the mans fancie and design is in bruiting and making such a noyse of the the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his own follie in blazing abroad such dreams of his own lying heart as if he could perswade people to believe that he can tell them of a lying wonder Well but all judgement is given to the Son and by his light and spirit in them they assume to judge all error and bind all persons that oppose them as they tell me in his power thou art bound and thy error judged Themselves you see are set in the Throne of Christ and under the notion of a Christ they are judgeing the whole world but if all judgement be given to the Son of man in them whom they hold is not distinct from themselves then men must honour their persons as they honour the Father and every knee must bow to them in Heaven and Earth Christ came not to judge the world but that the world should be saved through him while the day of salvation lasteth Nay he forbids this judging Judge not lest you be judged and will they say that the person of Christ is come from heaven and appears in his Majesty and Glory with his mighty Angels in them why do they not command the dead to arise and appear before them and receive their everlasting Doom but they will sooner deny the resurrection and say it 's past already with Hymeneus and Philetus then raise one dead Corps to life again But let them tell us plainly how Christ is the sole Judge of error and how persons are judged in the time of Grace by Christ in them if not by his word that shall judge all at the last day that reject it and not receive it by what then They say the light of Christ Ausw 1. Are not the holy Scriptures a light given to the Church by Christ the head thereof 2. Christ is to be considered in his person and natures simply or in his Authority and divine operations vertually There is not any whom Christ dwells in by his person and natures for so he is farre above all heavens at the right hand of God Act. 7. And it is blasphemy to say that Christ is in them by his person as God and man and to deny the glorified body of Christ that God hath raised from the dead as the Quakers do and will not allow the Divinity of Christ any other union with his humane Nature but what he hath with his body the Church is a pernicious blasphemous opinion also for by this they make all the particular bodies of his Saints to be but one and that the Godhead is in them bodily so that the Saints are God and man in one person as Howgill Borrough and others commonly spaeke And hence they judge that Christs sufferings in them makes satisfaction for all their own sins and so make the death of Christ in that body that suffered at Jerusalem of none effect as to satisfaction and salvation they call him a Christ without which was but a type and figure of this Christ within but to leave these Infidell Dreams I told you that Christ is to be considered in his Authority as revealed unto us in his word by commands backed with promises and Precedents for to encourage to obedience And 2. His Commands are guarded with menaces and threats and with Precedents of Gods executing his judgements upon transgressors for the terror of those that shall transgresse afterwards And this written word of God is the sole Judge of error given by Christ to that very end And those Divine operations and workings of Christ in the hearts of those whom he doth quicken with his speciall renewing grace doe work up his peoples spirits to a willing obedience to his holy rule prescribed in the holy Scriptures Now for them to say that the power and workings of Christ in his chosen and the gifts of grace he gives to them is Christ and the eternall word that made the world is such a frenzie that cannot be expressed as if every influence and operation the Sun hath upon the Earth upon Plants and all other creatures so farre distant and distinct from it were the Sun or as if every drop of water that the clouds exhale out and scatter from the Sea was the Sea or as if the gift was the giver but we may question whether they that thus spake of a Christ in them that made the World know any thing of Christ or of themselves as they ought to know at all In the next place they tell me Thou in thy dark mind talkest of the Revelations of Christ and the Apostles Doctrine and the Christians life and the ground of their obedience all which thou thou art a stranger to as is manifest by these thy following words Namely where I writ to them thus That God hath ordained the holy Scriptures alone to be the object of Faith and ground of all our obedience and serving of God and to do any religious service to God out of any other rule or principle is but Will-worship and to follow the imaginations of our own hearts serving the Divell and not God Unto this they Answer With the eternall word of God that was from the beginning art thou judged to be none of Abrahams seed and art raised out from his faith to which thou art a stranger for it had an object before the Scripture was written in which faith he see Christs day who is the object of our faith and ground of our obedience Heb. 11.16 c. And in his light we see thee to be in the Will-worship who obeyes from another ground and walks after the imaginations of thy own heart which leads thee to worship the Devill in bringing forth the many lies in this paper which he hath begotten in thee who is the Father of lies My reply to theirs is In these lines the spirit in them moved very strongly as the indifferent Reader may easily judge by their insolent rash censures and ignominious crimes they reproach me with for my asserting that which every one that is a Christian can do no lesse then own namely That God hath ordained the holy Scriptures alone to be the object of faith and ground of all our obedience and serving of God c. For this I am sentenced by the eternall word to be none of Abraham's seed and rased from his faith But 1. How shall I be sure they received this sentence from the eternall word which they have pronounced against me it being so directly contrary to what Christ hath forbidden Judge not lest you be judged Mat. 7. And they themselves say in their Answer to the Question we are upon That the Revelations of Christ are according to Scripture if this judging came to them by Revelation from Christ how will you make it to accord and be reconcileable with Scripture I but say they Thou art judged
I beseech you dear friends consider are not such things as these evident expresses of dark deluded minds that have forsaken the right way and are entangled as you see Let me entreat your patience and diligence seriously to read these few sheets without prejudice and contempt the Lord knowes what diligence and tendernesse of bowels I have had to prepare this for you and some others to prevent and reduce from these dangerous snares which I am more sensible of and affected with then any temptation common to man that ever I heard of before It 's carryed on with such mysterious wiles that poor souls are surprized and taken in the net with great content and the more they are surprized the better pleased and readier to embrace whatever is suggested and rarely do any return from this Apostasie that were knowing practising Christians before But I have enlarged my self and opened my heart to my friends of Farndon in this Tract and I hope it will not be an offence unto them if it be it was hoped and intended otherwise I am confident your own hearts will witnesse unto most I have wrote although it be against that way which for the present you groundlesly adore As for those persons that have answered me who have charged me with bringing forth many lies and slanders and have made a noyse thereof as if I were some carnall lying wretch that matter not what I write those that are sober and of judgement may easily conceive by my Questions and Replies what lies I have brought forth and what lies those are they charge me with even such that the holy Scriptures witnesse to be the will and truth of God and as for any personall lye why have they not made the discovery Themselves cannot but be sensible that they have accused me of slanders in things that themselves have published which I did not know of untill afterwards by their own Books But let me desire you in your returns to answer to the main strength that is against you soberly and with as great a strength of reason and of Scripture Authority as you can for nothing else is like to take with him you oppose and be ashamed to asperse and reproach me to the world with meer impudence for want of just matter which trade is too common with you and those of your way to those of best quality and esteem amongst Christians But look into your own Papers and in cold blood consider how frequent you are in reviling and censuring of those that you have nothing to accuse them of justly from any Scripture ground but because they oppose you for being adversaries unto the truth As for your queries at last the most of them have been answered by a Reverend Minister of the Gospel Mr. Baxtor who is sufficiently reviled and reproached for his pains But the day is coming that will declare every mans work of what sort it is And I judge it necessary first to be resolved what the Rule is that we are to answer from to yours seeing you have denyed the Scriptures for being a perfect Rule of faith and obedience for my part I judge those not worthy to be answered at all nor in the least to be regarded that have denyed the Rule of Scriptures and were it not for the sake of those that are ignorant of their deceits and apt to be taken with the cunning sleight of seducing men and in hope of convincing my friends that I might be an Instrument to informe the one and reduce the other I had never engaged with these unperswadeable perverse men so wholly turned from the truth as he that runs may read and clearly see John Timson A VINDICATION OF Some Questions propounded to the QVAKERS The first Question WHether the holy Scriptures be the true declaration of the will and mind of God which doth oblige all that professe them necessarily to know believe and observe them as the only rule of faith and obedience The Quakers Answer The Scriptures are a true declaration of the things beleeved among the Saints and a true Testimonie of Jesus but not any doth them know by the outward declaration but by the word of Faith in the mouth and in the heart which word of Faith we preach Rom. 10. My Reply The Answer seems to be in the affirmative by saying the Scriptures are a true declaration of the things beleeved among the Saints But first the Question is who you mean by Saints whether your selves that are against all outward administrations and formes of worship in the Church as the Scriptures teach or those Saints of God that are willing to subject themselves to observe and do whatever is revealed to be done from the written word which hath been the profession and practice of all sound Christians both in and since the Apostolicall Churches unlesse some few upstart Hereticks or Apostates or profane have done otherwise Prove that ever any had the title of Saints Beleivers Christians c. that came not under Water Baptisme the Lords Supper the Churches watch and rule Censures c. which you deny and therefore it stands you upon to prove your selves Saints distinct from Apostates In your answer to this all you say is this That this charge is but a lying Slander and bid me prove it or else let thy mouth be stopped To this I answer What proof would you have Is it not your own profane language both in your Papers and conference It is no newes to heare most of your way to dispute against Water Baptisme the Lords Supper a setled fixed Ministry over particular Churches Tel us what Quakers administer Water Baptism the Lords Supper and constantly watch over a particular Flock or else for shame own the charge and confesse your sin in telling the world that these are my lying slanders when I know and your own consciences do witnesse it that what I have accused you of is the plain truth Nay William Duesbury saith in a lying Paper called A true Prophesie of the mighty day of the Lord already risen in the North of England c. in which paper he makes it his work to reproach and slander the Ordinances of Gospell worship under the notion of outward observations which Christs Kingdome cometh not in Luk. 17. And thus he accounts of all the Ordinances and institutions prescribed by Christ himself in the Apostolicall Churches and accounts all the strict observing of outward formes of Worship is but imitating the Saints practices in this Babylonish and heathenish wisdome all this outward forme is the outward Court which is without the Temple pag. 1 2. meaning they are without the Church and therefore calls them Babylonish and Heathenish as in his 4 pag. is more clear where he profanely compares the holy Ordinances and institutions of the Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzar 's proud nature spoken of by Daniel Dan. 3.3 That Image was but a type and figure of this which now shines
things upon the Crosse in whom the Godhead dwelt bodily and from whom all that any hath is received he was the Lamb of God that takes away the sinnes of the world by offering up himself an oblation once for all the just for the unjust that he might bring us unto God and obtain an eternall redemption for us and yet this insolent polluted lying worme makes himself equall in perfection with Christ the only Son of the living God You may see of what spirit your leaders are of and how unlike the Prophets and Apostles these are which cause you to erre by their lies But why is it thus with you that you should be left of God to heap up to your selves such perverse teachers that reproach the ordinances and institutions of our Lord as heathenish and the wisdome of the flesh and outward observations which Christs Kingdome comes not in But the Kingdome of Heaven is within you Luk 17. say they But where are the commands institutions and appointments of Christ to his Church called Observations the Pharises to whom Christ spake had such expectations touching the Kingdome and coming of the Messiah that he should come in great power and pomp like unto earthly Potentates and so redeeme Israel from that bondage they were in hence Christ tells them the Kingdome of Heaven comes not in observations but is within you look into your old Bibles and in the margin it is rendred or among you and as others the Kingdome of heaven is in the midst of you according to the Originall You may see that he gave his Apostles charge to teach all that came under Baptisme to observe and doe all the Commands of Christ Mat. 28.29 and in so doing they had the promise of his presence to give his blessings alwaies but these seducers say Christ is not in outward forms and observations as they in derision call the Ordinances and Institutions of Gospel Worship Christ walks in the midst of the seven Golden Candlesticks and commands our observance in the duties of his own institute Worship with the promise of his presence alwayes they say no Christ is not here but he is within you without all this adoe teaching men to break the Commands of Christ which the faithfull in all ages have been so carefull and zealous in the observing thereof and have witnessed unto with their bloud against both heathenish and Antichristian persecutors Dear friends be not deceived with vain words but bethink with your own hearts from what you are fallen how could you quench out the light and fire of the Spirit in you that you have received with such evident conviction that hath thrown down all before it and acted you twentie years to make conscience of the Commands of Christ both private and publike what conflictings of Spirit and sinnings against light and hardening your hearts against Gods fear and the strivings of his Spirit have you withstood and resisted before you could sin and be quiet in the wilfull neglect of all duties of Christianity what hath your backslidings been You first fell off from Infant Baptisme then from the publike ministry then from Water Baptisme it self and from all the Ordinances in the Church cavilling against all formes of Worship and then to speak diminishingly of the holy Scriptures and at length to forsake all means whatever and to pretend an immediate living in God in the neglect of all things commanded in the word But when you attain to live upon an immediate blessing of Divine Providence without plowing and sowing eating and drinking and cloathing in order to the preserving the life of nature then you may think to live immediately upon God to the preserving the life of Grace and not till then God hath appointed the use of means for the life and growth in Grace as of the life of the body and your diligence and care for the preserving the life of nature will condemne your negligence and presumption in the other in that day when God shall judge the secrets of men by the Gospell of Christ What promises doth God make to any to give them his Spirit and happinesse without enquiring after God in wayes of his own prescribing The most freest promises made to the Church of the Jewes Ezek. 36. are bounded with this Provise Yet will I be inquired of by you for all these things Chouse of Israel but the way and method you are taught is contrary you must cease from all religious duties of commanded Worship without scruple or check of Conscience before you can enjoy God and be taught immediately what to doe first put out the true light and power of Conscience to do its office by neglecting or despising the means of enlightning and convincing it to act in the soul and then resolve to follow the immediate commands of Conscience without questioning the Author of these laws at all Oh depth of deceit and delusion and yet obvious to those that are not in these snares and were it not that there is a spirituall judgement upon the heart for former coldnesse people should not be left to such thick darknesse and blindnesse from which they are moved to deny their former forwardnesse in holy observances and belie the Lord in saying they never received God by frequenting the publick ministry and ordinances which are called by them outward observations being very zealous to asperse that good way themselves have given good encouragement and been an ensample to others to follow Is it not an evil with a witnesse to fall off from Christian obedience your selves have with zeale and good conscience been forward and active in but you must now renounce and deny the good ways of the Lord and disswade others from walking therein can this be from the same Spirit that called you out of darknesse to the light of Grace and out of profaneness wherein you all had your conversation in the dayes of youth and vanitie to serve the blessed God religiously in all good Conscience and holy sear above twentie years if this great change of heart and life was the work of God from whom is this change of mind now that moves you to deny the things that have been wrought do you think that God is contrary to himself or do you think that all those inclinations to holinesse and constancie in wayes of righteousnesse to do Gods will were from the Devil Well consider what you have been and how contrary minded you are now to what you were to change from worse to better is highly commendable but to change from better to wore is the highest of desperate folly but to despise and reproach those things of God once received is most desperate and dangerous But I must hasten The Second Question propounded WHether any other Revelations and observances not to be found in the Scriptures be as binding to the Conscience as the holy Scriptures are or whether such Revelations and Dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to a
the preaching of the Doctrine of faith Neither is there salvation in any other but in that Saviour and Redeemer which the Apostles preached Act. 9.12 for there is no other name under heaven given amongst men whereby we must be saved but the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom the Jewes crucified and God raised from the dead ver 11. and this name and person Christ Jesus designed of God to be a Saviour cannot any know of or believe in him but by the help of Scriptures or the ministrie thereof and he that believes not in this name Christ Jesus the Son of the living God shall be damned Mark 16.16 And doth not our Saviour affirme that salvation is of the Jewes as they were the Church of God peculiar from all other people under heaven because unto them was committed the Oracles of God and is not the christian Church grafted into them and peculiar from all others Infidels and misbelievers and have the same and more spirituall priviledges and blessings of the Covenant while all others are left to wander in their own wayes were not the Apostles Doctrine which they preached the only means of enlightning the dark world and let them shew us where and to whom they preached the light in men to be the Gospell and Christ within them that the Gentiles should be saved by No they preached Christ crucified a dying bleeding Christ for remission of sins It pleased God by the foolishnesse of preaching Christ as they did to save them that believe as they were fitted and sent of God so they were directed in doing his work faithfully and were accompanyed with an answerable successe witnesse the many Churches that they gathered and converted to the christian faith turning them from darknesse to the true light and from the power of Satan unto God striving to preach Christ where he never had been named before Rom. 15.20 And what Christ did they preach is easie to determine may the Scriptures judge Either let these sinners against their own souls preach the same Christ to sinners for the same ends and purposes as the Scriptures witnesse of the Apostles or else let their lying mouths be stopped and persist no further in deceiving themselves and seducing others Reader thou canst not but judge the Question rational and religious if the Scriptures may judge and to be answered in the negative and yet these men who out of their thick darknesse having denyed the Scriptures to be the Rule of faith and obedience are forced to forge out of their dark imaginations another Rule of revealing Christ to lost man besides the Scriptures which Rule is in every man sometimes under the notion off light within law of the heart heer they bring in an unlimited power of God distinct from the use of those Ordinances and wayes which God hath appointed to make usefull in those Divine discoveries of Christ the only Mediator between God and sinfull man and without which Christ as Mediator and Redeemer is not known nor believed in unto salvation at all They carp and cavill at my expressions because the Question is to Gods ordinary and usual dealings with the souls of men and have waved the extraordinary and unusuall operations of the hidden unlimited power of God doing what he will to Infants distracted deaf in the Church in shewing them mercie but they reject all ordinary means of Scripture and ordinances therein appointed and onely set up an immediate unlimited power of God though if the word of an Apostle be of credit before them the Gospell of Christ is the power of God to salvation Rom. 1.16 So necessary is the ministry of the Gospell to salvation that it 's called the power of God to that end and yet I have all along yeelded that to the means must be added a Divine hand in working effectually upon the souls of men or else nothing can be wrought unto salvation and as for the expressions themselves it is not much materiall that they be found in Scripture so long as the thing and sense is there as hath and much more might be added in proof thereof were it needfull The word ordinary food is in Ezekiel Ezek. 16.27 there the Lord threatned to deny it which were their dayly bread but I say the thing it self is grounded upon Scriptures Israel drank of water in the Brooks and Springs and Wells that they digged which was ordinary and yet Gods gift they also drank of water that God gave them out of a Rock in the Wildernesse where no water was before and thâ—t was extraordinary Israel took of their Dough for bread which they had prepared in Aegypt and that was ordinary but when their food was spent the Lord gave them bread from heaven and that was extraordinary for a time till they could be put into a capacity of ordinary food again I might instance in twenty things more but I forbear But see the peversenesse of these men because God at some times hath revealed himself immediately by his Spirit without means therefore they conclude he doth so still although we have his word to reveal his mind and will unto us in all things necessary to be known and done Their quotations are perverted and wrested as they do all other Scriptures to their own destruction and to what end do they quote Scriptures in proof of any thing they assert while they deny the Scriptures to be the Rule of faith and obedience In my reply I urged Joh. 5.39 against the latter part of their Answer in which I told them that Christ commands the Jewes to search the Scriptures for in them you think to have eternall life and they are they which testifie of me But these Quakers say contrary He that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the Scriptures and regards not the light that comes from Christ deceives himself To this I said it seems the holy Scriptures are opposed to the light which comes from Christ and I judge that the Scriptures are a light that comes from Christ and the only way and means appointed by God both to know and believe in Christ to eternall life where and to whom the Lord is pleased to give his blessing Their Answer To say that we speak contrary to Christ is false but he that reads the Scriptures and regards not the light which gave them forth to learn wrests them to his own destruction 2 Pet. 3.16 and so deceivs himself and such are they that put them in place of the light and think them the only way and means appointed by God to eternal life Answ Did not Christ approve of the Jewes opinion in thinking that in the Scriptures they should have eternal life for where is there any promise of eternal life or discovery of the way and means to attain it but in the Scriptures and from that good opinion the Jewes had of the truth of Scriptures Christ refers them to the Scriptures as bearing testimony that he