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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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etc._n etc._n be_v accept_v as_o church-member_n in_o general_a and_o so_o of_o every_o church_n in_o particular_a and_o that_o even_o upon_o their_o baptism_n although_o this_o anti-baptism_n will_v have_v you_o believe_v that_o in_o the_o second_o of_o the_o act_n baptism_n and_o add_v to_o the_o church_n appear_v to_o be_v two_o distinct_a thing_n who_o i_o will_v have_v remember_v solomon_n his_o advice_n prov._n 30.6_o add_v thou_o not_o to_o his_o word_n lest_o he_o reprove_v thou_o and_o thou_o be_v find_v a_o liar_n but_o john_n bunyan_n be_v now_o grow_v positive_a and_o confident_o say_v pag._n 76._o take_v it_o again_o baptism_n make_v thou_o no_o member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o particular_a nor_o universal_a neither_o do_v it_o make_v thou_o a_o visible_a saint_n it_o therefore_o give_v thou_o neither_o right_n to_o nor_o be_v of_o membership_n at_o all_o answ_n here_o be_v a_o brave_a flourish_n but_o a_o impudent_a assertion_n contrary_a to_o truth_n but_o no_o marvel_n that_o you_o find_v he_o contrary_a to_o truth_n who_o be_v contrary_a to_o almost_o all_o christian_n yea_o to_o himself_o and_o that_o often_o in_o one_o little_a book_n wherefore_o although_o he_o exclude_v baptism_n so_o utter_o as_o to_o say_v it_o do_v not_o make_v we_o member_n at_o all_o yet_o i_o shall_v affirm_v that_o baptism_n in_o a_o sense_n yea_o in_o a_o great_a measure_n do_v make_v we_o church-member_n which_o also_o j._n bunyan_n do_v confess_v and_o that_o from_o the_o example_n of_o the_o primitive_a saint_n for_o he_o acknowledge_v pag._n 70._o that_o in_o the_o primitive_a time_n baptism_n be_v administer_v upon_o conversion_n yea_o he_o further_o grant_v pag._n 91._o that_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n water-baptism_n go_v before_o church-membership_n now_o that_o which_o be_v administer_v upon_o the_o conversion_n of_o person_n yea_o before_o they_o be_v church-member_n and_o thereupon_o to_o be_v account_v church-member_n which_o john_n bunyan_n in_o his_o right_a mind_n be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v of_o baptism_n sure_o must_v be_v say_v in_o a_o great_a measure_n to_o make_v we_o church-member_n and_o baptism_n be_v so_o administer_v in_o the_o primitive_a time_n be_v it_o not_o necessary_a it_o shall_v be_v so_o now_o can_v we_o alter_v the_o primitive_a manner_n of_o receive_v into_o the_o church_n without_o be_v guilty_a of_o great_a iniquity_n aught_o we_o not_o to_o follow_v the_o example_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n since_o i_o have_v proceed_v thus_o far_o have_v now_o the_o appearance_n of_o so_o good_a ground_n i_o shall_v through_o god_n assistance_n adventure_v to_o prove_v the_o necessity_n thereof_o not_o be_v at_o all_o affright_a with_o j._n bunyan_n opprobrious_a censure_n wherein_o if_o i_o shall_v affirm_v baptism_n to_o be_v a_o initiate_a ordinance_n it_o will_v appear_v to_o be_v true_a by_o john_n bunyan_n own_o confession_n arg._n 1._o for_o that_o which_o ought_v to_o be_v administer_v upon_o conversion_n before_o church-membership_a be_v a_o initiate_a ordinance_n but_o baptism_n ought_v to_o be_v administer_v before_o church-membership_a upon_o conversion_n ergo._n the_o major_n i_o suppose_v none_o will_v deny_v the_o minor_a i_o prove_v thus_o arg._n 2._o if_o baptism_n be_v so_o administer_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n then_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v so_o now_o but_o baptism_n be_v so_o administer_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n ergo._n the_o minor_a be_v j._n bunyan_n own_o grant_n pag._n 70._o pag._n 91._o the_o major_n be_v prove_v 1_o thess_n 4.1_o where_o the_o apostle_n beseech_v and_o exhort_v and_o that_o by_o the_o lord_n jesus_n that_o saint_n shall_v walk_v as_o we_o have_v receive_v from_o they_o yea_o in_o 2_o thess_n 3.6_o he_o command_v the_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n to_o withdraw_v from_o every_o one_o that_o walk_v so_o disorderly_a viz._n not_o according_a to_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n again_o be_v not_o baptism_n call_v heb._n 5.12_o &_o chap._n 6.1_o 2._o one_o of_o the_o first_o principle_n of_o the_o oracle_n of_o god_n a_o principle_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n part_n of_o the_o foundation_n and_o what_o be_v that_o but_o a_o initiate_a or_o enter_v ordinance_n be_v not_o the_o lay_v the_o foundation_n of_o a_o house_n a_o great_a entrance_n to_o the_o building_n so_o be_v baptism_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o christianity_n and_o be_v not_o the_o first_o principle_n in_o any_o matter_n or_o doctrine_n the_o initiate_a or_o enter_v thereinto_o the_o same_o be_v baptism_n as_o aforesaid_a in_o christianity_n i_o may_v evident_o set_v forth_o that_o it_o may_v true_o be_v so_o call_v but_o leave_v that_o denomination_n i_o shall_v touch_v the_o controversy_n in_o hand_n state_n this_o proposition_n viz._n that_o baptism_n be_v a_o duty_n necessary_o to_o be_v observe_v by_o christian_n in_o obedience_n to_o god_n and_o in_o order_n to_o church-communion_n i_o say_v necessary_o to_o be_v observe_v for_o some_o thing_n be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a but_o not_o expedient_a some_o thing_n again_o be_v expedient_a but_o not_o necessary_a but_o other_o thing_n be_v necessary_a and_o must_v be_v do_v of_o which_o sort_n be_v baptism_n this_o christ_n himself_o testify_v matth._n 3.15_o thus_o it_o behoove_v we_o mark_n he_o speak_v not_o particular_o of_o himself_o but_o also_o of_o his_o follower_n we_o and_o also_o he_o say_v thus_o it_o behove_v oportet_fw-la nos_fw-la we_o must_v do_v thus_o to_o fulfil_v god_n righteous_a command_n when_o paul_n be_v miraculous_o convert_v he_o be_v command_v by_o the_o lord_n to_o go_v into_o the_o city_n and_o there_o it_o shall_v be_v tell_v he_o what_o he_o must_v do_v act_v 9.6_o and_o what_o that_o be_v appear_v from_o the_o word_n of_o ananias_n rehearse_v by_o paul_n himself_o act_v 22.16_o arise_v and_o be_v baptize_v this_o peter_n show_v the_o necessity_n of_o 1_o pet._n 3.21_o by_o a_o figurative_a demonstration_n speak_v of_o the_o ark_n of_o noah_n wherein_o few_o that_o be_v eight_o soul_n be_v save_v by_o water_n the_o like_a figure_n whereunto_o say_v he_o baptism_n do_v also_o now_o save_v we_o sure_o the_o ark_n be_v so_o necessary_a for_o their_o salvation_n viz._n their_o preservation_n from_o death_n that_o only_o they_o that_o be_v therein_o be_v save_v and_o the_o apostle_n tell_v you_o baptism_n be_v the_o like_a but_o as_o he_o afterward_o explain_v not_o the_o put_v away_o the_o filth_n of_o the_o flesh_n but_o the_o answer_n of_o a_o good_a conscience_n towards_o god_n now_o how_o necessary_a a_o good_a conscience_n be_v and_o how_o much_o to_o be_v press_v after_o i_o think_v i_o need_v not_o tell_v you_o and_o baptism_n be_v the_o answer_n of_o a_o good_a conscience_n towards_o god_n it_o be_v so_o venerable_a a_o ordinance_n notwithstanding_o john_n bunyan_n be_v please_v to_o slight_v it_o say_v pag._n 104._o we_o be_v not_o the_o better_a if_o we_o do_v it_o or_o the_o worse_a if_o we_o do_v it_o not_o not_o the_o better_o say_v he_o before_o god_n nor_o the_o worse_o before_o man_n that_o those_o who_o be_v subject_a thereto_o be_v say_v luk._n 7.29_o to_o justify_v god_n what_o great_a applause_n can_v man_n have_v and_o on_o the_o contrary_a those_o that_o do_v not_o submit_v thereto_o reject_v the_o counsel_n of_o god_n against_o themselves_o and_o must_v not_o this_o be_v conclude_v to_o be_v a_o necessary_a duty_n yea_o sure_o it_o be_v command_v by_o christ_n himself_o matth._n 28.19_o to_o be_v administer_v to_o all_o disciple_n disciple_n all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o etc._n etc._n teach_v they_o that_o be_v so_o baptize_v to_o observe_v the_o same_o vers_n 20._o in_o the_o performance_n whereof_o christ_n have_v promise_v his_o continual_a presence_n wherefore_o peter_n give_v this_o counsel_n to_o the_o distress_a jew_n act._n 2.38_o that_o cry_v out_o in_o great_a terror_n what_o shall_v we_o do_v repent_v and_o be_v baptize_v every_o one_o of_o you_o as_o this_o be_v his_o advice_n to_o the_o distress_a so_o also_o it_o be_v to_o those_o that_o receive_v the_o holy_a spirit_n plentiful_o act_n 10.48_o he_o command_v they_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n it_o seem_v it_o be_v a_o ordinance_n meet_v to_o be_v observe_v by_o all_o sort_n of_o christian_n the_o jailer_n and_o his_o house_n act_v 16.33_o lydia_n and_o her_o house_n vers_n 15._o crispus_n and_o his_o house_n act_v 18.8_o samaria_n act_v 8.12_o the_o eunuch_n vers_n 38._o yea_o all_o without_o exception_n that_o glad_o receive_v the_o word_n be_v baptize_v and_o thereupon_o add_v to_o the_o church_n act_v 2.41_o i_o may_v be_v large_a herein_o but_o john_n bunyan_n have_v spare_v my_o labour_n for_o he_o yield_v the_o case_n and_o confess_v pag._n 122_o 123._o that_o baptism_n be_v a_o holy_a
i_o say_v he_o be_v conscious_a of_o the_o weakness_n and_o fallacy_n thereof_o otherwise_o he_o will_v never_o have_v spend_v so_o much_o time_n in_o vain_a as_o to_o allege_v afterward_o ten_o other_o reason_n to_o confirm_v his_o opinion_n and_o practice_n when_o he_o have_v do_v it_o so_o invincible_o before_o unless_o therewith_o as_o the_o red_a dragon_n with_o his_o ten_o horn_n he_o be_v mind_v so_o to_o push_v against_o the_o truth_n that_o he_o may_v overthrow_v it_o root_n and_o branch_n for_o the_o prevention_n whereof_o although_o it_o need_v not_o much_o be_v fear_v from_o john_n bunyan_n i_o shall_v adventure_v a_o further_a encounter_n to_o try_v the_o strength_n of_o his_o weapon_n and_o the_o force_n of_o his_o reason_n the_o first_o be_v this_o reas_n 1._o because_o the_o true_a visible_a saint_n have_v already_o subject_v to_o that_o which_o be_v better_o even_o to_o the_o righteousness_n of_o god_n which_o be_v by_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n etc._n etc._n he_o be_v therefore_o to_o be_v receive_v not_o by_o thy_o light_n not_o for_o that_o in_o circumstance_n he_o jump_v with_o thy_o opinion_n but_o according_a to_o his_o own_o faith_n which_o he_o ought_v to_o keep_v to_o himself_o before_o god_n as_o paul_n say_v 1_o cor._n 10.29_o conscience_n i_o say_v not_o of_o thy_o own_o but_o of_o the_o other_o etc._n etc._n pag._n 94_o 95._o answ_n here_o you_o have_v john_n bunyan_n first_o reason_n wherein_o he_o tell_v you_o the_o true_a visible_a saint_n have_v subject_v to_o that_o which_o be_v better_o but_o can_v a_o man_n be_v a_o true_a visible_a saint_n that_o visible_o oppose_v christ_n ordinance_n he_o that_o have_v my_o commandment_n and_o keep_v they_o say_v christ_n joh._n 14.21_o he_o it_o be_v that_o love_v i_o he_o be_v my_o friend_n joh._n 15.14_o and_o our_o saviour_n render_v the_o reason_n thereof_o chap._n 14.23_o if_o any_o man_n love_v i_o he_o will_v keep_v my_o word_n and_o again_o vers_fw-la 24._o he_o that_o keep_v not_o my_o say_n love_v i_o not_o sure_o without_o offence_n i_o may_v add_v be_v no_o true_a visible_a saint_n but_o john_n bunyan_n not_o forget_v to_o oppose_v the_o lord_n christ_n will_v vindicate_v such_o disobedience_n and_o tell_v you_o the_o saint_n he_o describe_v have_v subject_v to_o that_o which_o be_v better_o well_o be_v it_o so_o do_v it_o therefore_o follow_v the_o less_o must_v be_v despise_v i_o hope_v john_n bunyan_n will_v allow_v the_o life_n be_v more_o than_o meat_n and_o the_o body_n than_o raiment_n yet_o the_o lesser_a must_v be_v receive_v for_o the_o preservation_n of_o the_o great_a beside_o have_v not_o paul_n the_o great_a when_o he_o be_v convert_v to_o the_o faith_n yet_o ananias_n although_o he_o be_v inform_v that_o he_o be_v a_o choose_a vessel_n which_o be_v the_o better_a command_v he_o to_o be_v baptize_v act_v 22.16_o have_v not_o cornelius_n and_o his_o companion_n the_o great_a when_o their_o heart_n be_v purify_v by_o faith_n and_o also_o replenish_v with_o the_o holy_a spirit_n act_v 10.44_o chap._n 11.15_o 17._o yet_o peter_n command_v they_o to_o be_v baptize_v yea_o have_v not_o christ_n himself_o the_o great_a to_o who_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o give_v by_o measure_n joh._n 3.34_o yet_o when_o john_n peradventure_o upon_o the_o same_o account_n as_o john_n bunyan_n pretend_v forbid_v his_o baptism_n matth._n 3.14_o christ_n answer_v vers_fw-la 15._o suffer_v it_o to_o be_v so_o for_o thus_o it_o behoove_v we_o to_o fulfil_v all_o righteousness_n baptism_n it_o seem_v be_v no_o indifferent_a thing_n although_o john_n bunyan_n will_v have_v you_o believe_v it_o so_o allege_v as_o aforesaid_a the_o word_n of_o paul_n 1_o cor._n 10.29_o which_o word_n only_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o eat_n of_o meat_n which_o be_v permit_v although_o not_o enjoin_v wherein_o therefore_o if_o a_o weak_a brother_n shall_v be_v offend_v they_o be_v advise_v not_o to_o eat_v for_o conscience_n sake_n conscience_n say_v paul_n not_o of_o thy_o own_o for_o it_o be_v lawful_a in_o itself_o but_o of_o the_o other_o who_o think_v it_o unlawful_a touch_v which_o j._n bunyan_n pretend_v that_o you_o may_v think_v he_o to_o make_v his_o way_n plain_a it_o may_v be_v object_v that_o what_o the_o apostle_n write_v they_o write_v to_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v and_o therefore_o the_o argument_n in_o the_o epistle_n about_o thing_n circumstantial_a respect_v not_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n to_o which_o he_o answer_v first_o that_o this_o be_v a_o mistake_n the_o first_o to_o the_o corinthian_n the_o epistle_n of_o james_n the_o first_o and_o second_o of_o peter_n the_o first_o epistle_n of_o john_n be_v express_o write_v to_o all_o the_o godly_a as_o well_o as_o to_o particular_a church_n pag._n 86._o second_o that_o if_o water-baptism_n as_o the_o circumstance_n with_o which_o the_o church_n be_v pester_v of_o old_a trouble_v their_o peace_n wound_v the_o conscience_n of_o the_o godly_a dismember_v and_o break_v their_o fellowship_n it_o be_v although_o a_o ordinance_n for_o the_o present_a to_o be_v prudent_o shun_v for_o the_o edification_n of_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o it_o answ_n touch_v this_o as_o be_v here_o say_v i_o must_v tell_v you_o first_o j._n bunyan_n be_v mistake_v and_o sure_o he_o either_o mistake_n or_o forget_v himself_o for_o be_v not_o this_o the_o same_o j._n bunyan_n who_o in_o the_o same_o treatise_n confess_v pag._n 91._o that_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n baptism_n go_v before_o church-communion_n yea_o he_o further_o say_v pag._n 92._o it_o be_v then_o general_o practise_v by_o all_o disciple_n and_o if_o so_o then_o sure_a the_o forementioned_a epistle_n although_o general_a be_v direct_v to_o baptize_v person_n second_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o apostle_n treat_v of_o as_o indifferent_a be_v such_o only_a as_o be_v permit_v either_o to_o be_v do_v or_o not_o do_v wherein_o many_o time_n there_o be_v no_o expedience_n in_o the_o performance_n 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