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A42771	A treatise of miscellany questions wherein many usefull questions and cases of conscience are discussed and resolved ... / by Mr. George Gillespie ... ; published by Mr. Patrik Gillespie ...	Gillespie, George, 1613-1648.; Gillespie, Patrick, 1617-1675.	1649 (1649)	Wing G761; ESTC R8829	216,733	306

the Church as hee alloweth to prophesie in the Church that is as two or three of the Prophets may speak by course in one Assembly so may two or three speak by course in a strange tongue so that one interpret 1 Cor 14. 27 29. Moreover whereas it is supposed by our dissenting brethren that all or most of the Church women excepted did prophesie they must upon the very same ground suppose that all or most of the Church women excepted spake strange tongues in the Church For in the same place where 't is said that every one of them had a Doctrine and Revelation 't is said also that every one of them had a tongue and an Interpretation 1. Cor 14. 26. Which tongues considered and compared together it will be found that if the reasons hold good and the consequences be valid which are brought for the prophesying of gifted members out of office and that therein they have the Church of Corinth a president the like reasons and al 's strong consequences will prove that any two or three of a Church who shall happilie have the gift of strange tongues may speak by course in the Church so that one Interpret and that the Church of Corinth is as good a president for this as for the other Let our Brethren therefore either make both these gifts prophesie and tongues in the Church of Corinth to bee extraordinary and miraculous and so neither of them to bee an ordinary president or otherwise they must make them both to be set forth for ordinary Patterns and presidents and so begin to cry up tongues as well as prophesying for if the gift of prophesie be such as men may attaine by industrie and study so is the gift of tongues I know no way to loose the knot without acknowledging that both the gift of tongues and that of prophesie were extraordinary and miraculous which is the truth These are the reasons which I lean to in this matter I come next to answere Objections The first three Objections I finde in the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 concerning Ordination But I shall answere other Objections also omitted there but which have been objected by others Object 1. The Prophets 1 Cor 14 were not immediatlie inspired with prediction for women that were so inspired might deliver their prophesie in the Church but there women are forbidden to speak vers 34. Answ 1. But where finde we that women which were prophetesses and immediately inspired were allowed to deliver their prophesie in the Church I suppose he had a respect to 1 Cor 11. 5. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head covered dishonoureth her head which is meaned of the publicke Assemblie for the Apostle is speaking of covering or uncovering the head in the Church But diverse Interpreters understand here by a woman that prayeth or prophesieth a woman that joyneth as a hearer in the publicke Assemblie and so vers 4. by a man that prayeth or prophesieth a man that is a hearer and joyneth in the ordinances So that the Geneva annotation upon verse 5. gives a good sence of that Text That women which shew themselves in publick and ecclesiasticall Assemblies without the signe and token of their subjection that is to sa●… uncovered shame themselves See more for th●…s in Junius his annotations on the Arabike version in that place ●… If the Apostle by prophesying 1 Cor 11. 4. 5. Understand prophesying by immediate inspiration then the Objection may bee retorted and turned into an Argument against the Objectors For the sence of the word prophesying in the 11. Chap may give light to the word prophesying in the 14. Chap. 3. Peter Martyr loc com eccles 4. cap 1. Is indeed of opinion that women which were prophetesses and extraordinarly inspired might sp●…ak in the Church provided that their heads were covered in token of foeminine subjection and that the forbidding of women to speak in the Church extendeth to such and so hee reconcileth 1 Cor. 14. 34. 1 Tim. 2. 13. with 2 Cor 11. 5. I doubt his opinion in this particular is not well grounded onely so farre I make use of it that if 1 Cor 11. 5. be meant of prophetesses praying or prophesying in the Church which the Objector hath to prove Then certainely the forbidding of women to speak in the Church cannot be understood universallie but with a reserve and exception of extraordinary cases But how can this exception of prophetesses consist with with the Text Let your women keep silence in the Church Why 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Your women they had prophesying women as is supposed by these of the other opinion from 1 Cor 11. 5. Nay even your women must be silent saith the Apostle and the reasons which he addeth are so universall as to comdrehend even prophetesses they are commanded to be under obedience and to be in subjection which Martyr himselfe noteth holds true of prophesying women as well as others and that for that cause their heads were to be covered Another reason is added 1 Tim. 2. 14. Adam was not deceaved but the woman being deceaved was in the transgression It might be feared saith P. Martyr if women were permitted to speak in the Church Sathan should returne to his first wyle and deceave the man by the woman Surely he that made use of Evah might also make use of a prophesying woman to deceave and so much the more because now since the fall both man and woman are more subject to tentation So that both the Apostles command and the reasons of it seem plainly to exclude even prophesying women from speaking in the Church and if they be allowed to deliver extraordinary prophesies and revelations in the Church why not also to prophesie as other gifted members If that which is greater be allowed them why not that which is lesse And if prophetesses be excepted from the rule 1 Cor 14. 34. Why not also other women of excellent gifts Object 2. The Apostle 1 Cor. 14. 24 26. speaks of prophesie as a gift in all or most of the members of the Church and forbids it to none but women Answ 1. I have already proved from 1 Cor 12. 28 29. and 13. 2. and 14. 6. that prophesie even in those dayes was not a common but a rare and singular gift So ibid vers 5 when he saith I would that all spake with tongues but rather that yee prophesied hee intimateth that all of them did not prophesie 2. When the Apostle speaks by way of supposition vers 24 But if all prophesie this proves not that all did prophesie neither can the very supposition bee understood universally For if an unbeleever had come into their Assembly and heard all and every one of them prophesying sure he had been so farre from being wonne thereby that he had been more alienated from such a confusion 3. That which gives greatest collour to the Objection is vers 26. When yee come together every one of you hath