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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A74963	The Quaker quasht and his quarrel quelled: in an answer to a railing pamphlet written by Martin Mason of Lincoln. Intituled The boasting Baptist dismounted and the beast disarmed and sorely wounded without any carnal weapon. Whereutno is added eighteen several meditations usually received by the Quakers at their first enterance into that delusion. By Jonathan Johnson, a servant of Jesus Christ.	Johnson, Jonathan, of Suffolk?	1659 (1659)	Wing J784; Thomason E995_5; ESTC R207803	49,518	56

of mans belief not belief the cause of mans redemption for so should men deny Christ and be his own redeemer but Christ is a redeemer before man be a believer for what should man believe if not redemption and who should he believe if not the redeemer As a man cannot own Christ the Saviour and deny his redemption so a man cannot own redemption and deny the Saviour But thy Queries plainly testify thee to be a denyer of both In the next place thou hast broken in thy blindness thy fore-head against a rock that lay full in thy way for thou art forced to confess that I say something to the proof of Baptisme of Repentance in alledging Acts 7.59 If I and my freinds can witness such a condition as those convicts did in the four last verses Answ My freinds and I witnessing the condition required verse the 38. do manifest conversion which is more then conviction which conversion doth not only witness by the gift promised thereunto that condition in the four last verses upon the like or any Gospel occasion requiring but the condition Acts 7.59 60. Rom. 12.11 Heb. 10.34 For my freinds and I do witness against thee and all who deny to follow Christ in the Regeneration or Baptisme of Repentance that if we follow not that conversion to do as Gospel need requireth to the loss of what we here enjoy and life and all if we be thereunto called for Christ and his Gospel sake we violate our Baptisme and destroy our faith but to leave any of these and not for the Gospel sake or it requiring and calling thereunto but presently from an idle notion to seem to have what is not within 't is a denyal of faith and is hypocrisie turn thy eyes to those of thy own generation and see if thou can spie none who are so far from parting from their own estates that although convinced yet are not converted to restore that which others complain against them for as taken from them by Exaction and Violence while garments will not cover Extortion the righteousness of the Saints is the cloathing of the regeneration If my freinds and I could not witness the condition of the four last verses or the 38. verse of which thou canst not accuse us in a Gospel language is it right therefore for thee to deny Baptisme call the wise in heart to Judge if this be from a conscience rightly enlightened and they will tell thee that rather thou ought to stand up in the right use and practice thereof according to its faithful institution and not deny Baptisme because others who profess it are not rightly qualified for it and when the Hypocrite hath cast out the beam in his own eye he will see more clearly any mote that is in ours till when if thou make use of thy own words let the babler be silent it will be more wisedome and that lying pride and passion which here and so often thou would perswade the world of against me would not so plainly appear in thy self and then blindly boldly callit perfection Thou tellest me water sprinkling is not once named there Acts 2.32 To which I answer that neither would it be named here but that thy low light looks thee out that bubble to prevent thy obedience to that baptisme which is named there after thy forced confession of the truth thereof as afore is manifested and for a further occasion against that truth thou askest me if Christs Baptisme consist of outward water I answer if it did Martin Mason were a Baptized man for he hath had outward water but wanting in ward repentance and faith in that Christ whose ordinance Baptisme is therefore he is not Baptised but denyeth that council of God against himself as his predecessors in denyal thereof did Luke 7. I also will ask thee a question whose Baptisme was it that Philip Baptized the Eunuch with Acts 8.38 And that Peter commanded Cornelius to be Baptized with Acts 10.47 48. If thou acknowledg it Christs Baptisme thy fable is answered If thou say it was not Christs Baptisme whose seavants were they in the doing and commanding it to be done lay by thy lewd language and let me have an answer to this who never receivest answer from thee yet to any thing that I desired an answer to in meekness and moderation but in unreasonable railings and when thou knowest what the Baptisme of repentance is by a right conversion wrought in thy self thou wilt know what it is to suffer with Christ and what the Baptisme of the holy Ghost is till when the Serpent that is so quick in thy mouth stops it from confession to Salvation Thou should answer Ephes 1.13 Which thou callest my last proof and was brought to prove that the Spirit of promise is received by believing as also Gal. 3.2 was alledged to prove the same but thou having no mind to acknowledg the truth though so plainly appearing before thee and wanting answer against it asks me what was this word of truth if not Jesus the word of God the sure word of Prophesie which shined in the Ephesians dark hearts which they knew not Answ Is there any thing in this worthy to be called an answer to defend thee in thy denyall of the Spirit to be received by the hearing of the faith preached and believing the word of truth and Jesus the word of God being alone the Apostles preached that word of truth and Jesus the word of God to work faith in men by which faith the Spirit of promise was received what help for thee in this but to throw thee backward that word of truth and Jesus the word of God did not shine in the Ephesians dark hearts before the Apostles preached to them as thou falsly and ignorantly would perswade but after the Apostles preaching they believed and after they believed they were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise as that text saith Ephes 1.13 but thou thrusts away the word after which the text delivers that thy darkness might be placed before the Apostles preaching of Christ Jesus but Christ telleth thee John the 10.8 that all such forecomers are thieves and robbers compare this thy saying with the sure word of Prophesie which shined in their dark hearts which they knew not with what thou sayest before that the unction the womans seed the Christ within is that light which is in all consciences before faith and without before the Apostles preaching so that by thy Doctrine the Apostle preaching the word of truth or Jesus the word of God brought nothing to the Ephesians but what they had before for if they had the unction the Christ within which is the Spirit of promise before then were they Sealed before but the Apostle telleth them Ephes 2.12 that before they believed they were without Christ so that I must either deny the Ephesians conversion by the Apostles preaching of faith and the Apostles saying that after they believed they were Sealed

shew the pride of thy fathers child who would have a servant under him In which pride thou saist for the simples sake thou wilt peruse those Scriptures my father sends me with to fight for his kindgome which Scripture is Mat. 28.19 20. Act. 2.32 41 42. Answ Let the Reader take notice that these being the Scriptures of God and weapons given by him to those he sends for their defence and safety against the enemy thou must either acknowledge God to be my Father agianst thy will in bringing these Scriptures or say they are not his but the Scriptures and weapons of his enemy which Blasphemy being lodged in thy calling it dead Letter will be laid open that all may see whose Child thou art But howsoever this is certain that it is not God whose the Scriptures is that sends thee with these low weapons of self devices to fight against the sender of those Scriptures and those sent of him but all thy labour will be in vain and destruction will be the wages of such Imployment thy promise to the simple is spoken in thy mother tongue Prov. 9.16 They must be simple ones indeed that gives ear to thy Doctrine and perusal of Scripture Thy first perusal is thou tellest the simple thou cannot find Sprinkling there Answ This is a simple instruction he must needs be a blind guide that can but tell those he undertakes to teach that he cannot see or cannot find and so produce nothing thou canst not find Sprinkling and thou wilt not find Baptisme there though the Scriptures plainly declare it the simple will soon have enough of thy perusal of Scripture from whence thou runnest stumbling to me in thy blindness and asks if Act. the 22.16 make for my purpose and if Sprinkling with water is once mentioned there or did Annanias bid him be Baptised with outward water Answ That Scripture is for me in the matter in question which is Baptisme Annanias bid him arise and be Baptised and he arose and was Baptised Act. 9.18 as for thy words Sprinkling with water and outward water being no Scripture Language but thy own having thy tongue dipt in the Egyptian Sea and but trifles and babbles of thine to shift off the answer I shall leave them see if thou can produce any thing from thence that will answer thy rejecting that counsel of God against thy self in not being Baptised as thy brother Expounders and perusers of Scriptures did Luke the 7.30 Thou saist as for Act. the 10.47 48. is it not clear the Holy Ghost was received without outward water then where is the necessity of Sprinkling Answ No necessity of Sprinkling but where Martin Mason wants an answer In his denyal of Saptisme with water upon confession of faith and for the necessity of that Baptisme the Apostle Peter in that Text gives full satisfaction both in asking who could forbid water and also in commanding them to be Baptized it appears none of thy Spirit was there for then there would have been a denyal of it but there was no denyal or forbidding but submistion and command for it both in Peter and the rest and for the Holy Ghost being received before that Baptisme that is nothing to thy denyal thereof for none in denyal of Baptisme either then or since did receive or have the promise of the spirit Gods love to these in the State of submission obedience to that Ordinance as Cornclius and the rest were is no president for thee or any in opposing and denying it but to condemne your disobedience Cornclius did manifest as much and more light then thee and thy generation do now before Peter was sent unto him yet had he not the spirit of promise till he had heard the Apostles preaching the Lord Jesus in whom he believed and after that there was no slighting water but it was administred in the name of the Lord Jesus In which Name any thing commanded and practised by the Apostles and beleevers was accounted necessary and still is but where the Spirit of errour doth Blaspheme and deny the Lord in his Ordinances Did Christ himself give an example of righteousuess in being Baptized with water upon which the Holy Ghost did witness the good pleasure and love of God and shall men now be heard or accounted as righteous in opposition and denyal thereof surely none will give eare to such strangers and enemies to truth but such as know not the Lord and have no acquaintance with his voyce Thou saist Act. 8.36 37. intimates that it is but a thing indifferent if thou beleevest saith Philip thou maist as much as if he had said if thou beleevest outward water to be necessary to Salvation thou maist be Baptized Answ Take away as much as thy prologue to proceed falsely the remainder is if Philip had said if thou believest outward water to be necessary to Salvation thou maist be Baptized but Philip said not so 't is Martin Mason that saith so in which he hath manifested himself in a Lye as much as if he had sa●d Philip taught the Eunuch not to believe in Christ for if Philip had taught the Eunuch that to believe outward water was necessary to Salvation to fit him for Baptisme he must deny belief in Christ which only is necessary to Salvation and to fit for Baptisme for there is nothing can fit for Baptisme but only faith in Christ water administred upon that faith is necessary to obedience which the Eunuch observed from Philips preaching desiring water but Philips preaching and the Eunuch beleeving was in that Christ only as vers 35. doth manifest according to Christs command Mark 16.15 16. Mat. 28.19 20. Of whom should the Eunuch know and why should he desire Baptisme if Philip had not preached it to him and for thee to say that Philip who preached and was sent by the power of the Holy Ghost preached things in relation to the Gospel so indifferently as thou saist as to be done or not done thou dost in this disable what thou can the Spirit of the most high God to say he commands and sends his servants to practise things of no value or that are unnecessary and things indifferent to be done or undone which is blasphemy or say that Philip and the Apostles did contrary to commandment or the Spirit teaching and so make them Antichristians like to thy self This indifferent Spirit of thine which would take men off from the commands of Christ practice of his Disciples is a Spirit of errour and Doctrine of Darkness and none but those who are led by such en evil Spirit would or durst so grosly oppose the plain teaching of the Scripture and bring their own lye against it The next proof thou faist I clap in is no better then the rest which is Acts the 8.12 They were all baptized both men and women but water was wanting Answ There is no want of water where the baptisme of repentance is truly ministred as there it

to Cew the Cude upon if thou wert a Clean Beast in thy feeding which is that the Baptisme of repentance cannot be Idolized by any water may be Idolized or something else in the Inventions of men instead of that Baptisme any ordinance of Christ whose ordinances are all ordinances of faith cannot be Idolized for where Idolizing is there is something also in the room of faith but where faith is there is no Idol or self inventions and therefore your pretended light within is an Idol because it denys and draws men from the faith and obedience in that Christ Jesus who dyed at Jorusalem and from that reverence and esteem which ought to be to his teaching in Scripture to follow and fall down to your faithless Idol Thou saist Paul knowing Baptisme to be a permissive practise not a precept laid it aside Answ Let those who have read Paul and read thee judge whether thou hast not told a manifest lie of Paul in this for Paul hath not any where so declared his knowledge of Baptisme or that he laid it aside If Baptisme were not a precept the Apostles were transgressors to preach and command and practise in their Masters name that which he had not commanded and Baptisme being a command thou wouldest report them transgressors like to thy self saying they laid aside the practise and teaching of their Masters precept what plainer precept to those who desires to obey the Lords command can be given then that Mat. 28. Goe teach all Nations and Baptize them in the Name of the Father c. And Acts. 2.38 Repent and be Baptized and Acts. 10.48 He commanded them to be Baptized Surely these things are plain enough to all but such as bend their tongues for deceit and to oppose the truth whatsoever is manifested to such to be the plain Testimonies of truth yet a denyal must be in those Children of falshood For as these who are begotten by the Imortal seed to a lively hope through faith do own and submit to every command of Christ though never so seeming weak and contrary to corrupt nature So those who are begotten by the power of darkness they hate the light and natural in them it is to oppse it for there is no concord betwixt light and darkness in which darkness if thou wert not these Scriptures are plain enough and so plain that thou dost not deny them as not thinking them to be precepts But to maintain thy darkness and disobedience aggainst them Thou and thy generations have had sufficient Testimony in the mantenance of this truth against your falshood in perverting and denying of these Scriptures to which you give no answer but instead thereof have blown forth big and boysterous words of slander and accusation from the bellows of that forge where all your falshood is framed and this will appear to all who have understanding and did but read that which thou and others with thee have received both concerning the former Scriptures and that which thou followest with Where Paul saith he was not sent to baptize but to preach the Gospel Answ Paul was sent to preach the same Gospel which Peter was sent to preach in which was concluded the Baptisme of Repentance or water upon Repentance and faith as Acts 2.38 and 10.47 But neither paul or Peter were sent to Baptize without or before preaching for that is the work of opposers not of the messengers of Christ and therefore was it that Paul said he was sent to preach the Gospel for till preaching was received there was none to baptize Paul did neither deny to be baptized himself as thou and thy generation doth as appears Acts 9.18 with 22.16 neither did he deny to baptize others after they had heard his teaching and believing for then he had both denyed the command of Christ Mar. 28.19 and his own practice upon those he baptized as 1 Cor. 1.14 16. for to baptize in the name of Christ and deny it to be a precept or ordinance of Christ doth condemn the doer and so wouldest thou condemn Paul in his righteous proceeding according to the Gospel but it is a condemnation of thy self and manifest thee to be an enemy to truth in aledging Paul to deny his own preaching and practice and the rest of the Apostles Doth not Peter saist thou speak plain enough to the prudent doth he account water baptisme any better then a figure pointing out the fubstance the answer of a good conscience Answ If thou wert not of those prudent ones to whom the things of God are hid Mat. 11.25 Luke 10.21 Peters speaking would be plain to thee to be the baptisme of repentance not water without repentance nor repentance denying water though thou wouldest devide them as all Antichristians have done though Peter calls baptisme the figure yet he calleth the figure that saveth which cannot be without the answer of a good conscience therefore thy calling it a figure or water baptisme without the answer of a good conscience and that saveth not shews how thou strives to violate that Scripture and manifest thy ignorance of what baptisme is Which of you saist thou would you be truly honest to the light of God in you durst possitively affirm ontward water to be the Baptisme of Christ Is not his a baptisme of suffering Answ Martin if outward water as thou hast been told before were the baptisme of Christ then thou and all thy generation who have had outward water by the order of the Sea of Rome were baptized but wanting faith according to the order of the Gospel you have not the baptisme of Christ they whom thou callest the poor hearts are so honest to the light of Gods truth revealed to them by the Gospels preaching that they do affirm water administred upon repentance and faith is the baptisme of Christ that is a cording to Peters teaching in the Scripture afore all edged That outward water is not the figure that saveth but baptisme is and also they further affirm that thy division of water from repentance in baptisme that thou may deny the Gospel Baptisme dost manifest thee a child of those Antichristain predlcessors from whom thou receivest thy outward water doth not thy fingling out the Baptisme of suffering only to deny the baptisme of repentance by reach also to the denyal of the bap isme of Christ but talk not thou of the baptisme of sufferings till thou suffer Christs baptisme of repentance to talk place in thee none ever suffered for Christs name sake who denyed him in his ordinance thou bids the poor hearts not be afraid to take up the daly Cross but like vallent Souldiers enter the field c. Answ The entering into Christ by the Baptisme of repentance Is the taking up of his Cross and deny ill of that Baptisme in all Ages since Christ hath been to avoid and deny the Cross of Christ and therefore whatever cross thou or thy fellows meets withall Is not the Cross of Christ