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A42468 The churche[s] publick order argued and opened by a second confere[nce] betweene Silvanus and Himeneu[s] ... wherein the ordinances of the Church of Engla[nd for] Gods publick worship are proved to beagreeable to Gods sacred word / by L.G. [i.e. I.G.], a continuall friend and lover ofthe tr[uth]. J. G. 1643 (1643) Wing G33; ESTC R42041 23,389 47

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Gods publick worship under the Gospell● Christians than Moses was under the Law to the Iewes 〈◊〉 making and ordering every particular according to 〈◊〉 perfect platforme and patterne which was shewed him 〈◊〉 the Mount Exodus 25.9 The Holy Ghost proves ind● that Moses was a faithfull servant of God to heare 〈◊〉 doe the Commandement the worke of the Sanctua● the Tabernacle and all the instruments and every ve●● from the least to the greatest even to every pinne th● of Exodus 27.19 And in this comparison Moses was fa● full in all his house that is to make the materiall or ea●ly Tabernacle that was but a shadow a representation 〈◊〉 figure of that spirituall heavenly true and everlas● Tabernacle which Christ made or built purchased and sanctified with his owne bloud wherein Christ our Lord was much more faithfull as a Sonne to make to redeem ●o blesse and save his owne house And the Apostle to the Hebrewes shewes what this house of the Sonne is saying whose house we are If wee hold fast the confidence and ●ejoycing of the hope firme unto the end Hebrewes 3.6 Marke how the Apostle excells in expressing this spirituall House as wee made a descrption in our first conference ●pon Saint Peters words Page 10. where the Apostle ●alls the building living stones and the house it selfe a spi●tuall house 1 Pet. 2.5 Hym. It appeares there is not any such thing in the Text as ●e Separatists 〈…〉 ●abaptists doe affirme from it for the out●ard Order and 〈◊〉 of the Church Silv. This mak● 〈◊〉 ●he Separatists bold and auda●ous because that like the ●otten-hearted Pharisees they ●stifie themselve● for a 〈◊〉 side of their owne fancy ●d so in word onely never 〈…〉 nor heard of in the Scrip●es and neglect the inwa●●grace the truth and pow● that whosoever hath not shall perish Luke 13. and ●ark 16 and 16. And notwithstanding our Saviours ●unsell is Make cleane the in-side and the out-side ●ll bee cleane also Matthew 23.26 And therefore I call 〈◊〉 Anabaptists ignorant and seduced because all this ●ile they have not learned the difference between that ●tizme the putting away the filth of the flesh which ●an may have and perish And that Baptisme the an●r of a good Conscience unto God that whosoever is ●tized with shall be saved the one being called the fi●e or outward figne the other the substance that saveth ●●ward grace 1 Pet. 3.21 which substance indeed is the pu●ifying the heart by Faith as before I shewed at our first Conference Page 8 9. And so speaketh the Apostle Paul clearly to the Galatians for you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Iesus for as many as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ Chapter 3.26 27. Hymen Doubtlesse these Scriptures must be thus understood I pray Sir informe me what ground the Church of England hath to prescribe a rule for the time and the rest that concernes the manner of Celebrating the Lords Supper Silv. But before I shew you that wee will take a brief● view how particular Moses was to give direction for every circumstance as well as for the substance in Circumcision and the Paschall Lambe And then consider what rules ou● Lord and his Apostles have given for Baptisme and th● Lords Supper which are significations and outward signe● of the same substance and grace under the Gospell as th● other were Ceremonies Types and Figures of the sam● heavenly truth under the Law Therefore the Apostl● Paul to the Collossians uses both the termes of Circumcisi● on and Baptisme expressing one and the same life an● grace in Christ in whom saith hee yee are Circumcise 〈◊〉 with the Circumcision made without hands in putting 〈◊〉 the body of the sinnes of the flesh by the Circumcisio● of Christ buried with him in Baptisme wherein also yo● are risen with him through the faith of the operation 〈◊〉 God c. Colos 2.11 12. Now Moses speaking of ● braham gives rules for Circumcision for the parties wh● shall be circumcised that is all the Males And the tim● when at eight dayes old Genesis 17.12 And the pla● or part of the body the fore-skin Verse 11. And th● parties who shall doe it Abraham the Father Verse 2● and Joshuah the Magistrate Jos 5.3 Also for the Passeover which was the same to the Jewes as the Lords Supper is to the Christians He appoynts the time the tenth day of the moneth and it shall be kept till the 14. day of the same moneth and then appoynts who shall kill it the whole Congregation and what time of the day the evening and who shall provide it that is every house and if the houshold bee too little then two Families shall joyne together he appoynts what it shall be for the kind of it that is a Lambe and not every Lambe but a Lambe without blemish and not Male or Female but Male onely and not of any age but a Lambe of a yeare old Also he prescribes the manner of dressing it not cut to pieces but whole his body with his Legges and with the purtenances thereof 〈◊〉 must not be boyled or baked but roasted with 〈◊〉 and yee shall eate the flesh in that night And hee prescribe the manner and gesture how they shall eate it saying thus shall you eate it with your Loynes girded your shooes on your feet and your staffe in your hand and you shall eate it in haste c. Exod. 12. ult For it is the Lords Passeover Hymen Moses hath beene very particular in Gods direction to Abraham concerning Circumcision and abundant in the Paschall Lambe for every Circumstance I pray shew me how the Scriptures in the new Testament give rules for the Celebration of Baptisme and the Lords Supper Silvan All the rule wee finde for Baptisme is in these words Goe yee therefore and teach all Nations Baptizing them in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Matth. 28.19 Here is a plaine direction for the forme of words that are to be used but none for the Action of the Baptizer nor for the gesture of the baptized so wee read the Eunuch went downe into the water but which part of the bodie Philip washed is not mentioned neither is there direction for the Sex nor the age neither for eight dayes nor eight yeares nor of time place nor of what sort of Water salt or fresh So for the Lords Supper the words in the Institution are these Iesus tooke bread and blessed it and brake it and gave to his Disciples and said Take eate this is my body And hee took the Cup and gave thanks and gave it to them saying Drinke yee all of it for this is my blond of the new Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sinnes Yet in all these words here is no commission for his Disciples as there is for Baptisme Yet Saint Paul saith hee hath received Commission from the Lord concerning the Lords Supper 1
Corinth 11.23 But wee find it not in the Scripture what it should bee Yea as I sayd before we finde no direction for the Sacrament it selfe nor for any circumstance that concernes the Celebration of it neither for time place nor manner And shall wee say therefore that Moses is more faithfull than Christ No sure for that I have proved to bee another thing before But it proves this rather that under the cleare light of the Gospell the truth and substance of things fore-spoken by the Patriarchs and Prophets are so evident and apparent that there needes no such particular directions and shadowes as the dimme and darke Ceremoniall Law required And that it is left unto the discretion of such as are in Authority rule and government to appoynt and regulate as may be most for the glory of God and best for the convenience of the place and people Hym What Rule then hath the Church of England for these Ordinances and all the rest wee have spoken of Silv. The Statute Law doth order particularly every thing as I have shewed you before of the Ministers Officers the time and the worship it selfe and of the name of the place so now I shall shew you that the Statutes appoynt the publike place it selfe and for the order and manner of the rest of the particulars and how all is agreeable with the word of God in the Statutes made in the second and third yeare of King Edward the sixth and the first Chapter the affection of this religious King is there recorded to be such that hee had an eye and respect to the most sincere and pure Christian Religion taught by the Scriptures as also to the usages of the Primitive Chur●●● advising with his most learned and godly Minist●● ob●●ving the prudent judgement of his beloved Vncl●● the ●●rd Protector the best assistance of his Privie and great Councell of Parliament with the ayd of the Holy Ghost and with one uniforme agreement is of them concluded set forth and delivered to his great comfort and satisfaction of minde a composer containing rules and orders for the regulating of the manner of Gods publick worship in a Booke intituled the Booke of the Common Prayer and administration of the Sacraments and other Rites and Ceremonies of the Church as in this so in other Acts the times and places are appoynted the Persons to officiate and administer in Praying praysing and reading and preaching Gods word the people to assemble on Sundayes and Holy-dayes upon penalty to bee inflicted by Officers Temporall or Ecclesiasticall and that none shall deprave that is speak ill of or condemne this Order 1 Elizabeth 2. Elizabeth 2.23 Iacob 4. And that the Congregation shall behave themselves quietly and with civill demeanor and orderly all the time of Gods publike worship Anno primo Marioe the third Chapter and also the rules and order for the particulars for Baptisme and the Lords Supper are contained in the Statutes that Children of beleeving Parents shall be baptized and that there shall be witnesses to testifie so much and also to promise a Christian endeavour for religious instruction and education the form of words that contained in the Commission given to the Apostles before mentioned the manner appoynted Dipping in or sprinkling with water And so also for the Supper of the Lord the Elements Bread and Wine to be provided by the Church-wardens at the charges of the Parishoners the time to be appoynted by the Minister and the people to have notice of it by his directions An● as the former so this to bee blessed and administred by the Pastor or Minister in the words of our Lords first Institution and the people to receive in a praying gesture both Ordinances being communicated with prayer and thanksgiuing for the Vestments of the Ministers and gesture o● both Minister and People are ordered also Hymen But how can you prove to mee that those Ac● and Ordinances are agreeable and warrantable by the Word 〈◊〉 God Silv. Such Ordinances of men that are not against th● Word of God I am warranted by the Word of God 〈◊〉 obey but the Traditions and Ordinances of the Chur● are no wayes opposite or contrary to GODS Wor● therefore GODS Word injoynes Christians obedie● thereunto The generall Rules in Scripture of Traditions for 〈◊〉 der and Decency in the Churches were onely for 〈◊〉 things as concerne the publick worship of God which rules are not found exprest and determined in the Scripture therefore the Apostle 2 Thes ● ● speakes to the Church of Thessalonica in words of Dignity and Authority saying Now wee command you brethren in the Name of our Lord Iesus Christ that you withdraw your selves from every brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Traditions which hee received of us Observe the holy Apostles extraordinary expressions and likewise how hee ingages the Lord Iesus Christ in the cause that Order should be observed according to Traditions given which Traditions were not written Scriptures but things of like nature as the Apostle to the Corinthians speakes of 1 Cor. 14. And although of much variety in the Church yet hee thus would have all ●hings regulated Let all things be done decently and in Order And the ●der and decency is exprest throughout the Chapter A●●eaching verse 3.4 which is declared by speaking by Revelation by Knowledge or by Doctrine And that preaching and praying singing and giving thanks are to be in a knowne tongue to the edifying of the Church verse 12.15 17. That also the Prophets doe beake one by one that all may learne and all may be com●orted verse 31. And just so it was with the Church at Ie●usalem Acts 15.7 The Church being met together it is ●yd Peter rose up and spake unto them as in the 8 9 10 ●1 Verses And in the twelfth Verse it is sayd the multi●de kept silence and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul ●nd after they had held their peace Iames answered saying Men and Brethren hearken unto me v. 13. so that 4. Apostles ●one meeting prophecyes but in order one after another ●d to this the Apostle speakes fully to the Church of Co●h for God is not the Author of confusion or tumults or unquietnesse but of peace as in all Churches of the Saints 1 Cor. 13.33 So also in the next Chapter he gives generall rules to all Churches Let your women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted to them to speake And in another place directions are given for womens habits that their heads be covered 1 Cor. 11.6 So in the Chapter following he gives many rules about preparation before the sacrament as concerning our carriage in communicating where you come together saith he to eate tarry one for another So hee requires knowledge to discerne the Lords body So Temperance and modesty of behaviour that the Communion may be answerable to the thing Communicated in and thus concludes And the rest will I set in order when I