i. e. because an everlasting Priesthood was promised to Phineas because he was zealous therefore every zealous person hath an everlasting Priesthood Lastly that it was far from the purpose of the Elders of New-England to assert any such Doctrine as you would draw from their words may appeare in this Answer and elsewhere in this booke wherein they place the power of the Keys not in the body as contradistinct to the guides but in the whole consisting of Rulers and ruled giving to the Rulers an authoritative power which they give not to the ruled POSITION XXI 1 Cor. 5. Paul himself though an extraordinary Officer yet would not take upon him to excommunicate the incestuous person without the Church but sends to them exhorting them to do it (a) See also answ to 23. q. pag. 49. and reproves the Brethren of the Church of Coriuth as well as the Elders that they did no sooner put him away (b) Cotton Keys pag. 13. To prove that this Doctrine is injurious to the Text you thus reason He blames all women as well as men Answer that notwithstanding the notorious fornication which was amongst them they were puffed up and gloried c. 1. We suppose this battery is raised against those words Reply and reproves the Brethren as well as the Elders c. Now if it might be any gratification of strength to your Argument we will grant that the Apostle blames all in generall and yet the Elders may without any shew of wrong to the Text affirm that he blames the Brethren as well as the Elders for it will not follow Paul reproves the whole Church Ergo he reproves not the Brethren which are a part of the Church 2. If it be said that the wrong lies in the scope of the words For hence we go above to prove that the Brethren have ashare in the power of Church-censures Now the same argument will prove from this
text that women have a power in Church-censures because women are reproved in this place as being part of the Church We answer when an Epistle is writ to a whole Church it doth respect particular persons according to their severall capacities 1 Cor. 14.34 35. Now women are not in a capacity of dispensing Church-censures therefore the reproof is not extended unto them If things indefinitly spoken to a whole Church because they cannot be verified of one who is not in a capacity to receive them may not therefore be affirmed of another then because a liberty in cutting off offenders by vertue of Gal. 5.9.12.13 doth not belong to women neither doth it belong to Elders or Brethren for the Apostle speaketh to all Likewise because the Holy Ghost writes to the whole Church of Pergamus females as well as males and blames them for not casting out the Balaamites and the Nicolaitans which women have no power to do therefore neither doth the reproof import any such power either in Elders or Brethren This it may be you intended but as a light velitation with these lusorious expressions Sed remove ista luforia decretoriis opus est i. remove these Toyes there is need of Decrees Paul himself say you did excommunicate Alexander Answer and Hymeneus 1 Tim. 1.20 and it is not mentioned that he took the consent of the Church or Presbyterie That Paul alone did excommunicate Alexander and Hymeneus is not so cleare Reply but if we should deny it we could argue probably for the Negative Paul saith to Timothy 2 Tim. 1.6 Stir up the gift of God which is in thee by the putting on of my hands and yet Paul did but lay on hands with the Presbyterie 1 Tim. 4.14 Now if the Apostle did not act in ordination how much lesse in excommunication without the concurrence of the Church the rather because Apostles concurrence with the Church seems to make more 1. For Gods glory in the universall humiliation of the whole Church 2. For the Churches peace who are more likely to subscribe to the equity of those proceedings of which themselves have the cognizance then if they were carried on by a transcendent and superiour motion of Apostolicall power 3. For the edification of the Church in seeing and hearing and concurring in the whole businesse 4. For the attainment of the end of excommunication both the more immediate viz. Non-communion with the party and the more nemote noble end viz. the healing of the party and of the offence 2. Let what is assumed be granted yet we suppose you will make no gain of it For 1. It will not necessarily follow Paul did excommunicate Hymeneus and Alexander himself therefore Paul did without the consent of the Church of Corinth excommunicate the incestuous person For it was but sutable to the holy and self denying frame of the Apostles spirit Jure suo cedere to remit something of his own right 2. Neither is it so much as probablely convincing if we consider that the Holy Ghost makes the subject excommunicating to be the Church of Corinth 1 Cor. 5.4 5. 'T is the Church of Corinth whom the Apostle requires to purge out the old leaven vers 7. 'T is the Church of Corinth in which the Apostle states the power of judging vers 12. do not ye judge them that are within The Apostle saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Answer I have judged as though I were c. which imports rather that Paul himself would deliver him to Satan then that he exhorts them to do it Indeed he commands them to put him away as he writes to them to restore him again to see if they would be obedient in all things 2 Cor. 2.9 Brother we cannot but observe Reply that you manage this argument something tenderly as if you did suspect the ground you tread on for you say not that the words import that Paul would deliver him to Satan himself and not that he exhorts the Corinthians to do it but you say that they import rather the one then the other and this amounts to as much as nothing to the purpose For in regard of the affinity the words may have with the one importment more then the other they may be said to import the one rather then the other and yet in their proper sense import neither Luke 18.14 The Publican is said to go away justified rather then the Pharisee and yet the words do not positively import that either of them were justified And yet you have a good minde to make your Reader believe that Paul himself delivers him to Satan and not the Corinthian Church by their authority and this you prove From the Gammaticall Syntax of the words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Answ Doubtlesse there must be an Accusative case importing the subject delivering understood and this must be either 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with reference to the Apostle or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with relation to the Church Not the first as we conceive 1. For if so it is probable the Apostle would have said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I have delivered him that hath so done this thing to Satan and have commanded the Church only to take notice of it and to abstain from communion with him 2. The Apostles judgment was such a judgement as was passed at the writing of the Epistle and therefore the Apostle saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I have judged or I have judged already him that hath done this thing and therefore his judgement of the man was not the actuall casting out of him but only a judgement that the Church should passe the judgement of Excommunication against him assuring them that not only his spirit but the power of Christ should go along with them 3. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 To deliver to Satan notes such a publike and solemn transaction of an Ordinance as Paul was in no possible capacity to do for he did nothing by proxie being absent For it notes 1. A publike binding of the person under the guilt of sin by the Key of Faith 2. An observable exemplary ejection of the person out of the fraternity of the Church and a shutting of the door of communion against him untill he repent by the Key of Church order Now must the whole come together and look one upon another in silence and upon the incestuous person imagining him to be thus excommunicate because Paul had judged to have him excommunicate and so after this dumb shew depart one from another Therefore we conceive 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must be understood as going before the Infinitive 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and to relate to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 according to the rule of Grammarians Si infinitivus Participium praecedens pertinent ad eandem persmam non additur accusativus personae sed subintelligitur But it may be you will say Objection that you affirm that the Church is commanded to do it and therefore
to the Text to which we answer 1. Here also you fall short of that ingenuity professed in your Preface for doubtlesse Mr. Cotton Reply that denies any ordinary exercise of Prophecy by men not called to the Ministery cannot but in your judgement come neerer the truth then those that say at least as you give it out that gifted men not called to the Ministery nor intended for it may preach which imply to be meant in an ordinary and stated way When you say yet that these did preach ordinarily and usually to the Churches like to Pastors is impossible to be proved Now though you style Mr. Cotton deservedly the Chief of the more ingenuous sort of Congregationall men yet you neither help forward accommodation nor honour Mr. Cottons ingenuity by the least mention of it as you professe 2. You are so far from helping forward accommodation that I know not how to excuse you from making the breach greater then it was For we have consulted advisedly with 73. 80th pages of the 32. Quest and we can find no such Position as you fasten upon the Elders For page 73. they answer the 21. Quest viz. Whether do you hold it lawfull for mere lay or private-men to ordain Ministers in any case And having proved the Affirmative by reasons grounded upon the Word of God they come to urge the consent of some worthy Divines and learned Writers as Doctor Willet Morney Whitakers and others and in the Allegation of Morney they shew that Morney expresseth himself that some of our men expected not the calling of those that under the title of Pastors oppressed the flock but did at first preach without this formall calling and afterwards were called to the Holy Ministery of the Word by the Churches and for this we have examples saith Morney First in the Acts where we read that Philip was but a Deacon preached in Samaria without the calling of the Apostles yea without their privity who for all that gave their allowance to that work So that here he speaks not of an ordinary and usuall course in preaching to the Churches without Office but an extraordinary case of those that because of the corruptions of the times preached to the people without the calling of the Prelates in such places where they had either no Officers or Popish Officers neither doth he speak of gifted men that intended not the Ministery but of gifted men that because they durst not enter by the ordinary door of Prelaticall ordination preached to the people by vertue of their gifts and that internall Prothumie or desire which God had wrought in them and so soon as by the blessing of God upon their endeavours they had so far prevailed as that there were Churches giving them a calling they imbraced that call And this is that he proves lawfull by the Allegation of Philips example So in the 80. page their scope is to shew that the Word may be made effectuall to Conversion though the man that speaks it be not a Church-officer For the people of which they alledge the preaching of those that were scattered by the Persecution of Stephen Acts 8.4 and 11.19 20 21. and Job 4.39 where many of the Samaritans believed upon the saying of the woman of Samaria and that 1 Cor. 7.16 What knowest thou O woman but thou shalt gain thy husband So that you do most miserably wrest their Allegations quite to another purpose then that for which they intended them for they never intended hereby to prove the lawfulnesse of preaching by vertue of gifts without Office but only that those which do preach without Office may be instruments of conversion much lesse did they intend as you would make the world believe that these did preach ordinarily and usually to the Churches like Pastors and received maintenance for they speak of such a kinde of preaching as may be done by a gifted woman as the woman of Samaria or the believing wife 1 Cor. 7. as well as by a gifted man Neither do they speak of the preaching of these that were scattered as it was ordinary and usuall and like unto Pastors but only as performed by men who all of them at least say they were not Church-officers and yet proved effectuall for conversion When we read your marginall note viz. This is but a little altered from Answ to 32. Quest p. 80.73 we imagined at first sight you had made some small alteration in the language and phrase which we could well have born with but we finde that you have made an alteration in the very scope and subject mater insisted upon by the Elders You have taken away their living childe and laid your own dead childe in the room of it so that in your margent we have you though in a mincing extenuating what Ciecro desires his adversary viz. Confitentem reâ—â—â—â— confessing your own guilt which is the greatest expression of ingenulty of all others in this Section 3. But that we may give satisfaction to you and to all men if it be the will of God we shall first declare our judgement concerning the point in debate and then answer your Arguments so far as we conceive them invalid First then we conceive that all the members of the Church so far as their occasions and calling will permit should strive after ability by way of prophesying to speak to exhortation edification and comfort a Hee Prophetiae donum tanquamalus praestantms maximè commendat Apostolus cuiomâ—es studeant 1 Cor. 14.1 2. Parâ—us in Rom. 12. col 1197. i. e. This gift of Propecie as more excellent then the other gifts the Apostle most commends for which all should cover 1 Cor. 14.1 2. 1 Cor. 1 p. 1. and the Hebrewes ought to have been teachers of others though they stood in need to be taught the very Principles of Religion Hebr. 5.12 2. There are for the most part and may alwayes lawfully be some in the Church who devote themselves to the study of the Scriptures and other profitable studies that so they may be the better inabled to understand the meaning of the Word Such were those sons of the Prophets bred up under the Prophets 1 Sam. 19.20 1 King 20.35 2 King 2.3.5 Such were many of our Saviours Disciples who addicted themselves wholly to learn to be fishers of men Such it is probable were some of those Prophets which were in Corinth Antioch and other Churches For the Rules to be observed in the exercise of Prophecie were not proper to the Church of Corinth alone but the same were ordained in all Churches 1 Cor. 14.33 And therefore Prophets whom the Rules concern were or might be in all Churches for having no publike Vniversities or Colledges for Christians 't is probable this was the way of training up men for the work of the Ministery under the Teaching Officers of the severall Churches 3. That ordinarily God chose of those that were sons of the Prophets to be Prophets yet this was not
Princes might preach but as King and Princes gifted and singularly stirred up to the work by Almighty God That a King and Princes eminently gifted and stirred up by an internall prothumie and desire wrought upon their spirits to preach is of perpetuall use in all such cases of defection as was in Jehosaphats time Nor will this confound the matters of God and the Kings matters But still the Priests and Levites shall preach ordinarily by vertue of Office and the King and Princes only occasionally by vertue of gifts And as they may preach themselves in all such cases so they may send forth eminently gifted men though the Churches through corruption should neglect or refuse to call them and this belongs to Civill Magistrates as they are custodes utriusque tabulae Neither are Kings or those sent out by them limited to particular Congregations but may call the people to such places and at such times as they shall judge most to tend to edification Thus Joshua called all Israel to Sechem Josh 24.1 and preached unto them before his death They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the Sea Isaiah 11.9 Thus saith JEHOVAH Stand ye in the wayes and see and ask for the old paths where is the good way and walk therein and ye shall find rest for your souls Jeremiah 6.16 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision but a new creature And as many as walk according to this rule Peace be on them and mercy and upon the Israel of God Gal. 6.15 16. A TABLE of the Texts of Scriptures cited Discussed and cleared from mis-interpretations in this BOOK GENESIS 9. vers 26 27. Whether a Church in Sems family page 43 Gen. 12.3 22.16.18 with Gal. 3.17 as Acts 3.25 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 42 Gen. 17.1.9 Whether it was a covenant only on Gods part p. ibid. EXODUS 12.3.21 Whether the word Congregation and Elders are all one there p. 53 Exod. 12.47 Ingaged by covenant to serve God together page 40 Exod. 34.23 24. All the Churches males must meet together for worship in one place page 14 NUMBERS 8.9 10. with vers 6 7 13 14 18 19. All the Congregation must lay hands on the Levites how page 52 44 55 Numb 11.29 I wish all could prophesie page 125 128 Numb 25. Phinehas his zeal Hence Gods covenant with him and his ergo page 49 DEUTERONOMY 16.2.16 See Exod. 34.23 All males to meet page 14 Deut. 29.1.10.12 Whether a covenant makes a Church page 37 39 40 2 KINGS 2.3.5 Gods will revealed by Prophets and others page 122 2 CHRONICLES 17.7 Princes sent to teach the people page 118 2 Chron. 20.25.20 King Jehosaphat prayeth and teacheth Israel page 118 NEHEMIAH 10.38 Levites were tythed Tythes are a Jewish maintenance page 61 PSALME 30.7 My Mount so strong What page 68 Psal 46.2 Mountains into Sea what it signifieth ibid. Psal 74.4.8 Burnt up Synagogues What page 26 ISAIAH 4.5 Gospel-church is called Sion page 71 Isai 61.20 Gospel in Old-Testaments language ibid. Isai 9.6 7. Christ is the churches King page 104 JEREMIAH 51.25 Fire signifies oppositions page 68 HOSEAH 2.2 Members may plead with the Church page 59 ZACHARIAH 4.7 What is that great Mountain page 68 Zach. 14.19 Gospel in Old Testaments language page 71 MALACHI 3.8 Tithes as offerings are Jewish page 61 MATTHEW 16.19 Of Church-binding and loosing page 89 90 Mat. 18.17 Tell the Church What Church it is p. 2 36 Not a Classicall nor Nationall church c. page 86-89 Mat. 18.20 A Church is Sion and hath the promises to it page 71 73 Mat. 20.25 26. Ministers are not Lords page 78 79 Mat. 28.19 20. In that Commission to the Apostles is no mention of ordination nor in that Mar. 16.15 16. page 56 57 Was not given to them as Apostles page 91 MARK 12.41 The use of the Church treasurie page 67 LUKE 8.2 3. Christ received contribution page 62 Luke 22.25 26. Ministers are not as Lords page 78 79 81 JOHN 8 20. Church treasury for what page 67 Joh. 13.29 From contribution was distribution page 62 Joh. 20.23 The Key given Peter with the rest page 92 ACTS 1.15 A few begin a Church page 9 12 13 Act. 1.15.23 A Church hath full power to choose her own officers page 46 11 9 Act. 1.26 By common vote or suffrage page 49 Act. 2.4.10 Gifts make not officers page 128 V. 40. The Church was separated page 2 48 Vers 41. Whether they they were a church before page 10 13 V. 45. Whole estates put into the common stock page 62 V. 47. A Church before Officers page 45 Act. 4.35 Selling whole estates not binding to all times but extraordinary page 62 Act. 4.17.19.21 5.28 29. Preaching when men forbid to obey Christ page 6 Act. 4.26 Took counsell together how page 19 Act. 5.28 29. Obey and hearken to God most page 1 2 3 4 6 Act. 6.1 Of the Deacons office page 62 Vers 3. The Church must look out seven men page 46 51 Act. 6.4 Prayer one work of a Minister page 57 62 Act. 8.4.12 Preaching without office page 119 Act. 9.26 27. Satisfaction of members before they be received in page 34 Vers 31. The head of Church-fellowship is not conversion but edification page 35 Act. 11.19 Jews were first preached to page 2 Ver. 19. Some not in office may preach page 118 V. 20.21 Some converted others gathered them page 4 Act. 13.2 3. Paul set apart by God and the Church page 49 Act. 14.23 Churches before officers to them page 46 Act. 14.27 Paul and Barnabas sent by Church also page 123 Officers ordained by peoples election page 46 51 Act. 18.2.26 Aquila and Priscilla at Corinth page 11 Act. 19.1.9 Paul separated such at himself converted not page 4 Vers 37. Robbers of Temples not of churches page 25 Act. 20.28 Elders must see to the flock page 107 112 Act. 21.22 Myriads What not all those of one Church but of many churches page 14 15 30 31 ROMANS 4.11 12. Abraham father of the faithfull circumcised and uncircumcised page 43 Rom. 12.6 Of prophecy page 125 Rom. 12.7 8. Teacher and Pastor are distinct page 70 Vers 13. Distribute to the necessity of Saints page 63 Rom. 15.26 Romans to contribute to Jerusalem page 64 Rom. 16.1 2. Recommending members to another church to receive them page 117 1 CORINTHIANS 1. v. 1. All Saints of Corinth of one Church page 15 16 Qu. Whether this be writ to all Saints or no page 16 20 1 Cor. 1.1 2. Church-members to be visible Saints and what triall of Saints herein page 31 Vers 17. Preaching is a Ministers great work page 57 1 Cor. 5.5 6. Purge out the old leaven page 29 30 36 Vers 5. Excommunicating there whether done by Paul or to be by the Churches power page 95 97 98 1 Cor. 5.12 Whether some
believers may be said to be WITHOUT in that sense page 74 75 76 1 Cor. 7.16 Gifted men or women may convert page 120 1 Cor. 11.19 The Church whether it is the place page 25 26 Vers 20. A church meeting in one place page 13-31 1 Cor. 14.1 2.3.33 All must covet the gift of prophecy page 121 124 V. 12.31 Such may page 128 1 Cor. 14.23 This is discussed fully there page 13 to 31 V. 32. Spirit of Prophets subject page 126 1 Cor. 12.8 Pastor and Teachers gifts distinct page 70 1 Cor. 12.9.29 All had not all gifts page 125 V. 28. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Helps put for Deacons page 63 1 Cor. 14.1.3 Prophecying hath something ordinary something extraordinary p. 118 Vers 34. Women to be silent in your churches What churches means he p. 21 Not to use power in churches page 91 95 1 Cor. 15.6 Christ appeared to five hundred brethren at once in Jerusalem page 11 1 Cor. 16.1 2 Cor. 8.1 Churches whether Nationall churches page 21 to 31 1 Cor. 16.1 Ministers to be maintained by the churches contributions every first day scanned page 60 61 Vers 1.2 Every first dayes contribution proved page 64 Qu. Whether those collections were to cease page 65 Hence for maintaining the Ministers proved page 66 2 CORINTH 2.9 Church excommunicates and not Paul alone page 97 2 Cor. 3.1 Letters of recommendation to others page 117 2 Cor. 6.16 A Church is Gods Temple page 71 2 Cor. 8.5 Such give themselves to the Lord and to them page 44 2 Cor. 8.18 19. Many churches may choose one to do them service page 30 GALATIANS 3.16 17. And in thy seed not to page 42 Gal. 5.9.12.15 Church to cut off offenfenders page 95 Gal. 6.6 Opening the communicating to Ministers page 63 EPHESIANS 2.22 A house of stones united page 38 Eph. 4.11 Teachers and Pastors are distinct page 69 Eph. 5.25 26. Is of the Church mysticall page 28 PHILIPPIANS 1.7 Churches to be of reputed Saints page 32 Phil. 4.15 Giving and receiving are acts of communion page 63 COLOSSIANS 4.17 A Church hath power to censure her officers page 58 59 1 TIMOTHY 1.20 Whether Paul alone excommunicated Hymeneus page 96 1. Tim. 3.8 Deacons office is not temporary page 63 1 Tim. 3.10 One unofficed may preach page 58 1 Tim. 4.14 Elders laid on hands page 96 1 Tim. 5.17 Whether ruling Elders must be maintained by the Church page 60 1 Tim. 6.13 14. That Christ left but one way of Church discipline which must be kept to the end of the world page 107 2 TIMOTHY 1.6 Whether Paul laid on hands alone page 96 JAMES 1.1 with Jam. 2.2 Whether all the twelve Tribes were one Church or how called your Synagogues page 18 19 1 PETER 2.5 A Church of living stones page 36 1 Pet. 2.25 Shepheard and Bishop there are one and the same page 69 1 Pet. 4.14 Ministers not to be Bishops in anothers Dioces page 111 1 Pet. 5.1 Apostles were Elders of all Churches page 46 1 Pet. 5.3 Elders are not Lords over Gods Heritage page 78 3 d. Epist JOHN vers 9. Diotrephes that loved preeminence how blamed page 78 81 REVELATIONS 1.6 Kings and Priests distinguished page 127 Rev. 2.11 The Spirit speaks not to the Angel alone but also to the churches page 101 Rev. 4.14 The Church hath Crownes which implies it hath authority ibid. Rev. 8.8 9. A great Mountain cast into the Sea what it means page 68 Rev. 13.1 15.2 Sea put for the Church or the Churches Religion page 68 Rev. 15.3 Christ is the King of the Church page 104 Rev. 21.27 Rev. 22.14 Nothing shall enter into the Holy City the Church that defileth page 38 Some Greek words and phrases opened herein 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whether in one place or in one minde page 18 20 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Kak Synagoga and Hebrew Gnedah Kahal What page 24 25 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Every first day cleared 1 Cor. 16.1 2. page 65 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I have judged to deliver What page 97 98 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For this I wrote page 99 Errata PAge 35. line 4. à fine reade converted p. 36. l. 5. à fine given Paul r. given by Paul p. 37. l. 9. r. 1 Cor. 1.5 p. 49. l. 10. à fine 2 3 23. dele 23. p. 52. l. 4. à fine 19.2 W. r. 19.2 p. 65. l. 9. Matth. 18. r. 28. p. 83. circa med Luke 24. r. 14. p. 110. l. 4. r. presidents p. 114. circa med 2 Thes r. 1 Thes p. 121. r. 1 Cor. 14.1.3 FINIS