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A96398 The Quakers no deceivers, or, The management of an unjust charge against them confuted. Being a brief return to a pamphlet, intituled, The Quakers proved deceivers ... by John Horne ... / by one who is counted a deceiver, yet true, George Whitehead. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1660 (1660) Wing W1948; ESTC R223010 28,303 43

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resurrection of the bodies of men c. Rep. This is another slander for we own the resurrection of the bodies both of the just and unjust according to the Scriptures and see how again this accuser is confounded He and T. M. in a Paper to me say That we we are of no judgment about the Resurrection To which I say then how should we either deny it or affirm ought of it Several other things hath I. H. also falsly accused us within in his fourth page which I have answered elsewhere And to my saying that Christ bid Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect I. H. saith Exhortations to things prove not those things to be perfectly attained by any here nor doth the Scripture ever say Let not sin be in you as if men might get it all out though it says Let it not reign in your mortal bodies Rep. Then if the things which Christ exhorted men to upon earth may not be perfectly attained by any here to what end or effect was his Exhortation What must men be under the commands after death which they had in their life time and not till then fulfill them Here 's darkness indeed manifest and the commands of God put afar off and made of none effect by such as are out of his love for he that loveth God keepeth his Commandments and is it not all one for the Scripture to say Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect as if it said Let not sin be in you Or the same to say Wash you make ye clean or keep Gods Commandments and love and serve him with all your heart soul strength and minde which must be fulfilled then what part of man must be a subject for sin to dwell in while he lives here as J. H. would have it if no part of man be a subject to sin so long as he lives then it cannot abide in him as take away the body of it and its members cannot remain And to my saying that J. H. had not proved that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived he saith How false that was appears in what J. H. said on Psal 143.2 To which I say that Scripture does not prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived for there it s said Enter not into judgment with thy servant O Lord for in thy sight shall no man living be justified and what J. H. said on this will not prove that the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them while they lived seeing the Scripture it self doth not prove it it s no matter of his words who perverts the Scriptures and that Scripture does not include the Saints as to prove them unjustified who were changed from that state wherein no man living could be justified in the sight of God and were come thorow the death and the many trials and tribulations into the life and righteousness of Christ wherin they were justified and the Prophets of the Lord who desired the Lord to cleanse them from their secret sins and from all iniquity in their life time they prayed not in vain as this Priests Doctrine in effect accuseth them in his accusing them to have sin in them so long as they lived for the Lord giveth the righteous the desires of their hearts Psal 37.4 Prov. 10.24 Again J. Horn relates part of our Discourse deceitfully and imperfectly in these words Viz J. H. Was not Paul born of God when he says We also that have the first fruits of the Spirit even we our selves groan within our selves waiting for the adoption the redemption of the body and then these words he lays down for G. W. his Answer viz. Paul when he travelled and was groaning for deliverance and waiting for the redemption of the body was not as yet born of God but afterward he witnessed a being redeemed from sin and then he was born as a woman when she is in travel to be delivered the childe is not yet born J. H. then says People I pray did you ever hear of a woman in travel before that woman was born was there ever such a thing here he says all the people fell a laughing at G. W. and then J. H. urges 1 Joh. 5.1 Whosoever beleeves that Jesus is the Christ is born of God Paul did beleeve Jesus to be the Christ when he was an Apostle and writ to the Romans and then he saith here George was pittifully put to it and all the people generally see his confusion and saith that G. W. was pittifully shackled and nonplust Here John Horne hath both belyed me and wronged my words and left out the greatest part of what I said that cleared my Answers to the understandings of such as had any sobernesse and seriousnesse in hearing the discourse And that People generally see my Confusion or that I was shackled and non-plust these are some of I.H. his lyes and scornfull aspersions cast upon me as many that heard the dispute can witness against him for impudently belying and slandering me the sum of what I answered and chiefly intended though I could not have liberty to open what I said so much there as here it was thus Paul witnessed the groaning and travelling in pain before the birth was born in him or before he was born of God or in the state of him that is born of God intending as in 1. Joh. 3. who cannot sin which Paul could when he did the evil he would not even when he travelled in pain for deliverance from the bondage of corruption for where the son or birth from above is born the glorious liberty of the sons of God is injoyed which the creature waited for and there the travelling in pain for deliverance is ceased and the bondage of corruption removed for the travel is before the birth be brought forth and as for my instancing the womans travelling in pain before the child was born J.H. hath perverted my comparison it was not intended to prove that Paul was not born into the world according to the flesh wherewith he travelled as if a woman were not so born when in travail but in reference to the travail before the birth which was from above was born and according to what I said Christ spake when he said to his disciples Ye shall weep and lament but the world shall rejoyce and ye shall be sorrowful but your sorrow shall be turned into joy a woman when she is in travail hath sorrow because her hour is come but as soon as she is delivered of the child she remembreth no more the anguish for joy that a man is born into the world Joh. 16.20 and so it was evident that the disciples of Christ knew the travail in the sorrow before the man or birth from above was born in them and they believed and hoped when they were in travail and pain before they became that birth for that birth is free and is not that