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A45397 The baptizing of infants revievved and defended from the exceptions of Mr. Tombes in his three last chapters of his book intituled Antipedobaptisme / by H. Hammond ... Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing H515A; ESTC R875 90,962 116

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