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A08063 A discourse whether a noble man by birth or a gentleman by desert is greater in nobilitie; Nennio. English Nenna, Giovanni Battista.; Jones, William, Sir, 1566-1640. 1600 (1600) STC 18429; ESTC S112758 119,707 207

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to cause them to bee like vnto those whose natural bloud is dispersed in their bodies herehence proceedeth y e excessiue loue which the father naturallie beareth to his son vvhich to speak the troth surpasseth all other loues in this worlde as is best knowne vnto them that haue made tryall therof the ingendred being deemed a part and member of the ingenderer Now whosoeuer he be that is begotten of a gentleman and consequently of Noble bloud who will once denie but that he is part of y e begetter Surely no man Why then the worthy nobilitie of them no otherwise then their owne bloud is dispersed in their children as in a part of themselues And namelie adde heereunto y e naturall resemblance of the father which oftentimes denoteth cleerlie in their posteritie the gratious countenance and good members not onely of the father but euen of the auncesters likewise Herehence afterwards it commeth that as it were euen the very manners and liuely spirits with many of their vvorthy provvesses are transfused into their children And of this the valiant deeds of Scipio the great may make thee assured which as I haue often heard and I beleeue thou knowest right well were not vnequall to the prowesses of his father Cornelio The like haue I vnderstood of the other Scipio and if these were not of themselues sufficient I coulde alledge manie other moderne examples But you may be easilie perswaded herein by that which we see euerie daie that vvhilest vve are children vve doe so retaine within our selues the childish conditions vvhich are learned of our fathers or of anie other whatsoeuer that grovving afterwardes to greater age they remaine so fast fixed in our hartes vvhether they be good or euill as if we had beene taught them by nature hir selfe and according to the diuersitie of men vve doe learne diuers sortes of manners for a husband man his sonne or to speake generallie a Hosier his child or such like wil not be of the same behauior value as a gent. his son bicause there is more care had in y e one the other is rudely broght vp Wherby it is easilie gathered that the maners and prowesse of the father is conueyed from him vnto the children and so consequently his nobilitie Seeing then that nature doth in the creation of man yeeld bloud and resemblance whence this fatherly loue doth spring to whom shall this sort of Nobilitie which we tearme of bloud be left but to a man his own children surely not vnto straungers which euen nature it selfe would withstand Possidonio passed on no further being in his discourse interrupted by Madame Cassandra a wife and beautifull ladie of the companie who hauing a little called her wittes togither set vpon him after this maner If it be not lawfull for Fabricio at this time to answere thy discourse Possidonio yet shall hee hereafter haue time and memorie sufficient to satisfie thy reasons In whose behalfe likewise I doe not seeke to say any thing and if I should surely he should be but badly defended by me But that which I intend is as strongly as I can to maintain those reasons which make for vs women for without making any mention of thē you haue sleightly passed ouer them In your last speech if so be that I did wel comprehend what you said you gaue vs to vnderstand that who so is ingendred of the bloud of a noble man is nobly borne In asmuch as nature hath granted thus much vnto you that children are engendred by meanes of your bloud whereunto you added the resemblance of the father and his great loue towardes his children which are all giftes of nature Now if we will by a more true meane consider the trueth of thy speach I perswade my self that these gifts which thou callest gifts of nature being more proper to the woman thē to the man as may easily be shewed that in the Nobilitie of man the Nobilitie of the mother ought rather to be considered then the Noblenes of the father Who is so ignorant at least if this Nobilitie which thou speakest of consisteth in bloud that the bloud of the woman is no lesse sought by nature to ingender children then the bloud of the man Nay rather much more on our side because as you know the child once cōceiued is by the space of many months nourished in our wombe with our owne bloud somtimes two yeares after it is borne whence it appeareth that children receiue a greater quantity of bloud of the mother then from the father I will forbeare to speake of y e paine of our bodie the danger we are in in child bearing the anguish and labour we sustaine to bring them vp al which things may euidently proue vnto you y t the loue of the mother is far greater towards her child thē the fathers is yea and somtimes likewise the child will as well resemble the mother as the father all which is most manifest I say then that if I would knowe if one be a gent. which is the marke you shoot at I will haue recourse vnto the qualitie of his mother whether shee were a gentlewoman and not vnto the conditiō of his father whether he were a gentleman as you lately did argue which may with reason be beleeued But you men make laws as you list draw your reasōs as liketh you best setting vs silly women aside as if we were none of the number of the world but if it were lawfull for vs to be present at your counsels peraduenture matters would go otherwise and so many thinges would not passe for currant as this should haue done as they do Herewithall the ladie Cassandra held her peace and all the ladies did highly commend that which shee had spoken in their fauour when as Possidonio not determining to replie anie thing vnto her wordes spake after this maner Madame as for me it is all one whether wee take the bloud of the father or of the mother for I not only both by my fathers and mothers side come of noble bloud but my grandfathers grandmothers great grandfathers and great graundmothers were on both sides of most noble descent as is not vnknowne vnto you The wise lady did not rest contented with Possidonio his answere as if he had spoken smallie to the purpose when as maister Dominico one of my brethren determining to satisfie her demaund taking the matter vpon him said vnto her Madame I perswade my selfe that if it were lawfull for you women to be present at our counsailes as you saie that your vertues would equall the Amazonian ladies who banished their husbands tooke vpon them the gouernment of the kingdome and disposed thereof at their pleasure defending with their sword the feminine libertie Of the same mind was Valasqua queene of the Bohemians vvho conspiring with the principall ladies of that kingdome effected the same thing but I beleeue you are not nowe a daies of so haughty a courage Howsoeuer it