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A96468 Truth further defended, and William Penn vindicated; being a rejoynder to a book entitutled, A brief and modest reply, to Mr. Penn's tedious, scurrilous, and unchristian defence, against the bishop of Cork. Wherein that author's unfainess is detected, his arguments and objections are answered. / By T.W. and N.H. Wight, Thomas, ca. 1640-1724. 1700 (1700) Wing W2108; ESTC R204122 88,609 189

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they_o say_v to_o baptise_v and_o they_o be_v to_o do_v none_o of_o these_o thing_n till_o they_o be_v endue_v with_o power_n from_o on_o high_a luke_n 24._o 49._o act_n 1._o 4._o ibid._n 17._o the_o bp._n proceed_v as_o one_o put_v to_o his_o shift_n indeed_o to_o give_v his_o own_o term_n to_o w._n p._n when_o the_o bp._n tell_v he_o he_o proceed_v to_o shift_v on_o thus_o baptise_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o with_o fire_n the_o word_n that_o mr._n p._n allege_v p._n 69._o and_o run_v upon_o be_v a_o special_a prerogative_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n predict_v only_o of_o he_o matt._n 4._o 11._o which_o shall_v be_v 3._o 11._o and_o fulfil_v only_o by_o he_o act_v 2._o not_o by_o any_o man_n ever_o live_v the_o bp_n first_o reason_n than_o be_v true_a say_v he_o answ_n if_o say_v be_v prove_v the_o bp._n have_v do_v it_o nor_o will_v this_o argument_n avail_v he_o any_o more_o than_o the_o former_a notwithstanding_o it_o seem_v as_o if_o he_o will_v divide_v fire_n 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but_o in_o what_o follow_v as_o that_o the_o baptism_n predict_v matt._n 3_o 11._o be_v only_o fulfil_v act_n 2._o whereas_o if_o we_o credit_v the_o apostle_n we_o shall_v find_v it_o otherwise_o thus_o acts._n 11._o 15_o 16._o and_o as_o i_o begin_v to_o speak_v the_o holy_a ghost_n fall_v on_o they_o as_o on_o we_o in_o the_o begin_n then_o remember_v i_o the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n how_o he_o say_v john_n indeed_o baptise_a with_o water_n but_o you_o shall_v be_v baptise_a with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n here_o peter_n refer_v to_o the_o pour_v forth_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n at_o the_o time_n of_o pentecost_n and_o the_o marginal_a note_n in_o the_o bible_n refer_v to_o chap._n 2._o 4._o which_o show_v that_o babtize_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o fulfil_v by_o christ_n at_o that_o time_n mention_v acts._n 2._o 4._o but_o that_o it_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n and_o be_v dispense_v through_o the_o apostle_n ministry_n afterward_o so_o not_o fulfil_v only_o by_o 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