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A12793 The sale of salt. Or The seasoning of soules Namely such, as for whom the chapmen here doe come, and whom the author, which taketh the name of a salter, is willing, what in him lieth, to season with the salt of the Word, leauing the successe to the Lord, without whose blessing in such works we can do nothing. Written by Iohn Spicer, minister of the word of God at Leckhamsteed in the county of Buckingham. Spicer, John. 1611 (1611) STC 23101; ESTC S117790 175,913 412

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name giuen vnder Heauen Act 4.12 whereby we might be saued Awake yet at last and shake off your blindnes and frowardnesse least you bring both your selfe your Children to confusion they think they do wel in obeying you but that can not be vnlesse you obey the Lord and bid them do that which he aloweth you laugh at such counsaile as this because you take your selues to be wise indeed as it should seeme you are wise some of you to plotte mischieuous matters and to keepe it very close but such are not wise to do good this is no sanctified wisedome it is foolishnesse yea a damnable wickednesse in the sight of God Rom. All your talke is to me Madam you say nothing to Cathara the Puritaine Mad. Though she be precise in some points yet she prayeth for the King Queene and Prince she giueth good care to the Teacher she commeth to the communion and I am perswaded there is not any one in the land of those whom you call Puritances which wish so many of you as will not conuert gon with bagge and baggage which in defence of the Ghospell and his Maiestie would not loose each drop of his bloud though some on the Stage haue deryded them Eastward hoe saying their smooth skins will make the best Vellam Rom. Did you see that Play plaide Mad. No but I haue heard of it Guid. Mistresse Romana you call your Neighbour Puritan do you know who were the auntient puritanes Ro. Though I doe not my Couzen doth Tell them Couzen. Tract Saint Augustine in his Booke of Heresies to one called Quod vult Deus which in our tongue is as much to say as What God will rehearseth some 88. heresies whereof the 38. was the heresie of those who are there called Cathoroi which we may English Puritans Guid. Will you call all those Puritans which are any where called Cathoroi Tract If I did what then Guid. Then you must call Saint Paule Puritan and those whom he calleth Cleane Puritans Tract Why so Guid. In the twentith of the Acts where Saint Paule sayth I am cleane from the bloud of all The Greeke word which he vseth is Catharos and when he saith All things are cleane to the cleane He vseth the word Cathara and Catharois Yet I hope you will not picture him a Puritane Tract The Catharoi named by Saint Augustine tooke to themselues that name Superbissune atque odiosissime A●g de here sibus ad quod vult deum her 38. most proudly and most odiously as it were for some cleanenes they admitted no second marriage they deny repentance following the Heretike Nouatus c. Rom. I know not what those heere in England hold in other matters but sure I am that some of them that are so called hauing buried their first Wiues haue beene married againe and therefore they are not Puritans in that point Guid. Of all generations that deserue the name of Puritans they most deserue it of whome Salomon speaketh Pro. 30.12 saying There is a Generation that are pure in their owne conceit and yet are not washed from their filthinesse I trust you Neighbour Christianus be none of those yet I meruaile why touching this publique testimonie of thankefullnes you will not obey the order appointed and so keepe your selfe from trotting to the three weekes Court to pay fees You know or should know that a woman after Childe-birth when she first goeth to Church should kneele in some conuenient place neere to the Communion-table if there be a Communion otherwise they vse to kneele neere to the Ministers seate who is to exhort her to giue hearty thanks to God and pray and to the end she should acknowledge helpe to come from God who is able yea and doth when it pleaseth him defend his from all euill which is ment as it seemeth by these words The Sunne shall not burne thee by day c. he is apointed to reade the hundred twenty and one Psalme not that any should thinke it was appointed to be read in time of the Lawe when women offered eyther a Lambe or two young Pigeons Leuit 12. on the day of their purification for that Psalme was made long after such purifiyng began but to teach women which were wont to call on the Virgin that the same God which kept Dauid his company in time of warre both day and night in heate and cold is able to preserue them Also as I saide for shall we thinke that he which layeth a burthen vpon a mans backe is not hable to take it off The same God that saide to the Woman I will greatly increase thy sorrowes and thy conceptions Gen. 3.16 in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children c. preserued the same woman and thousands more in their trauell none of all them euer calling on the blessed Virgiue for help or desiring her to pray to God to help them yea Dauid saith to God Thou art he that tooke me out of my mothers wombe Rom. How know you that none of them called on our Lady Giud Because thousands of thē brought forth ere she did beare Christ Rom. Is that true cozen Tract Yes Rom. But did not Dauid make that Psalme to assure woemen that are purified or Churched that the Sunne shall not burne by day nor the Moone with her coldnesse hurt them by night Tract If woemen were Churched by Moone-shine it might séeme probable Aug. in Epis Ioan. tract 1. that it was made for them chiefly but none are Churched in the night time so farre as I know S. Augustine touching the burning of the Sun c. saith if thou hold charity thou shalt suffer no scandale in Christ nor in his Church nor forsake Christ nor his Church Rom. On then M. Guide-well Guid. After the Psalme and the Lords prayer there be certaine prayers for the woman the God would saue her bee vnto her a strong tower from the face of her enimy and the through Gods help she may both faithfully liue and walke in her vocation in this life present and also may bee partaker of euerlasting glory in the life to come through Iesus Christ our Lord. Cath. I do acknowledge that it is the part not of women onely but of all other to giue God hearty thankes when hee hath deliuered them out of any danger trouble or whatsoeuer was grieuous vnto them if a learned and godly Minister which conformed not himselfe to some order set downe touching the wearing of some apparell c. that is much esteemed and in a manner religiously regarded by the Romish Salt-peter-men should bee put from his Ministery and maintenance and at last finde such fauour at the hands of the higher powers as to bee restored againe which were much to bee wished such a Minister with his flock had good cause to be thankfull In like manner if a Marchant returne safe from the seas a Souldier from warres a sicke man from deathes doore all
is you and not we that lend them Glasses Ribands Laces with Cappe and Fethers and Calles for their faces You suffer you Daughters to be May-ladies so long that shortly after you finde their Laces to short And then arrant Whore out of my doores when it is too late But all the while my Lady hath a Veluet Cap on her head a braue borrowed Gowne on her backe and a Nosegay in her hand You be as merry as Pyes though the name of God be blasphemed the Sabaoth prophaned the Minister contemned your Daughter defiled All is well so long as the Ale lasteth Ro. Haue you seene any of our Daughters in that case Cath. Did you euer see a Nose in a mans Face Madam Make-peace How now Neighbours still iarring haue you not yet eased your stomacks Sal. Now there is a third Woman come that is Madam Make-peace Maddam Truly this is not well Christian Woemen should striue to excell in sobrietie modestie and mildenesse of spirit and not in nipping and quipping and loudnesse of tongue If you should is contend and brawle with your Husbands as you vs one with an other then in Salomons iudgement It were better for them to dwell in the wildernesse Pro. 21.19.12.13.21.9 or to stand in a house that is euer dropping on their heads then to dwell with you I pray you agree for shame agree Cath Why Maddam What would you haue me to doe I haue heard Midwiues bid some Women put on the loose Kerchiefe and it be but to honour God and our Lady you know that it is no part of Gods honour he is not honored with Cloutes he is to be worshiped in Spirit and trueth And the best honour that we can giue to the blessed Virgin the mother of our Sauiour is to follow her vertues Mistresse Romana which neuer commeth to Church herselfe is euer snuffing at me because I frame not myselfe to please her humour she is euer stumbling at Strawes and leaping ouer Blockes Ro. If I stumble but at Strawes I shall not hurt my Toes if I leape ouer Blocks I shall not breake my shinnes Cath. You know my meaning You catch at our Moates and winke at your owne Beames Ro. I pray you Madam Make-peace marke their Moates when others be merry they must be mourning when we fast then they feast when they ly-in there must be no white-sheete for feare of superstition their Husbands holy day Cloake will serue the tourne well enough If we goe to Church vayled they aske vs if we be ashamed of that we haue done forgetting that some of their humour will wash Buckes eare their Child be Christned If any woman follow her that is Churched then they say our Lady must haue her traine If there be a Psalme read as they say your Ministers do read ouer when a woman is Churched then forsooth the Psalme is abused If the woman make her neighbours a dinner they say it pincheth the poorer sort Moris-dauncers be Rogues if they goe to the next Towne Christmas-pies be superstitious in the cold winter when your neighbours lacking foode should be refreshed and wanting Wood should be warmed Then vp to London if not to saue charges or for some other cause I know not what Thus you see their Moates and Beames Cath. It were well if these were your Beames Kerchiefe White-sheete Churching Dinner Morris-belles Christmas-pies Feastings and warmings of the Poore There be other matters that I call Beames you Whitson-lady some of her Maides were dismayded your Morris-dauncers and their followers prophane the Sabaoth they haue misused such Ministers as haue reprooued their vices by cutting off their Horse tayles breaking their Windowes plucking vp their Orchard Plants They poure in as much drinke in one day as would suffice a temperate man tenne daies Looke where is most misrule there with you is the best Christmas kept If some of you could cutt the throates of all that fauour not your customes then they would keepe a merry Christmas then sweare stare and a poxe of all Puritanes I will stirre your powder-plots because the more they be stirred the more they will stinke yea they will stinke in the nostrills of all such as follow Saint Peters counsaile Feare God Honour the King while Sunne and Moone endureth It is not your Keir-cheife Belles and Pies that I stand so much vpon It greeueth me to see how carefull you be for such matters and how carelesse in comming to Church in sending your Children to be Catachised in hauing an eye to them in their meryments in exhorting them to take heed of going foorth with Dina to see faces and fashions and to behaue themselues honestly and soberly in all companies and to come home in due time My Neighbours going to thankes giuing with fewe or many shall not offend me so that you controule not me for going as I thinke good And whereas you haue so often tolde me of our washing of Buckes and comming so soone into the street it may be some poore bodie wanting helpe is driuen to do that which is neyther healthfull nor seemly but you haue no reason to charge all of vs with that which is done by some fewe and that vpon necessity But touching these and such like matters let Madam Make-peace iudge what is best to be donne Ro. Content but first heere me a word or two As you would not haue me charge all precise women with that which is donne by some of the poorer sort so I hope you will not charge all of vs that haue beene brought vp in Poperie with those powder-plots you speake of God forbid we should all haue such murdering minds Cath. If you haue not it is the better for you but I pray you Madam speake your minde Mad. My comming hether was to make you friends but your iarres be so great and my braines so weake that I doubt I shall need helpe therefore I will goe home now and to morrow if God lende life I will bring our Minister with me Ro. Whome do you meane Maister Guide-well Mad. So indeede I haue heard you haue vsed to call not only him but all other of his profession for you thinke none doe well but Seminaries and Iesuits Ro. When you come bring Dame Cathara with you and you shall finde me and a Kinsman of mine walking in my Garden Salt Sith they be gone let vs depart also Chap. Shall I haue none of your Salt for these Women Sal. If the Minister and Madam Make-peace can doe them no good I know not what to say to them and so fare you well Chap. And you also Now retourneth Madam Make-peace with the Minister and Cathara Mad. God be heere and peace Ro. You are welcome Mad. I haue brought him whome you call Maister Guide-well with me Ro. I would you had brought Maister Doe-well also Mad. He commeth limping after he is not so quick-footed you know as Maister Guide-well Ro. I would he were and my Cousen here as quicke-tongued