away from the Truth as the setting up of a graven image through the want of Knowledge was under the Law and that at this day the words of the Prophet are again fulfilling Hos 4.6 My People are destroyed for lack of Knowledge because thou hast rejected Knowledge I will also reject thee 'T is now needful to signifie the occasion on which the Apostle Paul saith that Knowledge puffeth up 1 Cor. 8.1 Now as touching things offered unto Idols we know that we have all Knowledge Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth And further in the same chap. ver 10 11. If any man see thee which hast Knowledge sit at meat in the Idols Temple shall not the Conscience of him which is weak be emboldned to eat those things which are offered unto Idols and through thy knowledge shall the weak Brother perish In this Chapter the Apostle Paul was a Reproof to such as abounding in Knowledge and clearly seeing that to put a difference between Meat offered unto Idols and that which was not was but the fruit of weakness had not a regard unto the weak Consciences of their Brethren and so he tells such Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth From whence we cannot conclude that Paul meant strictly according as his words may be construed no more than he intended by his saying Let your Women keep silence in the Church that none of them though Members of the Church should prophesie when moved of God whenas in a few verses before he tells the Church which consisted of Women as well as Men They might all prophesie one by one and the reason seems evident because the Knowledge which the Apostle seems to hint at was a Knowledge sprung from a growth in the Truth that the weak had not attained unto which may be taken to be signified in these words of the said Chapter VVe know that we all have knowledge howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge for some with Conscience of the Idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an Idol and their conscience being weak is defiled All which being considered the Mind of the Apostle writing those words viz. Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth may be taken to be this that though they had Knowledge yet they should not have their Eye so much to that as to exercise their Liberty to the offence of any that were weak lest the Enemy to true Knowledge should interpose and puff them up so as not to condescend through Charity for the sake of a weak Brother 'T is the work of the Enemy of man's Soul to puff up but the Word of Knowledge is one of the Gifts 1 Cor. 12.7 8. which through the manifestation of the Spirit are given unto every man to profit withal and therefore I conclude that the Apostle writing unto the Philippians thus exprest himself Phil. 1.9 10. I pray that your love may abound yet more and more in Knowledge and in all Judgment that ye may approve things that are excellent that ye may be sincere and without offence From whence it may reasonably be concluded that the contrary Fruits viz. things that are contemptible and vile insincere and offensive spring through the Want of that Love which abounds in Knowledge Obj. By this discourse you seem to exalt Knowledge as an excellent thing * See an Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Satan makes use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ being contained in the first Part of the Christian-Quaker How comes it then to pass that divers amongst you called Quakers have preached reflectingly on such as are indued with knowledge above many of their Brethren as if their Religion were in their Heads and not in their hearts telling us That the Tree of Knowledge was not good for Food and not only so but have appeared in such an invective Spirit against Reason also without distinction that in your publick Meeting this imperative Expression hath been uttered Away with all Reasoning Ans 'T is very true However that doth not prove that all such Expressions are according to the Truth Peoples tongues are their own and we cannot use Violence to prevent any from delivering that which they may pretend they have to say and therefore for the clearing of the Truth in relation to the aforesaid objection we further add Pure Religion and undefiled is to visit the Fatherless and the Widows and to keep unspotted of the World wherein if our heads be not exercised our hearts will not bring forth the Fruit thereof As to to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil though the Scriptures do not positively declare whether it was good for Food or no as in itself yet it doth clearly import that Adam's Sin in eating of the Tree of Knowledge was the Sin of Rebellion for that he was commanded not to eat thereof A Father may command his Child not to eat an Apple and yet give him leave to eat of other food fitter at that season for him if the Child should therein disobey his Father his rebellious eating would be no Argument to prove the Apple in itself not good for food These things being considered it may reasonably be concluded that there is no Ground to assert that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was not good for Food as in itself Besides it hath been much observed that when the aforesaid doctrine hath been by some declared it hath been by way of Reflection on the Wisdom and Knowledge which some of the Publishers thereof account sensual and devilish though others have not thereby so intended but therein they have manifested their own Weakness because that which is a Discoverer of Good and Evil being in it self good as the Tree of Knowledge is cannot be a proper Comparison or Allusion to represent the thing that is devilish John the Evangelist testifies This is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God John 17.3 and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent And yet many of those who cry up Life are apt to cry down Knowledge without distinction though 't is evident that Knowledge is the way to life These things being duly considered we know not on what foot of Truth any one can assert that the Tree of Knowledge is not good for food as in itself and that it can be a proper similitude to represent any thing that is in opposition to that Knowledge which is from above But yet I would not be understood to reflect on all that have used that expression viz. The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food because I question not but many have so exprest themselves not thereby to represent that Wisdom which is accounted Sensual and Devilish but rather to shew forth that if we should feed upon or admire any excellent Qualification or Endowment whatsoever and not have the Eye of our Mind chiefly unto the Giver we might then come to a loss even as
cannot account Sound Language if Pauls Testimony Phil. 1.15 18. was Sound who said Some Preach Christ of Envy and Strife What then Notwithstanding every Way whether in Pretence or in Truth Christ is Preached and I therein Rejoyce yea and will rejoyce Secondly That to pretend want of clearness in Sight will not excuse any from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentence of an Assembly or some or other of them which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ and so are ready to Judge their Brethren as Apostatized from the Truth if they walk not according to the Lines and Measures of others though they have no Faith therein contrary to that of Paul who to the Corinthians said 1 Cor. 10.15 Having Hope when your Faith is Increast that we shall be inlarged by you according to our Rule And whether these are not of that number who bring another Gospel than what we have already received and so subject themselves to the Curse whilest they are endeavouring to manifest others Accurst Let Gods Witness in all Judge There are at this Day who seem to make no Distinction between such as would have no Iniquity reproved and those who Conscientiously scruple to submit to the Dictates of others till their Vnderstandings are Illuminated these are of that number who divide not aright and seem so void of Charity as not to distinguish between the Precious and the Vile for though it was so that Paul in Thes 3.6 a Scripture quoted by R. B. thus saith Now we command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Traditions which he received of us and then Comments upon it what more positive than this and yet the Apostle was not here an Imposer To which I thus say that this Scripture is no Warrant for any to follow the Commands or Traditions of others at this day until convinced of the Truth and real Service of Obedience to such Commands or Traditions which is evident by the reason that Paul in the following Verse gives for the urging Obedience to his Precept viz. for ye your selves KNOW how that ye ought to follow us So the Knowledge of their Duty was the Bond rather than Pauls Command Vers 14. of the same Chapter being another Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author Page 27. Paul saith If any Man Obey not our word by this Epistle note that man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This related to such of whom Paul Vers 11 12 13 of the same Chapter saith we have heard that there were some among you that walked inordinately and work not at all but are Busi-Bodies therefore them that are such we command and Exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with Quietness and eat their own Bread and ye Bretheren be not weary in well doing and then he exhorts Vers 14. If any man obey not our Saying c. which plainly relates that to so undoubted necessary a Duty mentioned Vers 11. That such who were Busi-bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread but whosoever they are that shall bring such Scriptures as these to manifest that we ought to submit to the Outward Forms Prescriptions Ceremonial Dictates or decisive Sentences of others when they are or may be Matters of Conscience and that there lies an Obligation in point of Duty to Obey in every or any of such Things though we see it not shews themselves a sort of Busie-bodies wanting work Paul 1 Cor. 14.37 a Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author thus saith If any man think himself to be a Prophet or Spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the Commandements of the Lord and Vers 34. of the same Chapter Paul saith Let your women keep silence in the Church c. Here 's a positive proof that women ought to be silent in the Church and that by the Command of Paul and therefore me thinks it should be a shame for such who plead for Womens speaking in the Church and not only so but for their Service with respect to Exercise in Discipline to pin so much as to me appears the aforesaid Author doth in his Treatise on the word Command us'd by Paul when according to the measure of Gods Grace and Truth which the Children of Light have received they have and do testify and that according to Truth notwithstanding what Paul saith and hath Commanded that * Note I would not hereby be understood to justify All Women that have spoken in our Meetings because many of them have of late been so rude in their Opposition to John Story as that I take it to be a meer Scandal to Religion and am perswaded that by Pauls Command the meaning of the Spirit was not positively according as his own words seem to intiate not only because the Prophet Joel 2.28 prophesied that the Lord would pour out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters and that they should Prophesy but also for that in the same Chapter 1 Cor. 14. he exhorts the Church who doubless consisted of Women as well as Men to Covet Spiritual Gifts but rather that they might Prophesy saying Ye may all Prophesy one by one all which considered t is rational to take the Mind of the Spirit to he that there were some unruly disorderly Women then in the Church as in these our Days are who then had need as some now have to be warned to keep silence though others that had received a Revelation from God might declare the same in the Church when met together Women as well as Men and Men as well as Women may speak in the Church of God according to their respective Measures when the Spirit of the Lord moves And since as the Apostle Paul himself testifies 1 Cor. 10.8 That his Authority was given him for Edification and not for Destruction I cannot but be more Charitable than to think Paul ever used the Words Command Ordain Traditions and such like on any other account but that the Churches should be followers of him according as in their own Measures they had a Sense or Savour that he was a Follower of Christ and not otherwise which comparing Phil. 3.17 with 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. doth evidently appear The forementioned Scripture to the Philipians thus saith Brethren be Followers together of me and mark them that walk so as you have us for an Ensample that to the Corinths saith But we will not boast of Things without our Measures but according to the Measures of the Rule which God hath distributed to us a Measure to reach even unto you for we stretch not our selves beyond our Measure c. not boasting of things without our Measures that is other mens Labours but having hope when
upon some others to obey and submit and that such as are in the true Feeling and Sense will find it their places to obey and be one with the Church in such like cases and that its such that have lost their sense and feeling of the Life of the Body that discent and are disobedient under the false pretence of Liberty To this we answer First that General Meeting doth usually consist only of such Persons as pretend a Freedom in their Spirits to go thither or have Outward Business calling them to the place where it is usually held and though it hath been accounted a Meeting of Ministring Friends yet of late Years we are very certain it hath consisted and so for the future may of some other Persons professing the Truth that will take upon them to assemble amongst them and to be very plain we cannot but appeal to the Consciences of all such Honourable Friends who are both intelligent and impartial whether some who have usually there assembled or may pretend right to be Members thereof have not been false Accusers and Man-pleasers and many of them a sort of Persons who being Lovers of Preheminence and Time-servers take that as an Opportunity to appear unto others that which they are not in themselves On the whole matter 't is evident to us that some Persons uncertain in number as well as to Persons and Qualifications do take upon them to call themselves a General Meeting and though such when met may on that foot take upon them to ordain and appoint certain things condemn some Friends as Rending Seperate Spirits and approve of others as Faithfull Bretheren and that as they may say in the Name of the Lord yet it is not likely to have any more place with us on that account than if they spoke in their Own Name since 't was never evidenced to our Consciences that they had any Call from God to act and give forth all those things which they have taken upon them Objection But suppose some Persons in their respective Countries should undertake to Meet together Quarterly and at such Quarterly Meetins choose two Persons to go to the said General Meeting as was endeavoured the last Year To this we answer We deny that it can be agreeable to the Truth for such to assert that from thence they are invested with Power to Ordain and Appoint certain things unto which others as Members of Christs Body ought therefore to yeild Obedience whilst not perswaded by Christs Light in their Consciences of their Duty therein First Because though such Quarterly Meetings as men may be capable to choose Persons yet they are not capable to invest them with a suitable Power since 't is taken for granted that the Authority of all those Meetings ought to be the Power of God which man is not capable to confer neither have those Meetings affirmed they are Secondly Because no Outward Order Counsel or Advice is sufficient Ground for any man to Practise this or t'other thing so as thereby to find Acceptance with the Lord until the Conscience of such an one by the Light of Christ Jesus be convinced thereof For every Action in relation to the things of God that springs not from an enlightned convinced Conscience is but the fruit of a liseless Form without the Power and seems not to square with this Doctrine draw water out of your own Wells let it be your own and not anothers nor yet with that Doctrine which hath often been sounded in our Ears to gather us from the Lo heres and the Lo theres But yet we are sensible that this further Objection may be raised viz. Obj. * Note in the manuscriptfirst made mention of in the Preface the Ground of this Objection from the Words and Writings of divers Persons is cited out of the second part of the said Manuscript but their Names for the reasons in the Presace are omitted here 'T is true Friends in the Beginning were turned to the Light in their own Consciences as their Guide but when it pleased the Lord to gather so great a Number into the Knowledge and Belief of the Truth as were in few Years gathered then the Heavenly Motion came upon G. F. as the Lords Anointed and Chosen having the Care of the Churches as being the great Apostle of Christ Jesus and as one whom the Lord had ordained to be in that place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day to set forth Methods and Forms of Church Government and to establish Monthly and Quarterly Meetings of Men and of Women distinct from Men and these Meetings since are called the Church whose Counsel Advice and Judgment as Occasion should offer is to be submitted unto by every one who professes himself a Member of the Church of Christ and that we ought to believe as the Church believes else why should an Eminent Friend in the sixteenth Page of his Bookthus say I affirm that the true Church is in the true Faith that is in God and we must either believe thus as the true Church believes or else it were but both a Folly and Hypocrisie to profess our selves Members thereof And so in the same Page proceeds to manifest that he who seems to own the Church of Christ as a Member of her and yet tells the World that it is a most dangerous position that we are to believe as the Church believes is a treacherous Enemy to the Church of Christ From this Objection these three Positions seem to be deducible First That the Lord hath ordained G. F. to be in that Place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his Day Secondly That monthly and quarterly Meetings are called the Church and ought to be submitted to Thirdly That 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to profess our selves Members of the true Church and yet not believe thus as the true Church believes SECT II. An Answer to the First Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the conclusion of the first Section to wit That the Lord hath ordained G. F. to be in that place amongst the Children of Light in this our Day as Moses was among the Children of Israel in his Day THe Lord under the First Covenant promised To raise up a Prophet like unto Moses whom the People were to hear in all things Deut. 18.15 This Prophet spoken of was Christ Jesus who in the fullness of Time appeared upon the Earth and then 't was the Duty of the Sons and Daughters of Men to hearken unto his Voice since he ascended on high the Father according to the Testimony of his Son Christ hath sent unto us the Comforter the Spirit of Truth who is to lead and guide us into all Truth this Spirit we witness to be in us according to the Testimony of the Scriptures It shall be in you Our Testimony now is that it 's
retain that Tenderness to God and regard to the hurt of their own Souls as to make Conscience unjustly to accuse the Innocent that since it was asserted by some and entertained as a Truth by divers that that Book was writ upon design and with a particular respect of prejudice to some Persons whom I did not so much as once think on in writing of it with somewhat worse which I am not willing to remember far less to mention whether those that propagated and entertained so false and groundless a Jealousie to the Prejudice of the Innocent have not reason narrowly to examine what Spirit they were influenced by in so doing which certainly could not be of God and whether they ought not thence to take Occasion justly to suspect the Effect and Fruits of the same Spirit in them even when it hath appeared in things for which they may have somewhat more to say surely with men of Inward Tenderness this cannot but have great weight And albeit that my Intentions were so clear in this Matter yet I will not say but the Lord whose Ways are unsearchable and past finding out may have purposed by those Papers seasonably to reprove and smite at a wrong Spirit And therefore all concerned had need in true Tenderness and godly Fear to beware how they shut out and turn by the warnings and Admonitions of the Lord seeking to carp at and find fault with the Innocent Instruments lest they be found Foolishly like those Dogs that run after and seek to bite the Stone because they cannot reach the Hand that threw it I have known this by manifold Experience to have been a Snare to many and therefore without the least Prejudice or Reflection upon any God knows out of true Tenderness and Love do desire it may be seriously weighed in the true Light by all that may feel themselves concerned in this Matter [f] [f] Since R. B. as before is signified in his Lines touching which I made my first Observation on his Explanatory Postscript affirms that he hath never found Occasion to repent or retract any thing from the Matters or Principles asserted by him and that he laboured with all the Care and Circumspection he could so to express himself as not to offend in a word I may now with Confidence affirm that his words therein since he well understands the Propriety of Words and Sentences may be justly taken to be the meaning of his Mind That now his Fallatiousness may appear I shall in order thereto cite his very words relating to the Matter in hand touching Jurisdiction over Mens Property R. B. in his Sixth Section treating how far this Government extends Pag. 39. thus sayeth This Order reacheth and taketh up the Composing of Difference as to outward things and further sayeth We do boldly averr as a People gathered together by the Lord unto the same Faith c. that we have Power and Authority to decide and remove these things amongst our selves From which positive Sentence it naturally follows that the Church touching whose Authority in Government he treats hath Power to decide and remove in Cases of Differences touching outward things and since in the same Section he useth the words Meum and Tuum with respect to outward things touching which Differences may arise it naturally follows that the Power claimed is in that Case a Power over Property I now desire that the Reader may observe that in this his Explanatory Postscript he sayeth not one word of the Assent of the Parties Differing which clearly shews that though as in the Fifth Observation is signified he intended to give under his own hand that he is principled as the aforesaid pretended Letter sayeth he is yet he therein deales fallaciously But now as to the things scrupled at W. R's Sixth Observation whereas some did suppose that I did ascribe to Friends an absolute Jurisdiction over mens Property in outward things therein I have been greatly mistaken for I never intended any such thing but simply to hold forth that which by the Apostle to the Corinthians 1 Cor. 6. is urged that whereas there would a manifest Scandal arise from Friends going to Law together that therefore such as will rather go to Law than seek to come to Agreement by the Interposing of Friends ought with a respect to their bringing such a Scandal be censured since it cannot be supposed that any such Difference as to outward things can fall out amongst Friends but some or other may be found who either by their own knowledge or by Advice Information of such as may be known in the Matter Controverted may bring it to an End Secondly that whereas I say there will not be wanting in case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment through one or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Sense be so called some have supposed that by these last words I did insinuate as if any Assembly assuming to themselves the Name of the Church of Christ and having some shew of it may of right claim the Power of such Decision and ought accordingly to be submitted unto such a thing never entred me but was far from my Intention for albeit that I Judge that an Assembly may sometimes deserve the Name of the Church of Christ or not to have lost that claim albeit not altogether so fresh and lively at least in the Generality of its Members and so under some languishing and hazard to decay if Life do not again come up more abundantly as may be seen in the Example of the seven Churches of Asia whom notwithstanding of the several weaknesses divers of them were under yet the Apostle or rather the Spirit of Christ by the Apostle Dignifies with the name of the Churches of Christ Neither did I intend to make this Judgement necessarily to attend every particular Church or Assembly but by the Church there I understood it in a more universal Sense that is some or other among all the Churches of Christ who being spoken of in the Complex may be rightly termed the Church of Christ And this is manifest in the same Example of the Churches of Asia for albeit we might suppose there might have been wanting in each of them some to give forth this true Judgement concerning them yet in respect they were such as in some tolerable Supposition might be termed the Churches of Christ * * Rev 2.4 5 14 15 20. Chap. 3.16 albeit some of them had lost their first Love and were neer to have their Candlestick removed and some had the Doctrine of Balaam and of the Nicholaitans and some suffered the Woman Jezabel and some were Luke-warm and ready to be spued out we see God would not suffer them to be without a certain Judgment but gave forth one through the Apostle John who was a Member of the Church but to esteem that any Assembly may be tolerably
now Query of G. F. whether these Bodies which the Apostle Paul termed the Members of Christ's Body were not the same in which the Holy Ghost dwells and the Life of Jesus was manifested And if so then according to the Apostles Doctrine Mortal and convertible unto Dust And whether or no an exclusion of all mortal Bodses whatsoever from being concerned as Members of the Church which is Christs Body be not the very ready way whereby all Liberty and Looseness that 's pleasing to the mortal Body may be Indulged and Nourished And not only so but whether the Men and VVomens Meetings will not Fall of Course and so no such Places where those who as George Fox saith are Heires of the Power may go to in Order to the taking of their Possessions as George Foxe's Language in his aforesaid Letter is 'T is further to be observed that G. F. hath not yet done with these VVords turned to Dust but proceeding asketh John Wilkinson this Question Must that which Sanctifieth God be turned to Dust I thought John thou hadst owned Christ to be the Sanctifier of all who is greater than Moses and the End of Moses but John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord To this we Answer If G. F. who is a Mortal Man was capable to Sanctify the Lord as in his own Sense by his following VVords he seemes to be why doth he so impertinently let his Pen run by way of Reflection on John Wilkinson for using Scripture-Language so seasonable and so pertinent as he did Doubtless the Reason was a Fretful Peevish Angry Spirit then possest G. F. So that we may in his own Language used in his Letter to John VVilkinson say to him 'T is a Spirit that doth not know what it would be at it self but if G. F. had not been Capable to sanctify the Lord he is Manifested a Scoffer to ask the afore-said Question viz. But John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord However let his Mind Sense Meaning or End in so Querying be what it will we shall undertake to give thereto this Answer viz. G. F. hath not Sanctified the Lord in writing his Book of VVomens Meetings which consists of Ninety Six Pages in Octavo and in all the Book throughout we do not find above half a side and that also scattered here and there that treats of that Service for which the Meetings of VVomen were chiefly understood to be held and that the Drift and Scope of the rest of the Book seems to be chiefly for Proof of Womens Offering Sacrifices Preaching Teaching Exhorting Admonishing Prophesying Governing Judging Singing Dancing Playing upon Musick and that Micah's Mother an Idolatrous VVoman spoken of Judges 17th was a Vertuous one and that the Assemblies of the Women did continue amongst the Jewes till they went into Transgression but yet Quotes for Proof of the last Assertion only 2 Kings 23. which mentions nothing to his purpose of VVomens Meetings more than that good King Josiah broke down the Houses of the Sodomites that were in the House of the Lord where the VVomen wove Hangings for the Groves which good King Josiah burnt Neither do we believe that he hath Sanctified the Lord in Accusing John VVilkinson and John Story for Tyth-Payers or Conniving at others Paying for them as in his aforesaid Letter he as we take it doth though they are therein esteemed to be greatly Abused and Mis-represented and we never understood it could be proved against them But that which aggravates G. F's Sin is That he hath been guilty of Advising Two Persons to buy their Tythes which is equal to a Continual Payment viz. Nathaniel Crips of the County of Glocester for one and Robert Arch living but a few Miles from the said Crips for another as they are ready to testify unto any Enquiring Reader and as in the Twenty-First Section of ‖ Note 'T is the Second Part of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. this Second Part by their Testimonies appears G. F. tells John Wilkinson thus But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and judge and condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since and then in that Spirit there is no fear of Imposition And in another Place of the said Letter G. F. saith I told you That if you did not come to that which did first Convince you and bring all others whom you had drawn into a Separation with you to condemn it the Blood of all them would be required at your Hands And that was and is the Word of Truth to you and will stand and is sealed These Sentences of G. F. do lead us unto these necessary Observations First That the Way to come into Unity is to come to the Unlimited Spirit and Light that did first Convince them and bring them into Unity had G. F. ended his Method for Unity here he would have said that which would have Answered Gods Witness in our Consciences but though he talks of coming to the Unlimitted Spirit yet his following Language seemes a Design so far as he is Capable to limit the Spirit by adding these Words viz. and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into a Separation with all its Works since by which Comparing his said Words with his aforesaid Letter to John Wilkinson and John Story dated the 23 d. of the 8 th Moneth 76. we take him to mean all those Dapers given forth since the Outward Separation which being without any Exception and Compared with the Matters occasioning the said Outward Separation seems to Import that in G. F's Sense the Antient Friends of Truth must of necessity be departed from the Light and Spirit if they cannot Conform to some Outward Methods in relation to the Management of some outward Affaires that some of his troublesome Party would Impose on the Chosen Friends for the outward Services of Truth Oh Grosse Darkness But that which seems to manifest his Darkness yet more gross is this his Letter to John Wilkinson Informs us That such meaning as his Words to us Import such with whom he is at Unity need no Outward Prescriptions that is written with the Spirit of God in one anothers Hearts to gather them withal On this we observe that unless another thing preserves those who are gathered than that which gathered them there is then no need of Outward Prescriptions for those that are gathered unto whom only the Government contended for reacheth and if so which in Truth cannot be denyed why must these Antient Friends who have been Convinced by the Light and Spirit of God be Reckoned had and such whom God will Blast
his Mother The 1100 Shekels of Silver that were taken from thee about which thou cursedst and spakest also in mine Ears behold the silver is with me I took it and his mother said Blessed be thou of the Lord my Son and when he had restored the 1100 Shekels of Silver to his Mother his Mother said I had wholly dedicated the Silver unto the Lord from my Hand for my Son to make a Graven-Image and a Molten-Image now therefore I will restore it thee yet he restored the money to his Mother and his Mother took 200 Shekels of Silver and gave them to the Founder who made thereof a Graven-Image and a Molten Image and they were in the house of Micah and the man Micah had an house of God's The Quotation is enough to shew that she was an Idolatrous Woman and though it may be said it is but a question askt yet in answer it may be said that if G. F's real judgment be so that she was not a virtuous woman he hath manifested thereby a scoffing Spirit but to manifest that such an Answer appears but a meer shift the reader may observe that about thirteen lines following he thus saith So these and such women are recorded to Posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The second Quotation Page 43. And the woman of Tekoah see what a Sermon she preacht to King David 2 Sam. 13.14 The Scripture quoted informs us that the woman was a subtile woman whom Joab caused to feign her self as a Mourner and go to King David with a lying story in her mouth which accordingly she did For when King David asked her is not the hand of Joab with thee in all this she answered Joab put all these words in her mouth so that if it were really so that she had been the Occasion of pacifying King David's wrath yet it might more truly be said that she deceived King David by her Lyes than convinced him besides though the story was framed by Joab for the sake of Absalom who slew his Brother Amnon and therefore fled yet it appears that King David was appeased as to his Son Absalom as in 2 Sam. 13.39 before the woman came to him with Lyes in her mouth We now commend it to the Consciences of all to consider how this Lying story can be called a Good and Convincing Sermon and be an evidence of a Virtuous Woman for in a very few lines after it 's said as before These and such women are recorded to posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The Third Quotation Page 23. And the Women had their assemblies in the daies of the Iudges and the Kings Now old Ely was not against the Assemblies of the Women who assembled by Troops as you may see in the 1st Sam. 2.21 22. though some men now adayes may be against Womens Meetings or Assemblies in the Gospel Times and against womens speaking and prophecying c. The Scripture quoted tells us thus So Ely was old and heard all that his Sons did unto Israel and how they lay with the Women who assembled at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which only proves that there was an Assembly of Men and women at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation who committed evil together At the first view this seemed so abominable a Quotation to prove the Assemblies of purified women under the Gospel distinct form purified men to be necessary which is the end wherefore 't was as we take it quoted that we were concerned to inform our selves from the Scriptures to what end women assembled before the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation and we find by a Marginal Note in the Scriptures that it was as the Hebrews write after their Travel when they came to be purified as in Leviticus the 12th and 6th where it 's thus said Now when the dayes of her purifying are fulfilled she shall bring to the Priest a Lamb of one year old for a Burnt-Offering and a young Pigeon or Turtle Dove for a Sin-Offering unto the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which gives us occasion thus to query How can Women coming in order to their Purification with a Sin-Offering c. to the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation when defiled by the Men that there accompanyed them be a Proof for purified Women under the Gospel to assemble together distinct from purified men The Fourth Quotation Page 32. And likewise you may see Rachel and Leah their Counsel to Jacob who answered Jacob and said unto him is there yet any Portion or Inheritance for us in our Father's house are we not counted of him as strangers for he hath sold us and he hath quite devoured also our money for all the riches that God hath taken from our Father that is ours and our Childrens and now therefore whatsoever God hath said unto thee do this was Rachels and Leahs counsel unto Iacob and were not these three a Church then and did he forbid them from speaking in the Church See Genses 31.14 15 16. This we take to be a Quotation to evidence Womens speaking in the Church to be according to truth but yet we cannot own it to be much if any thing at all better Argument for VVomens speaking in the Church of God when the Church is met to worship the Lord in his Spirit than Womens Discourses with their Husbands about their outward estates doth almost every day produce amongst us and were it so that no better Argument could be produced for the justification of Womens speaking in the Church of God in the sense we have understood speaking in the Church we might be ashamed of our Principle and their Practice The Fifth Quotation Page 42. And the Daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the Daughter of Jeptha Iudges 11th So here they had a Yearly Meeting on this Occasion Our observation now is Jeptha made a vow unto the Lord and thus said If thou shalt deliver the Children of Ammon into my Hand then that thing that cometh out of the Doors of my house to meet me when I come home in peace from the Children of Ammon shall be the Lords and I will offer it for a Burnt-Offering And so it happened that his only Child being a Daughter came out to meet him with Timbrels and Dances and when he saw her he rent his Cloaths and said alas my Daughter but yet at the end of two months did unto her according to his Vow having given her two months time to go to the Mountains with other Virgins to bewail her Virginity which afterwards became a custom in Israel to go Yearly to the Mountains to bewail the Daughter of Jeptha This occasions us to query whether such a meeting occasioned on the Untimely Death of a Virgin for Jeptha's Vow was a Rash Vow can be any Evidence of the Matter which is taken by us to be intended viz. either for Womens speaking in the Church or Womens
Meeting distinct from Men on the account of worship to God or performing Acts of Government relating to Church Discipline Several other passages are contained in the said book which we take to be in order to prove either womens speaking in the Church when solemnly met together to wait upon the Lord to worship him in the Spirit or VVomens distinct meeting on account either of Worship or exercise of Discipline in the Church of God as in divers places of the said book may appear but yet we are dissatisfied that they are pertinent to that purpose We find by a Paper given forth by G. F. that he thus writes Friends to you all this is the VVord of the Lord take heed of judging one another and judge not one another I command you in the Presence of the Lord neither lay open one anothers weakness behind one anothers backs for thou that dost so art one of Ham 's Family which is under the curse and that there be no backbiting behind one anothers backs but love and so the same that doth condemn behind the back is for Condemnation with the Light This brings to our remembrance what Paul writ unto the Romans chap. 2. ver 1. therefore thou art inexcusable Oh man whosoever thou art that judgest another for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest doest the same thing but we are sure that the Judgment of God is according to Truth against them that commit such things and thinkest thou this oh man that judgest them which do such things and dost the same that thou shalt escape the Judgment of God From hence we observe 1st That unless G. F. pleads that he is more than a man and on that foot claims a Priviledge that he may give Instructions to others as aforesaid and yet be Justified in acting contrary thereto himself and when he hath so pleaded prove such a Priviledge to be according to Truth we are wholly dissatisfied that he can escape the Judgment of God 2dly We are not satisfied that all those whom we take G. F. to own and who have appeared against John Story and John Wilkinson have acted in many things relating thereto and wherein we take G. F. also to own them according to the aforesaid Counsel of G. F. and if so may be esteemed as persons worthy to be judged according to the judgment given by G. F. and by the Apostle Paul also and therefore we desire that G. F. and the Friends who have prest this meeting will declare whether or no what G. F. hath written as aforesaid be sound and whether he himself and every one else who hath acted contrary thereto be condemnable and when they have so done we shall be ready to come to a fair and equal Hearing to manifest the Reasons of our Dissatisfactions in this Case But unless the friends who have urged this meeting will so do we shall be ready to conclude that they are not willing that the things occasioning the difference amongst Friends and the continuation and encrease thereof should be brought to light nor yet are willing to come to the touch though they themselves have been ready to reflect on us as declining a meeting and not willing to come to the Touch. The Reader may now observe that such friends as were at Unity with G. F. and others that were at Unity with John Wilkinson and John Story agreed together to meet fairly to debate Matters that might be objected and in order thereto there were Articles of agreement touching orderly proceedings the copy whereof with the omission of one parties Name and his Subscription for the Reasons mention'd in the Preface to the 1st part of the Christian-Quaker now follows Bristol the 1st of the 12th Mo. 77. Propositions agreed between and William Rogers on behalf of themselves and others concerned in order to a Meeting for the ending some differences depending between them and also others in the City of Bristol and elswhere interessed and for satisfaction of any friend or friends in the things they are dissatisfied 1st IT is agreed by and between the persons above mentioned That each may have a Scribe to take all those Passages in the conference which to them severally shall seem meet and that before any one Head be left or a new Matter begun all that each Party have thought fit to have written be first read if in any thing defective amended and finally agreed by both persons to be a true Record Minute or Memorial of the Conference and if any thing be written or exprest short or beside the Meaning of the Speaker that the said Speaker hath Liberty to correct and help the said Expression 2ly That all things so written by both Scribes and so agreed upon to be recorded shall be at the end of every meeting subscribed by both Parties and by at least six credible persons of each side and by as many more as shall please to sign the same as Mitnesses of what is so recorded and the said six respectively to be named before the Meeting begin and they then to declare that they are free to it but if in any thing they are dissatisfied with what there passeth that though they subscribe the Narrative as Witnesses that the same is a true Narrative yet that they have Power and Liberty in case of dislike to declare or write their Protestation against the same 3ly That if any Friend present hath any thing upon him or her to say or offer to the matter in hand that such hath his or her Christian Liberty to speak his or her Mind and that every such thing said by Friends on either side if the Friends that speak or either of the two persons whose names are hereunto subscribed shall desire it be also recorded 4ly That Matters or Subjects to be debated on by each party be first written down and respectively delivered to each other 5ly That the meeting begin and be held at the 9th hour in the morning on the fourth day of this instant being the second day of the week and at the house of Richard Sneed 6ly That this Agreement be written in the head of the Narrative to be made in pursuance of this Agreement William Rogers on behalf of himself and other Friends concerend The above Agreement was also sign'd by another Person on behalf of himself and other Friends concerned On the foot of this Agreement there were three meetings consisting of about twenty hours had in the City of Bristol wherein the aforesaid Dissatisfactions relating to G. F. were delivered in the Meeting 'T is further observable that inasmuch as nothing was agreed upon to be recorded according to the Articles of Agreement and that the Meetings broke up and the dissatisfactions of friends were not read thorough William Ford and my self sent abroad all the said Dissatisfactions that were prepared whereof those already mentioned were but a part with an account of some other Passages concerning Meetings and
Part p. 7 8. See also the 3 d. Part p. 7 8. The General-Assembly of the Cburch of the First-Born 3 d. Part p. 74 78. Members of Christ's Body not certainly describable by Outward Marks and Tokens Outward Orders insufficient for their Conservation 3 d. Part p. 57 58. No Member of the Church of Christ one more than another is exempted from being lyable to err pag. 75 76 77 78. N Â O OBedience What kind of Obedience finds Acceptance what not 3 d. Part p. 26 33. See Church-Government Though the Obedience of Christ made many Righteous yet 't is no Proof that any were or can be made Partakers of that Righteousness whil'st Sin reigns in the Mortal Body 2 d. Part p. 67 68. Opposers From an Objection raised Occasion is taken to shew the Difference between Us and our Opposers though our Language relating to Principle and Practice in some things agree 1 st Part p. 30 31. Order of the Gospel is the Power of God and cannot be Establish't by Man 3 d. Part p. 25. Outward Orders The Establishers thereof under the Notion of Christ's Government Invaders of Christ's Prerogative 1 st Part p. 4. Reasons given why they are unsuitable to be accounted a Part of Christ's Government 3 d. prt p. 6 7 8 9 11 23 24. See 1 st Part p 6 7 8. See Church-Government P PErfection Every Gift of God is Perfect No such Perfect State attainable wherein 't is not needful for Man to Watch 2 d. Part p. 14. A Cessation from Sin attainable 2 d. Part p. 14 15 16 19 20. Persecution An Objection touching Securing Outward Estate in Time of Persecution Christ's Words to Peter and Saul's Action of saving Agag being instanced is Answered 1 st Part p. 30 to 36. Plain-Language On what Ground used 2 d. Part p. 34. Power of Decision of Differences by Robert Barclay's Words imports a Jurisdiction in such as he accounts the Church over Property 3. Part p. 35. Observations on the said Sence shewing the Inconsistency thereof with Truth 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Power to Bind and Loose is not from Christ's Words so far as from the Scripture we learn pleaded by the Apostles or any Assembly under the Notion of Christ's Church 3 d. Part p. 66 67. Principles Reputed by Robert Barclay the Bond by which we became Centered into One Body meaning Christ's Body the Church 3 d. Part p. 54. His Assertion and Argument refuted p. 54 to 59. The like he saith touching Practices and Doctrines p. 54. Professors of Christianity How they come to disagree touching some Religious Matters whenas whil'st they keep to Scripture-Language they agree in Principles termed Fundamental that are relative to the Matter wherein they differ 2 d. Part p. 69 70. Prophet Raised like unto Moses is Christ Jesus and no other is owned by us like unto Moses under the Second Covenant but Christ Jesus 1 st Part p. 10 11. Q Â R REign of Christ is by his Spirit in the Heart 3 d. Part p. 4. Robert Barclay An Answer to his Book of Government manifesting Erroneous Doctrines held forth by him 3 d. Part p. 15 to 88. The Chief Matters discours'd of in the said Answer p. 19 20 21 22 23. Robert Barclay's Postscript to the said Book by way of Epistle to Friends wherein he affirms That he never found Occasion to Repent or Retract any thing from the Matter and Principles there asserted by him And further also That though the Things chiefly scrupled at are as he saith cleared by Will m. Rogers his own Letter yet that all may be satisfyed by having them from his own Hand he was free to Write his Postscript William Rogers his Observations adjoyned to the said Postscript shew First That Robert Barclay Justifies his Book Secondly That the pretended Letter of William Rogers is by Robert Barclay acknowledged to contain Robert Barclay's Sence and Explication of the Matters scrupled in his Book Thirdly That his Postscript was writ that all might have his Sence of the Matters chiefly scrupled under his own Hand according to the Explications given in William Rogers his pretended Letter Fourthly That notwithstanding all this the Explications in the said Letter are not to be found in his Book nor yet all of them in his Postscript neither doth his Postscript and Book agree nor yet either of Them with Truth in many Things 3 d. Part p. 99 to 124. Rule See Church-Government S SAlvation of Mankind See Kingdom of God and Justification Sathan The Qualifications of such whom Sathan hath made use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ viz. such as have Zeal without Knowledge such as have Knowledge without Zeal and others that have abounded in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 69 to 78. Schismes The Ground thereof and some Marks by which 't is known 3 d. Part p. 41 42. Scriptures may be an Instrument through the Spirit whereby Faith in Christ may be attained unto 2 d. Part p. 3 4. And albeit they have been owned by Us and our Antient Friends to be a Rule yet we have not owned them to be the Infallible Rule but instead thereof the Spirit And yet they have been of late streined by Robert Barclay to make them the Rule to rule over our Brethren p. 48 49 50 51. See Church-Government Sentences or Degrees of any Assembly though pretending themselves the Church in Matters relating to Conscience no Bond upon Believers without inward Conviction 3 d. Part p. 58 61 62. See Believers Sin See Perfection Spirit What is meant by this kind of our Opposer's Language viz. Dark Leaven'd Rending Dividing Separate Spirit 1 st Part p. 6. Spiritual Matters Cognizable by the Government held forth by Robert Barclay 3 d. Part p. 53. Swearing under the Gospel-Dispensation not Lawful in any Case 2 d. Part 37 38 39. Submission to any Assembly that in any tollerable Supposition may be termed the Church of Christ is so pleaded for by Robert Barclay as that Want of Sight shall not excuse being Guilty of Disobeying God 3 d. Pare p. 69. That Sence refuted his Perversion of the Scriptures cited discovered 3 d. Part p. 69 to 80. Supper of the Lord the Night before he was Betrayed p. 51. The Doctrine of Christ at that Supper Owned p. 51 52. Scripture reputed to relate to that Practice Explained p. 52 to 61. T TEstimonies In what Case these words Let th'Testimonies of Friends arise have been notoriously abused 1 st Part p. 18 19. Traditions See Church-Government Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil cannot properly be a Comparison to represent Knowledge that is Devilish or the Thing that is Evil 2 d. Part p. 28 29. Tythes no Gospel-Maintenance to a Gospel-Ministry 2 d. Part p. 40 to 44. U VNity Divers Things laid down wherein the Faithful were at Unity 1 st Part p. 2 3 4. In what Sence the Apostle exhorted thereto 1 st Part p. 36 37. Inconveniences attending this Doctrine no Unity but in Conformity 1 st Part p. 72 73. An Universal Establish't Unity with respect to Faith and Discipline relating to Believers in Christ by Outward Instruments is inconsisting with Gospel-Liberty 3 d. Part p. 82 to 86. See Believers The Mark of a Member of Christ's Church in Unity with the Body is an Inward Invisible Mark 3 d. Part p. 83 84. W VVArs not Lawful to be entred into by Us to work our own Deliverance from under Oppressive Laws and Magistrates 2 d. Part p. 30 31 32. Weak Believers may be Received to doubtful Disputations by assigning the Decision of Controversy to the Church since Contention may arise who or where they are 3 d. Part p. 59 60. Wisdom from Above and that which is not from Above is deseribed Wisdom which we have as Creatures is not that Wisdom which by the Apostle is termed Sensual and Devilish but is given us of God 2 d. Part p. 21 to 25. Women having received a Revelation to Utter in the Church may Speak Unruly Disorderly Women may be warned to be Silent even as it is their Duty so to be in the Church 3 d. Part p. 52. Works What sort are Necessary to Salvation and what not Works spoken of by the Apostle James are the same sort of Works spoken of by the Apostle Paul 2 d. Part p. 16 17 18 19. Writings for Publick View By whom Approved or else not to be Printed 3 d. Part p. 29 30 Reasons against the Method of such Approbation and Limitation 3 d. Part p. 29 30 31 32. X Â Y Â Z ZEal without Knowledge Some Parts of the Fruit thereof described 1 st Part pag. 70 71 72 73. Zeal according to Knowledge accepted by God 1 st Part p. 70. A Part of the Qualifications of such as are endued with it 1 st Part p. 77. THE Postscript following the Preface is added to clear the Truth as well as my self from this pretended Argument against my Printing viz. That I came up to London to read a Charge behind George Fox 's Back and That though I pretended a Readiness to Meet him I had no Desire thereto Which gives me Occasion to lay down several Observations and Reasons invalidating the pretended Argument together with a Letter written by Me to James Claypoole and Three other Friends in London to cover a Remonstrance to the Friends of London All on purpose that they might use their Interest to cause George Fox to submit to a Hearing that so if possible some Expedient might have been found to satisfy my Conscience otherwise than by Printing Which I acquainted them of as well as George Fox and that I intended to proceed therein unless so much Notice should be taken of my Call for Justice against the Reproachful Actions and Trespasses of George Fox as that he might be brought to a Hearing before Friends to the end that if Guilty he might give Satisfaction if not he might be Quitted There are also signified in the said Postscript several Things which are clear Evidences that George Fox would not assent to any Meeting for the aforesaid End Which coming to my Knowledge I was then free of all Concern to sollicite him more either by Word or Writing for a Meeting and had no further Bond upon me to forbear proceeding to Print as Expeditious as I could William Rogers