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but_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v offer_v but_o once_o and_o can_v be_v reiterated_a for_o jesus_n christ_n die_v no_o more_o rom._n 6._o therefore_o there_o must_v be_v another_o perpetual_a sacrifice_n in_o the_o church_n which_o jesus_n christ_n offer_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o priest_n which_o can_v be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n viz._n the_o sacrifice_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n under_o the_o species_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n typify_v by_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o broad_a and_o wine_n of_o melchisedeck_v answer_n rodon_n 21._o to_o this_o i_o answer_v first_o that_o the_o hebrew_n word_n do_v not_o signify_v bring_v but_o bring_v draw_v out_o cause_v to_o be_v bring_v etc._n etc._n but_o our_o adversary_n falsify_v the_o text_n thus_o to_o make_v way_n for_o another_o falsification_n viz._n to_o put_v