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A66588	The spirit of delusion reproved, or, The Quakers cause fairly heard and justly condemned being an answer to William Penn, George Fox, George Whitehead, George Keith, Edward Burroughs, and several other the most leading men amongst them : wherein their horrid perversion and false and dangerous interpretations of above 50 distinct texts of Holy Scriptures are plainly evinced / by Thomas Wilson, rector of Arrow in Warwick-shire.	Wilson, Thomas, 17th cent.	1678 (1678)	Wing W2938; ESTC R33673	83,618	179

7.30 The Pharisees were not Baptised of him See Luk. 2.1.3 Act. 24.5 and 2.47 Eph. 5.24 Ph. 2.21 But indeed told he her inwardly of every word she had spoken and of every thought she had conceived every step she had taken every scrat she had given her Head every bit of Bread she had eaten every sigh prayer bargain cough breath spitting that she was concerned in from her youth to that present time Did he bring all these before her To what purpose should it be I can sooner believe that a Saint or Angel especially in Heaven can hear all the Papists that call upon him at once throughout the world And from hence let them fetch a proof for their Doctrine and Practice in that particular for ever after which I believe they never dreamed on before and do you Quakers answer them I believe choose you whether you will or not that if after this discourse one had asked this Woman of an hundred things which she had done yes of an hundred sins which she had committed in thought word and deed she would have been found as ignorant of them as you are and that not only as you may say because they presently after their appearance vanished away again but because they never appeared at all Ibid. p. 17.18 19. But say the Preachers of the Man-made Ministry Women ought not to Preach because the Apostle expresly saith But I suffer not a Woman to Teach nor c. 1 Tim. 2.12 What if I should understand by the Woman in this place the flesh as Bernard doth Let them leave off their insolent words against Quakers as if they understood the Scriptures all contrary to the mind of the Antient Fathers Some going about to represent it as a ridiculous Exposition to expound the Woman the Flesh I give them this advice Let them hear Bernard If I should so far condescend to them as to take the words of Paul for Women in the common sense of speech what would they gain by it Forster's Guid. Pref. Thou hast lost thy state of happiness by hearkening to the Woman thy fallen reason who is not to speak in the Church For my part I was in some doubt whether you did thus expound the Text when I read the charge in your Adversaries Books conceiting you might only make an Allegory or allusion But now I see it is granted to be your downright exposition and to take Woman literally is a condescension to us But we need not your favour for from the Apostles words we shall extort it from you Which are these v. 8. c. I will that men pray every where lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting In like manner also that Women adorn themselves in modest Apparel with shamefacedness and sobriety not with broidered hair or Gold or Pearls or costly aray but as becometh Women professing godliness with good works Let the Woman learn in silence with all subjection But I suffer not a Woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the Man but to be in silence For Adam was first formed then Eve For 1 as men here are real men and what is spoken of them ought to be taken in the literal sense so are Women here real Women and what is spoken of them ought so likewise to be taken there being not the least expressed that signifies the contrary Women adorning themselves with Apparel Women professing Godliness signifies as much literally as Men Praying Men lifting up hands without wrath doth And therefore so doth the Womans learning in silence the Womans not Teaching not Usurping Authority over the Man the plural Number being only changed into the singular which singular also hath a plural signification as is usual and as you find again v. 15. and as is evident from the parallel place where the plural is expressed 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law and if they will learn any thing let them ask their Husbands at home for it is a shame for Women to speak in the Church Where observe lest you should still resist the Women are such as have Husbands and those at home and that as distinct from the Church viz. in their several houses and unto real Women in the literal sense did the Law speak commanding them to be under obedience even as of real Women in the literal sense it spake in the same place of their bringing forth children in Sorrow Gen. 3.16 Such therefore and in the literal sense are here to be understood and therefore such in the same sense in our present Text it being altogether the same with this 2 Men and Women are here distinguished the different Sexes Male and Female are spoken of such as Adam and Eve were For the Apostle shews distinctly what the one should do and what the other Whereas according to your sense no such distinction ought to be understood for that flesh or fallen reason belongs to the Male as well as Female So that if that be as you say it is the meaning of Woman then the Male as well as Female is prohibited to teach and usurp authority And so one of you speaks Parker's Testimony p. 30. Christ is one in the Female as well as Male and where he Rules he may and ought to speak and this is according to Scripture But let the Woman be silent According to this Author the Man as well as the Woman is flesh and fallen reason for that it may be likewise said Let the Man be silent let Christ only speak Thus the Woman is become the Man which is contrary to the Apostles discourse which makes an absolute difference 3 You make the Apostle say thus I suffer not the flesh and fallen reason to teach and usurp Authority over the man for Adam was first formed then Eve Which is incongruous and therefore not the Apostles mind Thus having shewed the true sense to be the literal I tell you now as you ask what we shall gain by it viz. That you have false interpreted and a greater thing than that your suffering Women to Teach is contrary to the Apostles Doctrine who says I suffer them not But you will reply not so however For thus says G. K. Ibid. p. 21. What sort of Women is it that Paul doth not permit to speak in the Church 1 Cor. 14. 1 Tim. 2 Let us look into the Context of both places and that will clear it For they are 1 Unlearned 2 Tatling 3 Unruly proud Women All which is implied in these words Let the Woman learn in Silence with all Subjection 4 Vain given to gaudy Apparel 5 Such as Usurped Authority over the Man 6 Such as were in the Transgression as the first Woman was 7 Such as Transgress the Law and are not come to be under Grace So a seven-fold sort of Women are not permitted by Paul to speak in

the Church Well then the literal sense is granted and we need not your condescention in admitting it For unlearned tatling unruly Women are real Women and their speaking is real speaking And then I require you to shew and not barely to say it that St. Paul means by Women the flesh and fallen reason not that you may so use his words but that this is his mind for to expound as you do here is to give the sense intended If yet notwithstanding your words you do not grant the literal sense then you have done vainly in giving us divers sorts of real Women and your whole discourse following in your Book which proceeds of these is idle But I must take it for granted that real Women are meant and now my task must be to consider whether the Apostle so speaks as that we may see he doth not forbid all sorts of Women to speak in the Church The Context of both places which you say will clear that he doth not shall be represented 1 Cor. 14.34 35. But let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted to them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law And if they will learn any thing let them ask their Husbands at home for it is a shame for Women to speak in the Church This is all he speaks in this place And where is the distinction he makes telling us these may these may not speak in the Church or what is that which intimates so much But observe your women means not this all sorts And They are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law Are not good as well as bad to be under obedience And said not the Law so to all Gen. 3.16 Again It is a shame for them to speak in the Church Why so but because this is to Usurp Authority Which to do is a shame to the best as well as worst And know you that the Apostle discourses throughout the Chapter of such persons as had gifts of the Holy Ghost and upon that account are called spiritual v. 1.12 15 16 37. See c. 3.1 12.1 Gal. 6.1 So that these Women as well as others must keep silence in the Church The other place 1 Tim. 2. runs thus v. 9. c. I will that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamefacedness and sobriety not with broidered hair but as becometh women professing godliness with good works Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection Is this to say Women that adorn not themselves in modest apparel with shamefacedness nor good works must learn in silence Or is it not to say Women must adorn themselves so and they must learn in silence If this be not the sense I despair of ever understanding plain words And then as all Women must so adorn themselves so must all learn in silence even they that are so adorned as the Text plainly shews For say if you dare such are not to learn in silence with subjection It follows But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to Vsurp Authority over the Man but to be in silence Not a Woman this is as universal as can be spoken and cannot signify a vain foolish proud Woman only For then it would follow such as are not so may Usurp Authority over the Men. And then the better Women are the worse will Mens condition be if to be usurped over signify ill to them as I think all men will grant though perhaps some Women will not And note this Woman-teaching is either the same or else such another thing as usurping authority over the Man which to all right minds signifies bad enough It follows For Adam was first formed then Eve Speaks this to idle Women only It speaks to all the Sex telling them that Man was designed of God to be the Superior in that he was first created and the Woman after him and out of him and for his use Such another universal reason follows And Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the Transgression How good and wise soever Women are the consideration that all sin and misery first came upon us by their Sex should keep them in subjection Now when the Apostle says I suffer not a woman to Teach nor to Vsurp Authority over the Man whether his mind be as you say it is that such Women may not Teach as usurp Authority or whether it be not as his very words are Women none of them may Teach nor usurp Authority I leave to the Reader to judge And so when he subjoins For Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the Transgression whether it be not a reason why no Woman whatever should Teach or usurp Authority over the Man or whether as you say his meaning is that such as are in the Transgression as Eve was must not Teach or usurp Authority over the Man let the Reader also judge Thus I have shewed both that real Women in the literal sense are meant and all sorts of them But yet you say p. 22. What if Paul had said concerning all Women at Corinth and Ephesus that he did not permit them to spake will it therefore follow that Women are not to spake in any case in the Church They might at that time being but young not have the requisite qualifications 1 He forbids not any sort of speaking but Teaching and any such speaking which signifies usurping Authority over the Man and is contrary to the Womans subjection as his words sufficiently express 2 Since the Church of Corinth was enriched in all spiritual gifts 1 Cor 1.5.7 Chap. 12. Chap. 14. it is not probable that none of the Women were partakers of the same and sufficiently qualified as the Men were 3 There is not the least intimation of any such thing as their imperfect qualifications and that this was the reason of the Apostles prohibition but his Arguments as hath been shewed are all of an universal nature and his prohibition absolute To conclude As you say Hear Bernard so say I hear Tertullian De Veland Virg. Chap. 9. Non permittitur Mulieri c. It is not permitted a Woman to Speak in the Church nor to Teach nor to Baptise nor to Offer nor to do any of the Mans Office much less to exercise the Priestly function And how can that be lawful to a Virgin which is not lawful to any Woman Advers Haer. Chap 4.1 The Heretical Women are so malepert that they dare to Teach to Contend to Exorcise to undertake cures and perhaps to Baptise Women-Preach p. 15. They have scraped out of many old Authors They have stolen the words of God concerning the experiences of the Saints as the False Prophets of old of whom the Lord said Jer. 23.30 31 32. Behold I am against the False Prophets which steal my Words They shall not Profit my People at all And is not this fulfilled abundantly where is

Interpretations to consult the Text as it stands in the Bible Pro. 15.28 The heart of the Righteous Studieth to answer but the Mouth of the Wicked poureth forth evil things FINIS THE TEXTS Vindicated ISa. 2.3 4. Out of Sion shall go forth the Law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem and he shall judge among the Nations Psal. 119. The word of the Lord. Prov. 6.24 To keep thee from the evil woman Rev. 5.6 Seven Spirits of God 2 Cor. 12.2 Caught up to the third Heaven Joh. 6.50 51. This is the Bread which cometh down from Heaven And the Bread which I will give is my Flesh which I will give for the Life of the world Joh. 17.24 Father I will that those thou hast given me be with me where I am that they may behold my Glory which thou hast given me Jam. 5.9 Grudge not lest ye be condemned Behold The Judge standeth before the door Heb. 9.28 Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto Salvation Act. 1.11 This same Jesus that is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into Heaven 2 Pet. 1.19 We have also a more sure word of Prophecy whereunto you do well to take heed c. 1 Cor. 12.7 The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal 1 Cor. 11.29 He that Eateth and Drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the Lord's Body 1 Cor. 11.25 This do ye as oft as ye drink it in remembrance of me c. 10.21 Ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's Table and the Table of Devils 1 Cor. 11.26 As often as ye eat this Bread and Drink this Cup ye shew the Lord's Death till he come 1 Joh. 4.2 3. Every Spirit that confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is of God And every Spirit that confesseth not Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is not of God And this is that Spirit of Antichrist c. Joh. 4.29 Come see a man which told me all things which ever I did 1 Tim. 2.12 But I suffer not a Woman to Teach c. 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted to them to speak but c. Jer. 23.30 31 32. I am against the Prophets which steal my Word every one from his neighbour that say He saith that Prophesie false Dreams and cause my people to erre by their Lies yet I sent them not Therefore they shall not profit this people at all Mat. 6.5 They love to pray standing in the Synagogues and in the corners of Streets that they may be seen of men Mat. 23.6 And love uppermost Rooms at Feasts and Chief-seats in the Synagogues and greetings in the Market and to be called of Men Rabbi Rabbi but be not ye called Rabbi c. neither be ye called Master for one is your Master Christ. Jer. 5.31 The Prophets Prophesie falsly and the Priests bear rule by their means Rev. 17.15 13.7 Power was given the Beast over all Kindreds and Tongues c. 1 Cor. 15.22 As in Adam all die so in Christ shall all be made alive Rom. 13.1 Let every Soul be subject to the Higher Powers Rom. 1.16 I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isa. 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony c. Rev. 19.10 The Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of Prophecy Isa. 47.5 Sit in silence c. Isa. 15.1 Kir of Moab is laid wast and brought to silence Psal. 31.18 Let the lying Lips be put to silence 1 Cor. 13.8 Tongues shall cease Joh. 15.3 Now are ye clean through the word which I have spoken unto you 2 Cor. 5.19 And hath committed unto us the word of Reconciliation 2 Cor. 3.6 Who hath also made us able Ministers of the New-Testament not of the Letter but of the Spirit c. Est. 6.2 Mordecay bowed not c. 1 Pet. 2.17 Honour all Men. Honour the King Lev. 19.15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment thou shalt not respect the person of the Poor nor Honour the person of the Mighty c. Luk. 15.21 22. Master we know thou sayest and teachest rightly neither acceptest thou the person of any Jam. 2.2 Have not the Faith of our Lord Jesus with respect of persons for if there come c. Mat. 5.33 34. But I say unto you Swear not at all c. Act. 7.38 39. This is he which was in the wilderness Mat. 10.34 I came not to send Peace but a Sword Joh. 15.22 If I had not come and spoken unto them they had not had sin c. 12.46 I am come a Light into the world Mat. 28.19 Baptising them in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost Mark 16.16 He that Believeth and is Baptized shall be saved 1 Joh. 3.9 Whosoever is Born of God doth not commit sin Rom. 14.7 Render to all their dues Tribute c. Rev. 11.7 8. The Beast shall kill the two Witnesses c. c. 17.5 Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots 2 Thes. 2.4 The Man of Sin sitteth in the Temple of God FINIS Books Printed and are to be Sold by Benjamin Harris at the Stationers-Arms at the East-end of the Royal-Exchange in Cornhil Octavo and Twelves A Confession of Faith put forth by the Elders and Brethren of many Congregations of Christians Baptized upon Profession of their Faith in London and the Country Lately Published Price 1 s. 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The Rest that every one shall have that comes unto Christ Delivered in several Sermons from Matthew 11.28 By John Hopwood Preacher of the Gospel price 2 s. * Note that this is all the Answer to the Question * Yet I find some odd passages in your Writings K. Help p. 2. The letter and outward teachings so much cried up with all the Fruits and effects of the one the Crucified Body of Christ though a very Blessed and Comfortable enjoyment in its place and kind yet being but that which made nothing perfect is now no less necessary to be parted with than at that time it was else the Comforter as the blessed effect of the other the Living Body of Christ can not come F. Truth and Deceit p. 55. Then came Christ according to the Flesh to be Crucified the Lamb slain that Flesh of his which is a mystery when the first Adam's and Eve's Flesh was defiled P. 57. Yet his Flesh never corrupted which Flesh is the offering for as he was not God he did not Die and this Flesh is a mystery and in this Flesh is the Belief which takes away the Sin that never corrupted that is the offering for Sin and the Blood of this Flesh cleanseth from Sin This offering who is found in the Shape of a Man And where this belief is entred into his Flesh it knows Adam's Flesh that corrupted Through his Flesh he doth reconcile and by the offering up his Body his Flesh that which hath been Slain from the Foundation of the World and yet never corrupted he breaks down the Partition-wall betwixt Jews and Gentiles p. 59. So this pure Flesh this offering is set over all which never corrupted which must be your Meat if you Live though there is more in all these things which is hard to be uttered and cannot be uttered yet * Tertullian understands the Text of the visible Flesh De Carne Chr. Chap. 13. In Christo invenimus animam carnem simplicibus nudis vocabulis editas id est animam animam carnem carnem Quid anxia est anima mea usque ad mortem Et Panis quem ego dedero pro salute mundi caro mea est Si una caro una anima illa tristis usque ad mortem illa Panis pro mundi salute salvus est numerus duarum substantiarum in suo genere distantium excludens Carneae animae unicam speciem * See c. 3.17 Act. 15.9 1 Cor. 11.29 * De Spec. Leg. p. 594. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. If necessity require an Oath it is more fit to swear by the health and old age of Father and Mother if they be living and if they be dead by their blessed memory because God is not to be rashly named Some are wont to say So help me omiting the rest which might be compleated not by adding the most High but Earth Sun Heaven or the World But others are so hasty that passing by the creatures they are bold to swear by the Creator himself