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water_n	baptism_n	dip_v	sprinkle_v	5,026	5	11.1171	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
B23662	The controversie about infants church-membership and baptism, epitomized in two treatises the first, shewing the certainty of the salvation of all dying infants, against the doctrine of the Pædo-baptists, who deny salvation to all infants that die unbaptized, either directly, or by the natural consequence of their arguments : the second, being a plain confutation of Mr. J.B. his second book of more than 60 queries, about infants church-membership and baptism, by a proportionable number of antiqueries : being an essay towards a more Christian accomodation between the Pædo-baptists, and the baptized believers, published for that happy end / by Thomas Grantham.	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.; Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. Querist examined.	1680 (1680)	Wing G1529	50,899	65

you to invent what Form you will May we not better follow Christ s Form than yours Did not Christ know rightly how to be Baptized Will not your Way admit of as many Forms of Baptism as there are parts in a Mans Body And should any urge the same part to be the fittest part to be Baptized which was formerly Circumcised might not a Man that would strain his Wits and Conscience give as probable Arguments for that as you do for the subject of Baptism whilst you reason from Circumcision Do you not boldly out-face the Holy Ghost by your Sprinkling John 3. where he tells us the Reason why John Baptized in Eanon was because there was much Water And why went Philip and the Eunuch both down into the Water if your Crossing and Sprinkling were a due Form of Baptizing Does not Diodate and many of your Learned Men tell us that Rom. 6. 4. Baptism was a Dipping in Water according to the ancient Ceremony Were the ancient Christians Murtherers When will you blush at your desperate Vanities Nay do not you grant that Dipping was the use of the Church in Scripture-times only you ask us whether it was constantly used But if you lay inconstancy to their Charge should you not prove it Does your Instance of the Jaylor prove it Or do not you shew that you reade that place with blind Eyes Else you will find they went out of his House even at Midnight to celebrate holy Baptism for is it not plainly said That when he and all his were Baptized that he brought them into his House and set Meat before them And yet had they not been in his House before to Preach to him and to all that were in his House And can any place be more full against your childish Sprinkling And whether Mr. Fisher and Mr. Tombs hath not sufficiently answered your frivolous Quibbles about the quantity of Bread and Wine in the holy Table And also your Quirk about warm Water to Baptize in And seeing by the course of Providence Water is warm in the Summer in comparison of what it is in Winter how should it be a Sin to Baptize in warm Water And that God which ordain'd Water for our nourishment as Men allows us to use it warm or cold as may be most healthful and convenient And why should we think it unlawful to use it so in the Sacrament of Baptism if necessity require it as in an extreme Frost perhaps it may And so in respect of the weakness of the Subject is here any change of the Ordinance And will not Mat. 12. 7. I will have Mercy and not Sacrifice better defend such an innocent Practice than your absurd al●●●●●ion of the Ordinance J. B. 2. Is it not a breach of the Seventh Commandment Thou shalt not commit Adultery to Dip Persons naked or next to naked c. T. G. Is not this also a foolish and blasphemous Query Is not the having one Garment on only next to naked And yet may it not be decent enough to be Baptized in one Garment But why do you so basely suggest that it is our practice to Baptize naked Is not our constant Practice known to be otherwise Are not both Men and Women attired in decent Garments among us when Baptized Why do you thus ungraciously Scandalize an Innocent People Will you not cease to pervert the right Ways of the Lord And to make his Ordinance contemptible as your Fellows did Mal. 1. 6. 7 Yea this Reproach hath been by your means O ye Priests And let me intreat you to lay it to Heart And are you not more perverse still in the remainder of your Query As if the Dipping Persons cloathed would destroy our Argument for washing the whole Body What is this You grant Dipping was used in the Scripture-times sure they were Dipped either with Clothes or without them And is it not said of them that their Hearts were sprinkled from an evil Conscience and their Bodies washed with pure Water Heb. 10. 22. Now what shall we say to your ungodly Query It will not permit us to be Baptized by Dipping as you grant it was used in Scripture-times neither with Clothes nor without So then nothing but your Crossing or Sprinkling can please you How true is the Proverb Some Men are much in love with their own Fancies J. B. 3. What fruit of these things How many of you that instead of labouring after the winning of Souls from Sin to God make it your main scope to propagate your Opinion c. T. G. Whether this Query be not Hypocritical As if the business of your Hundreds of Queries did not speak you to be as fond of your Opinion as any other Or as if the winning Souls from the Errors wherein you have entangled them and by which you have hardned them against plain Truth were not a winning Souls to God And have not you compelled us to defend what we hold And do you now blame us for spending time to unmask your Falacies For my own part I could have been glad to have forborn this Labour But what did you publish your Queries for Was it that you might bear it high against the Truth and that no Man should examine them And is not your intolerable Calumnies against what we profess and your immoderate stickling for Pedo-rantism the cause of those Distractions at least in part which you would charge us with As for Prayer in Families if there be no sinful Impositions and Formalities which of us are Enemies to Family Devotions And are not you as strait in this as other Men Would you have more Unity with us This you pretend But then cease your Heats for things really disputable as Mr. Baxter confesses Infant-Baptism to be Yea saith he I know it to be a very difficult Point Mr. B. Def. Prin. Lo. p. 7 and many Prelatists have maintained that it is not determined in Scripture You may be sure therefore you shall not hector us into your Opinion by calling us Murtherers and Adulterers meerly because of our Baptism And who that is wise would take such courses for Union with Dissenting Christians Sure this will keep us from your Communion J. B. 4. Whether it be at all credible that Satan would be so charitable to Believers Infants as to plead for their Priviledges or would be a Propagater of Christ's Kingdom c. T. G. Wretched Charity Is this Charity to damn hundreds of Infants that you may plead for one Was not Augustine as Charitable in pleading for Infants Communion as you are in pleading for their Baptism Were not the false Apostles in their own Opinion as Charitable as the best of you all for Infants when they would have had them Circumcised For say they except ye be Circumcised after the manner of Moses ye cannot be saved And say you less except Infants be Baptized as they were Circumcised under the Law there is no sound ground of Hope concerning any dying Infant in