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A33370 A paradisical dialogue betwixt faith and reason disputing the high mysterious secrets of eternity, the like never extant in our revelation. As touching God in eternity, how he became time in flesh, and how he dyed in the grave, and ascended to his glory again. Also what the angels are in form and nature, and how the angel became a devil, and that devil man; and that this world was prepared for the devil, so this the devils kingdom; and what the soul is, with the place of its glory and torment. With a brief narration what a commission is, and how many commissions there are; what the difference of their worships, and how that the law was given to the devil; with a brief discourse on the catechism, the Lords Prayer, and the creeds; as also, a divine prospect to the elect of the Lord. Written by Law. Claxton, the onely true bishop and faithful messenger of Christ Jesus, creator of heaven and earth. Claxton, Laurence, 1615-1667. 1660 (1660) Wing C4581; ESTC R215220 88,691 122

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temptation whatsoever though it was in a house of clay Faith Again and again against all thy seed I affirm that the soul of Adam was onely of the divine nature in its creation yet because it was one essence with a body that was taken out of dust it was both probable and capable to be thought into a condition of entering dust again and that for these ensuing particulars First to fullfil these Scriptures saying In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt die the death And in the sweat of thy Gen. 3. 19. face thou shalt eat thy bread till thou return to the earth for out of it thou wast taken because thou art dust and to dust thou shalt return again Secondly if the body of Adam had been immortal in his creation as well as his soul he would not onely have been uncapable of natural generation but also he would have been uncapable of any transmutation whatsoever and where then had been the prerogative power of infinite wisdom and transcendent glory of the Creator ever been seen or known by angels or men And therefore it was Adam knew not whether he should stand or fall from his present state or no neither did he know what power he was indued withal in his created purity neither did he know any greater glory but what then at present he enjoyed so that if Adam had known that he had power in his own will to preserve himself in his present condition thou mayest be sure if he could have kept himself in that blessed state he would never have lost it for making use of all the power that was in him to have resisted a temptation unto rebellion in which he knew there was a threatning of a loss of that created glory he enjoyed as aforesaid CHAP. 7. Shewing who it was that tempted Adam and who it was that tempted Eve whether it was the Angel aforesaid and if so why he is called a Serpent a Tree c. and how and which way they were deceived and what effects it hath ever sinee produced Reason HOwever I cannot believe whatever thou hast related as touching these things yet tell me who it was and by what means Adam was deceived Faith I say though the Soul of Adam was Divine and free from all kinde of rationality so could not possibly have any desire in him after any carnal copulation with his Wife for I know that carnal pleasures were too low for a spiritual Soul whose nature was variety of Divine satisfaction in it self and therefore the woman Eve through the permission of God was first guilty of the transgression of lust and so tempted her innocent Husband to lye with her if possible to cover her folly And now from the Lord I say that the carnal I desire in her towards her Husband proceeded not from her Divine purity but from the rational nature of the unclean Serpent within her Reason Now I understand that thou makest Faith and Reason two contraries as fire and water so that from hence I understand that Seed thou callest Faith hath no desire but that all desire doth onely 〈◊〉 from Reason al he Faith Whether thou understand or ●o yet this I shall reveal to thee that God is now a body of flesh and bone glorified with all Divine spiritual Heavenly Faith and no Reason as aforesaid for ● so ● God himself wo●ld be subject to transmutation as man and so full of unsatisfaction that all his transactions would be i●perfect and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Reason Seeing thou 〈◊〉 God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i● him ●● How comes it then that God saith Come now lets reason together saith the Lord c Now if there were no Reason in God Isaiah 1. How could he have reasoned with the Rulers of Israel Faith Oh! that thou could but see how thy ignorance blinds thee from the true understanding of any Scripture as to think that God in his person should Reason with them when thou reads it was none but the Prophet Isaiah who from the Revelation of Faith in his own Soul reasoned the cause with them as from the Lord for I tell thee and all blind Quakers Reason with thee that if God were not of a nature contrary to the nature of Angels and men there could have been nothing created nor preserved in their form and order as now they are and this I know that Faith can take up the words of Reason though not inherent in it as Reason to take the vvords of Faith though not experienced in it Reason What then was that Reason which deceived Eve or was it an Apple or a Serpent for the woman said the Serpent beguiled me and I did eat Now if thou canst tell me what it was that deceived Eve Faith Though I tell thee thou canst not believe yet thou mayest read That the great Dragon the old Serpent called the Devil and Satan which deceiveth the world he was cast out into the earth therefore it is written Wo unto the Inhabiters of Rev. 12. 12 13. the earth for the Devil is come down among you So that from my Seed-spring I say that Angelical Serpent which I have discoursed with thee in the 4th Chapter was that which deceived Eve Reason I cannot find in Scripture that was an Angel which deceived Eve though I confess the Scripture saith there was an Angel cast down but for what I know not for it is written Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and in another place it is said a Serpent beguiled her not in the least relating it was an Angel so that I believe it was one of the beasts of the field which the Lord God had made and the Devil was an invisible spirit vvhich entered into the body of the Serpent and spake those subtile expressions through his mouth and so caused the vvoman to eat of the fruit of a natural Tree vvhich the Lord God had forbidden and tempting her Husband to eat of the fruit vvith her it operated that venemous evil in them and all man-kinde Faith Oh! the gross darkness that lodgeth in the spirits of the learned and unlearned of thy seed not knovving the Scriptures are generally expressed in natural terms for the manifestation of spiritual things and yet the learned of thy seed vvould persvvade men exactly to understand them in the Letter because thou measurest the glorious things of Eternity by thy rational learning vvhen thou maist read that the seed of the Devil are sometimes called by the name of Devils Dragons Vipers Serpents fruitless Trees and such like so this Angelical reprobate by vvhom Eve vvas deceived vvas called the Dragon an old Serpent the Devil Satan the Deceiver or the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and such like names sutable to his cursed nature so in truth I say that Serpent that tempted Eve vvas that Angelical Dragon-Devil aforesaid vvhich God from the highest Heavens cast down to this lowest earth and it was his seeming Divine
wisdom and Angelical person that bewitched Eves innocent Soul to hearken to him and her eyes to dote upon him for let but moderate Reason guide thee and thou maist see it must be a person more wise and comely than Adam to deceive her and therefore it is written When the Woman Gen 3 6. saw the Tree it was good for food pleasant to the eyes and a Tree to be desired to make one wise she took of the fruit thereof and she did eat and also gave to her Husband and he did eat Reason Well then suppose it be granted it was the Angel that deceived her by words What is then supposed by eating And she saw it was good food and did eat So that the words of the Angel might entice her But what was that she did eat Faith That is when the innocent Soul of Eve was over-poured by the Serpents subtile Language her spirit did consent unto him to come in to her and take full possession of her to be her God and guide instead of her Creator Now by the word eating of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil from the Lord of ever-living Faith I say that the Creator called it eating First Because none of thy seed should know the Lords secrets until it was his pleasure he would receive honour by it Secondly The Spirit of God called it eating because of the civility of the Speech for the Scripture Language is much like a modest pure Virgin which is loath to have her secret parts mentioned in the least Thirdly That she might beware how she hearkned to any voice that was contrary to the voice of the Seed of God in her so that if she should hear the voice of a stranger she should not give away as many a Virgin since hath been deluded So that I say this Angelical person entered into her womb through her secret parts and being united to her Soul and body his Serpentine nature dissolved it self into her pure Seed and defiled her throughout and so became essentially one with her through which she naturally conceived a Serpent Dragon Devil into a man-child of flesh blood and bone and brought forth her first begotten son of the Devil yea the Dragon Devil himself and called his Name according to his nature Cain or cursed though ignorantly she said that she had received a man from the Lord just so on the contrary the womb of the Virgin wife Mary was honoured with the Angelical God himself through which her polluted nature was not onely cleansed while he was in her womb but also by the vertue of the Divine power she was inhabited to conceive his glorious Majesty of her Seed into a holy Babe of unspotted flesh blood and bone and in his season to bring forth her first begotten Son of God yea the true God and everlasting Father himself and called his Name according to his Nature Emanuel Jesus or Blessed as at large is disputed in the second Chapter Reason Thou sayest eating was admitting the Angels person into her body if the Angel was of as large a compass as I am how was it possible and where do we read that God cursed the Angel and how can it be proved that Angel was the first Devil Faith As Christ said unto Nicodemus so say I unto thee though the body of the Angelical Serpent in its length or breadth was as a man is yet I know it was not of so gross a substance as mans is for it was a spiritual body created in another World for though the bodies of the mighty Angels are in forms like men yet I know they shine like unto the Sun or a flame of fire being formed in a Region of a more higher nature than this therefore they are of motion as as swift as thought and of a pure thin or bright fiery nature so that with great ease they pierce through a narrow passage at the Divine pleasure of the Creator Reason Were it so as thou savest What harm or defilement could this be to her Soul or body he being a person so glorious I conceive it should rather endue her with more knowledge than before Faith Though the Angel was glorious in person yet his nature was corrupt in comparison of hers even as that blood which is defiled vvith the Pox or Gangreen Novv this man to enter the body of a vvoman vvhose blood is pure and free from any corrupt distemper Is it not a defilement to her body Even so his Serpent●ne Reason dissolved it self into her pure Seed of Faith and became essentially one vvith her through vvhich she vvas Soul and body de●●ed throughout by vvhich she lost her Divine satisfaction and Heavenly Peace that formerly she enjoyed in her ovvn Soul Reason Hovv vvill this stand agreeable to Scripture vvhen thou sayest it vvas an Angel that deceived Eve and the Letter saith it was a Serpent And besides it is written God cursed not the Angel but the Serpent What then dost thou say the Angel was the Serpent And if so what glory was there in a Serpent And where was the Angel or Serpent when cursed Faith Though I have told thee of this before yet now I tell thee again he was called a Serpent as unto the subtility of his nature or seed and that Serpentine Angelical form that by enticing words did deceive her was wholly dissolved into seed in her womb when the Eternal curse was passed upon him Reason If the Angelical person was in the body of Eve when he received his curse How then could he be capable of understanding a Sentence denounced against him being in the womb and changed from his former condition as thou hast revealed Faith The curse denounced by the Creator upon the Serpent in the womb of Eve was not for his satisfaction in the least but to convince Eve of her deceived thoughts of possessing such God-like happiness promised to her by the Angel also it was to convince her of doting of her first born but instead of rejoicing in him at his birth her Soul would not only loath his company but would also cast him out of her presence least he should murther her as he did his Brother Abel for her tender compassion towards him Furthermore it was spoken for her Divine satisfaction when the light of Redemption should shine in her deceived Soul and shew her that her first-born son was not from the Lord but the Angelical Serpent cursed in her womb by the Creator Reason Why should the Serpent and his generation undergo an eternal curse and Eve and her generation suffer but an external curse seeing she rebelled against a greater light than the Angel Faith I know she was utterly uncapable of eternal curse for these considerations First Because her Soul proceeded from a Heavenly Nature of Eternal Majesty himself Secondly Because that consent in her to evil proceeded not from her own nature but the unclean spirit of the Serpent speaking into her innocent Soul
Reason Seeing the Serpent before he tempted Eve was called A Tree of knowledge of good and evil surely then that good was not cursed but the evil onely and on the contrary Eve partaking in her womb of the evil seed must be evil also Faith Though the Angel had been a Tree in his first estate which knew nothing but good before Eve or Adam had any sensible beings yet being fallen from his created purity he was become a Tree of sin or evil onely So that he was a cursed out-cast Tree from the glorious presence of life Eternal before his visible appearing unto Eve so that he was far from repenting of rebellion against God yea altogether uncapable of reproof of sin whereby he might be restored from his wretched estate that he did utterly abhor both God and man unless he might be Ruler over them when on the contrary Eve through temptation was overcome by the Serpent yet she had some relenting light of life left in her after her rebellion which occasioned a secret shame and confusion of Soul in her so that she was capable of being made a good Tree again yea a Tree of more transcendent glory than she was before Reason By this I understand that the Seed of the Woman and the seed of the Angel were two contrary seeds then tell me whether the Seed of the Woman was before or in his fall and the Seed of the Woman blessed before or after his fall Faith That there is two Seeds or Trees of Eternal life thou maist read A good Tree cannot bring forth evil fruit nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit therefore by their fruits they are known So that the Serpent angelical tree being reprobate to all manner of evil therefore he and his seed of men and women vvere not onely cursed in the vvomb of Eve but also before the world vvas but on the contrary innocent Eve being a good Tree in her creation through her proceeding from the Divine Nature of the Tree of Eternal glory so that it vvas impossible that she and Adam or any of their Seed should eternally peris●● because they vvere Trees Elected to bring forth good fruit unto everlasting life and glory long before the creating of this vvorld Reason Hovvever thou seems to prove that it was no natural Tree so no natural apple then vvhat dost thou say to those sayings vvhere he is called A Serpent and cursed above all cattel Gen. 3. and every beast of the field upon thy belly shalt thou go and dust shalt thou eat all the dayes of thy life So if it vvere not a natural Serpent that tempted Eve Why then doth not Cain and all his seed being as thou sayest of the Serpentine nature yet men and vvomen I say why do not those men go upon their belly and lick up dust vvhile they live in this vvorld Faith Hovvever thou or all thy seed vainly dream of Apples pulled from vvoodden trees or of a natural Serpent or an evil spirit in the body of an ignorant horned beast or any such like imaginary fancy concerning the deceiving of Eve yet I having the Spirit of Revelation do knovv that the Serpent vvhich beguiled Eve vvas that Angelical Reprobate cast dovvn from the Kingdom of glory also I knovv that the Serpentine Angel deceived Eve not upon a natural account but a spiritual account in that she vvas ignorant of lusting after a man until she had obeyed the Serpents voice Novv vvhen the curse vvas denounced upon the Serpent and his seed that Angelical Serpent vvas not vvithout but vvithin the vvomb of Eve as aforesaid and he vvas called a Serpent because of his exceeding subtility Novv if it had been a natural Serpent vvithout her vvhat prejudice had the tenour of that curse been to Eve or Adam It vvas as good to him to eat of the fruit of the Tree as the choicest things that one being as natural to him as to the other and also what dammage had it been to the woman for to curse a natural serpent without her or suppose that curse had been denounced against an evil spirit distinct from the soul and body of Eve what harm would that have been to Adam and Eve or their generation or who should regard a Curse upon any devil in the least so that he himself be not that evil spirit or devil so cursed and who is it but that serpentine nature the devil that goeth upon their belly and lick up the dust of this world is it not that unclean reason and wicked imagination that was in Cain and now is in all his angels who are the lords of this earth or god of this world whose spirits wholly thirst after things that perish and are never in their proper center but when they are licking that is feeding upon gold and silver riches and honor of this world which is no more then the dust of the earth which the fair Ladies and rich men of the world lick up all the days of their life Reason Suppose it should be granted that that serpent by whom Eve was beguiled was none of the trees of this creation or an evil spirit in the body of a natural serpent as by me is believed but it was an absolute serpent devil as before hath been related by thee and that it entered into Eve and in her womb was pronounced cursed by the Creator and so naturally brought forth himself a cursed Cain of her seed what was this unto Eve or why should she suffer any kinde of punishment for being overcome by an enemy that was too mighty for her Reason Though the soul of Eve was not onely purely created in its kinde like unto other creatures but it was also of the very same nature of his most glorious spirit that formed it so that she could not be ignorant in the least that all obedience was most due unto her Creators command also the Creator by his royal will for the manifestation of his glorious power might give his creature a spiritual law yea life and light in its self and yet reserve to himself the prerogative power of it so that the Creator might present unto the view of his image a serpent devil for the trial of his workmanship and yet might upon pain of death forbid his creature for having to do with that tree or of hearkning to it in the least also I know the divine Creator might leave his divine image unto his present strength through which by a subtile enemy she might be tempted and overcome to commit evil with the angel against its Creators law and yet its sin be upon its own head and that because it rebelled not onely against its divine light but principally because their was no law to bind an infinite Majesty to protect Eve in her created purity and whether her enemy was too potent for her that was hid from her eyes by the unsearchable wisdom of the Creator so that seeing the wonderful wisdom