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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
woman_n	church_n	keep_v	silence_n	2,518	5	9.9816	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A44802	One of Antichrists voluntiers defeated, and the true light vindicated. In answer to a book called Ignis fatuus, published by one R.I. Wherein he vindicates Edward Dod and Samuell Smith (of the county of Salop) in their lyes, folly, and wickedness, and hath added more of his own, with divers of his false doctrines, lyes and slanders, &c. brought to light, and reproved: As that the law of the spirit of life, is imperfect, and not fit to be a Christian rule, and also, humane nature may be taken for the regenerate part of man, and the soul, &c. And likewise calls idolatry, civillity, and heathernish complements courtesie. His vindication made voyd, and his weapons broken, and he taken captive, and left with E.D. and S.S. among the slime pits of Siddim near Sodom, with his Ignis fatuus. / By F.H., a witnesse to the perfect law, of the spirit of life.	Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.	1660 (1660)	Wing H3175; ESTC R16812	30,660	33

the Law then how is it that R. I. would straiten or lessen the effusion thereof under the Gospel for there was Daughters that prophesied under the Law and many Sons that spake by the Spirit of God but now all must be confined to the letter and your Pastors now hath far lesse of the Spirit if any at all who speaks from the strength of naturall parts and denyes the unerring Spirit and so shuts up the Kingdome of Heaven against men And R. I. is so grieved at this infallible Spirit or this spirit of prophesie that he cannot endure that a Daughter should prophesie or speak by the Spirit of God in the assembly of the Saints and the main stresse of his or all their arguments is the 1 Cor. 14. 34. Let your women keep silence in the Church for it is not permitted for them to speak and if any woman speaks in the Church it contradicts the Spirit and though they have a gift they ought not to improve it in a disorderly way Answer That which hath been said in this perticular unto E. D. is sufficient to them whose eyes God hath opened but this R. I. is one of the evil beasts that the Apostle speaks of whose mouth must be stopt And so I further say that the Apostle writ to the Church of Corinth which were beleevers which few will deny but that it consisted both of men and women and he expressely saith ye may all prophesie one by one and furthermore if a woman prophesie with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head so that it is manifest that thee was women did prophesie and also laboured in the Gospell but saith R. I. that was but in a private way or amongst some few this had been lawfull or orderly in R. I. his account and if she might speak to two or three or twice three it may be as there is in many houses is not this call'd a Church and doth not Christ say Where two or three are gathered together in my name I will be in the middest of them Moreover was not that a Church which was in Aquilla and Priscilla's house 1 Cor. 16. 19. and was not Priscilla a Daughter that did prophesie what must Priscilla goe out of her house in which was the Church if she had any thing to speak by the Spirit was it lawfull to speak without doors and not in the house and if she might speak in her house then she spoke in the Church and R. I. would have said she had contradicted the Spirit of God and is not Christ one in the Male and in the female and is not male and female both one in Christ Jesus is Christs power and the Spirits authority any whit lesse efficacious or powerfull when he speakes in the female or is it the sects only that addeth or diminisheth from the authority of the Spirit thou ignorant man who art voyd of the knowledge of God and was not Mary a woman and did not she preach Christs Resurrection to the Disciples and were not they the Church but this is like will not satisfie R. I. his unreasonable mind who doth not beleeve that a woman may prophesie or speak in the Church for this would contradict Pauls saying not at all I grant Pauls words to be true this was spoke occasionally to one Church concerning them that were unlearned and untaught of the Spirit that usurped authority over the man and such as was disorderly whose spirit was not subject to the Prophet and what must this be a binding example as to quench the Spirit and limit the Lord from generation to generation as to binde or limit them who are in subjection to their husband and who usurped not authority for it is one thing to have authority and another thing to usurp authority now they that are come to feel the power of God and thereby be moved to speak the power gives her authority but she that is not in the power neither doth feele the motion of the Spirit such a one usurps authority and is unlearned and such and they only were prohibited by Paul and no other for if it had extended unto all then the women before mentioned had been transgressors and likewise further for the satisfaction of all Anna a prophetesse the Daughter of Phanuell of the Tribe of Aser she coming into the Temple gave thanks unto the Lord and spake of Christ unto all them that looked for Redemption in Jerusalem and that was in a publick place and in a publick congregation Luk. 2. 36 37 38. And last of all if E. D. and R. I. will not confesse that the meeting neer Cond in which the women spake was a Church which F. H. justifies then E. D. and R. I. hath lost their cause and wrangled about nothing and the thing proved against them both viz. That a woman declaring speaking or prophesying by the Spirit of the Lord and in the authority of God is a lawfull and a commendable and a justifiable act in the sight of God and all the children of light And therefore cease your foolish clamour and let no such ignorant stuffe come in print again lest your folly be more and more made manifest and the stone fall upon you which will grind you to powder The next thing which R. I. quarrells about is a lye which Edward Dodd asserted that some of the Quakers should say they were equall with God unto which F. H. replyed and said he that hath the Spirit of God is in that which is equall and he that is joyned to the Lord is one Spirit there is unity and that unity stands in equallity and these expressions saith R. I. offers violence to God and his glory Answer This R. I. is so in love with the spirit of errour for he hath denyed the infallible Spirit and is in such love with an unequall spirit that he cannot endure to here that any should be joyned to the Lord in an equall Spirit and so quarrells with plain Scripture and saith it doth violence to the Majesty of God the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of truth is an equall Spirit and them that are led by it and are in it are in that which is equal and so are joyned to the Lord and are neerly related to him but that I said or any other that the creature is equal to the Creator in power or in glory is false and a lye and let E. D. and R. I. know that 〈◊〉 are for the lake R. I. saith Christ is glorified in his humane nature and humane nature and flesh may be understood of the regenerate part and humane nature may be understood both of soul and body and this may confute F. H. that doth contend against humane nature and goes on and tells another lye as every page is fild with some and saith F. H. saith Christ hath no real body Answ. This man speaks out of thick darkness and intrudes into those things he hath not seen being vainly

were buried with him in baptisme baptized into the death and sufferings of Christ such a baptisme as the Priests never administred with their hands and the Spirit of the Lord was wont to be the seal of the Covenant to them that did beleeve but now it must be turned out of doors for visible water hath taken up its place in R. I. his judgement which is corrupted and how doth sprinkling answer to circumcision the Males onely were circumcised and not the Females and why doe you sprinkle Fenales if baptisme must answer to circumcision and if the extent of the one must be as large as the other and as for mortification of the flesh and remission of sins that which mortifies the deeds of the flesh hath life in it and that gives a living testimony within and remission of sins is in the blood of Christ and the seal thereof is by the Spirit unto them that beleeve but this Popish tradition hath a●en up all in R. I. his account if his argument be true Nay the Papists themselves who are as zealous for sprinkling of infants as R. I. or any of his brethren can be yet one of their own Bishops at a Council in France of both Protestants and Papists at Pisoy 15 61. Claudius Espencious saith Many things are to be beleeved by tradition only as the baptisme of infants which cannot be proved from Scripture but this R. I. would have the Scripture to be a Cloak and a cover not only for Popish Traditions but for his own invented imaginations which he hath set forth to blind people withall The next thing that R. I. goes about to vindicate is swearing which their Ministers teach men to sweare which ought to be in righteousnesse and truth and for his proof Deut. 10. 20. he brings and he saith Christ only prohibits rash and vain swearing and superfluous oaths Answ Unto this much hath been said and answered allready by many pens and so that in the answer thereof I shall be brief in the first Covenant it was lawful to swear in truth and righteousnesse and likewise all rash and vain oathes under the Law were forbidden but Christ who is the end of the Law for righteousness who is greater then the Prophets and greater then Moses and Solomon and greater then the Angels unto whom they all worship he saith expressely swear not at all Now whereas R. I. and others have said Christ onely in these words prohibits vain oaths or false oaths then he had reproved nothing but what the Law had reproved but he saith It hath been said of old time thou shalt not forswear thy selfe but Christ saith I say swear not at all so that it is manifest that all oaths are forbidden by him who is the oath of God and why saith R. I. it is not contrary to the Gospel of Christ for to swear and yet doth account the writings which is called the New Testament the Gospel wherein Christ hath expressely forbidden it and therefore those Ministers that teach men to swear are not the Ministers of Christ but teach those things that are repugnant to the Gospel of Christ For he that breaks one of the least of the commands of Christ and teacheth others so to do is least in the Kingdome of God The next thing that R. I. would vindicate is their singing of Davids Psalmes in invented Tunes such as pleaseth the carnal mind and for his proof he brings Matth. 26. 30. They went out and sung a Hymn and Paul and Silas sang in prison and singing is divine worship for the praise of God and the comfort of our soules and it is a soul-ravishing and heart-raising ordinance Answ It is acknowledged and allwayes hath been by us that praises belongs to the Lord and that they that are made alive whose souls are raised out of death can and doth praise the Lord and they that sing with the Spirit and with understanding are acceptable unto God and they that are in the Spirit doth that which the Spirit moves unto and so worships in the truth and is accepted of God and Christ and Paul and Silas and many more praised the Lord and many now doth praise the Lord and he that hath a Psalme may sing but what of all this what doth this prove for R. I. and the rest of the Masse-house-singers and what doth this prove as to the singing of them that is void of understanding who sometime sing I go mourning all the day long and just at that moment are singing and what doth R. I. think it cannot be a Psalme unlesse it be in Meeter or doth he think it is not accepted except it hath a Tune with so many stops and to sing Davids prayers and call it praises is this with understanding and even to return R. I. his words upon himselfe A more ungrounded opinion was never invented by the Devil For them to sing or to pretend to praise God whose soules lyes in death and do not know what it is to partake of Gods benefits neither the unsearchable gift This kind of singing and imitation doth not comfort the soule but burden it and this doth not raise the witnesse but kills it and you make merry over it and this kind of singing must be turned into howling and lamentation And saith R. I. Our worship doth not differ neither in whole nor in part in matter or manner from the Saints worship in the Primitive times Answ. This mans confidence or rather impudence is in opposition to knowledge and wisdome for it were easily proved that it neither in whole nor in part neither in matter nor manner agreeth with the Primitive times as for example it is no where recorded in the Scripture that any Apostle Minister or Ministers did take a little water and did sprinkle a few drops on a childs face and call'd this an ordinance of God and say it is a seal of the Covenant and mortification and remission of sins neither any such doctrine did they declare neither did any of the Ministers and Apostles of Christ cause people to buy them bread and wine and then give it the people back again a bit of bread and a sup of wine at the middle of the day and call this the Lords Supper or a great Sacrament neither had they bels in their Churches to call people together neither had they soft cushions and pulpits and a hour-glasse hanging by them neither did the primitive Churches prohibit or limit the Spirit of the Lord God amongst any but if any was moved to speake any thing or had any thing revealed from the Lord the first was to hold his peace These and many more things you differ in both in matter and manner which largely hath been declared by other pens and so in this I shall be briefe neither had the Ministers of the Gospel their maintenance by force neither had they Easter Reckonings Midsummer dues Mortuaries money for Churching of women Marriages nor for the burials of the