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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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are known and no such thing is in our Books as thou falsely charges us with and would make people believe is written therein in giving the sence of our words in thy dark mind and for the Simples sake an answer is returned to clear the truth of God in what he hath given out by his spirit both in word and writing and whether thou wilt receive it yea or nay thou shalt know and all others that Christ is the authority of the Scripture and when he spoke them forth he spake as one having authority and not as a Scribe who in his light walk cannot be perswaded to turn from him by any lyes and reproaches thou can cast upon them who sayst we are wholly turned from the truth which against thee witnesse it is not so let God be judge and in his day make manifest what we are in whose will we rest as moved of him to witnesse against the falshoods thou hast further charged upon us in what followeth Thou hast not done justly nor honestly in that thou hast not Printed the questions as given forth by thee and answers as returned by us and in an answer to what is of thee required to prove the charge thou charges us withall in thy reply to the answer to the first Question and the false accusations lyes and slanders is not proved in all thou hast writ The one baptisme we owne Eph. 4. 5. and the watch in the Church we owne in the spirit of life which in order doth keepe in obedience to the pure God who is the God of order and not of confusion but keeps his Children in himself purely to live according to what is pro●est Further thou goes on and queries what proofe would we have is it not our owne prophane language both in papers and conference it is no ne●es to hear most of their way dispute against water Baptism the Lords Supper a settled fixed Ministry over particular Churches and queries further what Quakers administer water baptisme the Lords Supper and constantly watches over a particular flock or else for shame thou sayst we must own the charge and confesse our sin in telling the world these are thy lying slanders Reply Prophane Language we deny and shadowes and figures we witnesse done away the substance being come water baptism was in its time a figure of the substance as John witnesses to whom that dispensation was committed Mat. 3. 11. I indeed baptize with water unto Repentance but he that comes after me is mightier then I whose sh●●es I am not worthy to bear he shall baptize you with the Holy ghost and with fire And Johns baptisme we deny to be in force he did decrease and Christ must increase whose baptisme we own according as is recorded in the Scripture of truth and since he ascended there is no Scripture doth witnesse his sending any to baptize with water Paul who was sent after he ascended what he did in the liberty given him his liberty he knew when he circumscised Timothy and baptized Crispus and Gaius and the household of St●phanus besides I know not th●t I baptized any other saith Paul for Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel not with wisedome of words least the crosse of Christ should be of none effect 1 Cor. 1. 16 17. And John who bare record of the word of the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ Rev. 14. 6. saith I saw an Angel in the midst of Heaven having the everlasting Gospel to preach to them that dwell in the earth and to every Nation and Kindred tongue and People John did not say he did fly through the midst of heaven preaching the everlasting Gospel and baptizing with water we know John faithfull in his testimony of Jesus Christ who is now revealed and the Angell is come and the Gospel preached and the shadowes done away And Bread and Wine were the Supper of the Lord in the dispensation of time a figure of his death which were fulfilled when he had suffered and rose again and now he is known to stand at the door and knock if any man heare my voice and open the door I will come in and Sup with him and he with me saith Christ Rev. 3. 20. And we being many are one bread and one body c. 1 Cor. 10. 17. and knows the wine renewed in our fathers Kingdome Christ the substance we now witnesse shadows and figures done away he that can receive it let him And the Churches set up by the will of man we deny and the fixed ministry set up over them by the will of man that watch for the fleece beare rule by their means and seeks their gain from their quarter these we deny Jer. 5. 31. Isa 56. 11. And those in scorn called Quakers doth watch over the flock of God every one as the Lord them calls and not for filthy lucre as the Priests that bear rule by their means do neither by constraint but of a ready minde 1 Pet. 5. 2. in obedience to the spirit of the Lord as he them moves and thy slanders thou hast not yet proved our conscience doth witnesse it that what thou hast accused us with is a lye and not the truth And thou further sayes that Will. Deusberry in a lying paper as thou calls it which is entituled A true prophecy of the mighty day of the Lord already risen in the North of England c. in which paper he makes it his worke to slander the Ordinances of Gospel worship under the notion of outward observations which Christs Kingdome comes not in Luke 17. 20. and thus he accounts of all the ordinances and institutions prescribed by Christ himselfe in the Apostolical Churches and accounts all the strict observing of outward formes of worship is but immitating the Saints practices in their Babilonish and heathenish wisedome all these outward forms is the outward Court without the temple Pa. 1. 2. Reply The lye will be found in thy owne mouth in calling that a lying paper a true prophecy it is of the mighty day of the Lord and for thy saying William Deusberry makes it his worke c. as before written thy charge is false and the truth is witnessed against vain man who in his dark minde seeks the Kingdome of God in observations where it comes not Luke 17. 20. neither shall men say loe here or loe there he called by name as before written doth witnesse they are not the Ordinances of Christ according as is declared of them they will be found and made manifest to the shame and confusion of their face who in their owne wisedome immitates the Saints practices in forme which they did practice in life and power in the dispensation of time they served their generation in the manifestation of the spirit according to the will of God And whereas thou sayst in the 4 Pa. it is more clear that he prophanely compares the holy ordinances and institutions of the