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A17036 An ansvvere to Master Cartvvright his letter for ioyning with the English Churches: whereunto the true copie of his sayde letter is annexed. Browne, Robert, ca. 1550-1633.; Cartwright, Thomas, 1535-1603.; Harrison, Robert, d. 1585?, attributed name. 1585 (1585) STC 3909; ESTC S109433 77,571 102

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thereof Otherwise Paul woulde not haue said that he which obserueth a day or he which eateth not vncleane meates obserueth the day of the Lorde or eateth not the meate to the Lord. He meaneth according to his owne interpretation verse 18. vers 4. that they serue Christ in these thinges and are acceptable vnto God and also to be approoued of men And therefore also they that were stronger and had further knowledge were to beare with the weaker and to applie their knowledge and iudgement that they put no stumbling blocke nor occasion to fall before their brethren Againe we haue a further answere by these wordes of Paul That some thinges may be done vpon iust occasion as when we are sure that we serue God therein and some thinges are simply sinne which may neuer be done vpon any occasion Such are our vyle abuses and vngodly disorders which are not as the ceremonies of the Lawe that by occasion might be obserued or not obserued as to make differēce of times or of meates but they are altogether forbidden by the word of God and therefore not indifferent as they terme them And though some thinges in them selues as they are creatures are rather cleane good and lawfull then as they terme them indifferent yet their vse or rather abusing in such manner and order is not lawfull and good neither indifferent And here againe is another obiection to be answered because when ●ing Hezekiah did celebrate the Passeouer there were many in the congregation that were not cleansed and yet did eate the Passeouer And thereby they doe gather that wicked wretches may partake with vs in the sacraments That place plainely sheweth that it was onely a ceremoniall vncleannesse and no wickednesse in the people For the people as the wordes doe testifie prepared their whole heart to seeke the Lorde God againe the same place answereth it selfe that they were not clensed according to the purification of the sanctuary whereby is ment as it is written in Nombers that they were to keepe the Passeouer notwithstanding such vncleannesse For it could no way be remedyed before the time of the Passeouer appointed And againe that ceremonie of vncleannes was cōmanded because of the sanctuarie which might not be polluted Nowe therefore they onely eating the Passeouer in their houses or tentes and not comming to the sanctuarie their ceremoniall vncleannes was no wickednesse in them For the Priestes them selues as the text declareth were not suffered to come into the Sanctuarie or Temple being not yet cleansed And yet also there is a further answere For that the ceremoniall vncleannesse was no sinne so long as it was not by their carelessenesse in auoyding it or if it had bene sinne yet it was to be counted a smaller escape or an infirmitie and no grosser wickednesse And then seeing it was openly rebuked and openly confessed and prayed for by the King and also healed in the people For the Lorde healed the people saith the text I say seeing the matter stoode so howe shal any man excuse or tollerate thereby our intollerable disorders which are also incurable For if escapes or open infirmities are not so to bee borne with but that they must be openly rebuked and mended before the offenders can communicate in the sacraments Then much rather are open grosser sinnes to be first redressed before the sinners be suffered to partake in the sacraments But Master Cartwright bringeth a place in Ieremie for defence of suspendings which the Bishops vse nowe a dayes or at least for tollerating of them that the preachers should take and giue ouer their callings as the Bishops and their officers doe appoint them Why doeth he so carelessely falsifie the Scriptures First he saith that Ieremy was suspended from preaching and then he woulde prooue that Ieremie obeyed that suspension thirdly he sayeth that Ieremie was at libertie of his bodie and fourthly that he would not preache in the Temple for making a tumult All whiche things are vtterly false and haue no shewe of trueth in thē For first it is plaine in the chapter he quoteth that he was shut vp and therefore was not at libertie of his bodye and the 32 chapter sheweth that Ieremie was shut vp in the court of the prison Then also imprisoning of a man doeth shewe a violent withholding of a man from preaching and not a suspending Further that Ieremie would obey no suspendings it is plaine by the charge and message he had from the Lorde For he was set ouer the nations and ouer the kingdomes as is written and was made an yron pillar and walles of brasse against the king the princes and the priestes and was not to bee afraide of their faces least the Lorde did destroy him before thē Indeede it is true as we haue prooued before that we are not to preach to the vnworthie as to scorners and persecuters For there is a time when the wise man shall keepe silence when scarce any is to rebuke or reprooue another But when Ieremie was shut vp there were of the princes that tooke his parte For by their meanes no doubt did Ieremie get out of the prison court and so hid him selfe with Baruch There was no such bondage of suspendings as Master Cartwright would tolerate and though there were yet Ieremie obeyed them not but onely gaue place to the tyrannie of persecuters As for the tumult he speaketh of we know that Paul him selfe though he sought peace yet he cared more for his safetye and to witnesse the trueth then he did for to raise a tumult And Ieremie also ceased not to preache still notwithstanding that a tumulte and much stirring had bene among the people and priestes and princes and Prophets and all for his preaching Whereas Master Cartwright sayeth that Christ liued in the corruptest times of the Churche and when things were most confused and fewest steppes of any lawfull calling to be seene he is therein fowly ouerseene For those were the dayes wherein the Lord did powre vpon the house of Dauid vpon the inhabitants of Ierusalem the spirit of grace of compassion wherein also he did cut off the names of the Idoles from amongst his people as againe it is prophecied so that they were no more remēbred and he did cause the false prophets the vncleane spirits to depart from amongst thē They had the true worship of God the true safices the order of the priestes and Leuites their callings according to the Law of Moses The church was separated frō the wicked frō the sect of the Saduces frō the idolatrous Samari●ans There were very many good men women as Zacharie the Father of Iohn Baptist and his wife Simeon and Anna and Nathaniel and many other all which I neede not to recken vp For there were great multitudes that heard Iohn Baptistes doctrine and were