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A87004 A discovery of the latitude of the loss of the earthly paradise by original sin. Occasioned by a disputation betwixt Mr. Matthias Rutton, min: of Boughton Munchalse in Kent, and the author hereof; branched out in these particulars, as followeth: I. First, an examination of his apologetical letter, with a full answer thereunto. II. Secondly, six arguments to prove that original sin exposed Adam and his posterity but to the first death. III. Thirdly, a discovery of the false and corrupted ministers by ten characters. IV. Fourthly, a discovery of the true ministers by ten characters. / By George Hammon, pastor to the Church of Christ meeting in Biddenden in Kent. Hammon, George. 1655 (1655) Wing H502; Thomason E1680_1; ESTC R209154 79,445 216

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dishonour ver. 21. The Anabaptist still obstinate the Minister urged another Argument to prove some Children were Damned and not for Actual sin therefore for Original and therefore there was such sin as we call Original the Argument was taken out of Jude vers. 7. where it is said that Sodom and Gomorrah and the Cities about them suffered the vengeance of eternal fire in which Cities no doubt but there were some Children which never had sinned actually and these with the rest suffered the vengeance of eternal fire The Anabaptist answered by shewing the meaning of Eternal The word Eternal saith he is there to be understood for consuming which is as ridiculous and absurd as the rest our ordinary fire is consuming it consumes the Wood or other matter that nourisheth it and so at last it self is extinguished but this eternal fire never goeth out neither doth it consume those it burns the wicked burn eternally that is for ever and are never consumed so the answer implyes a contradiction To make this his Exposition good he cited a place of St. Mat. 10.15 It shall be more tollerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgement than for that City that will not receive the Apostles more tollerable that is saith he being holpen by one of his Disciples Sodom and Gomorrah shall be excused but that Exposition they can never make good more tollerable said the Minister that is they shall not receive so severe a Sentence they shall receive lesser Damnation but not be wholly excused This he proved by reason for more is the Comparative degree and is a relative term and respects the same thing then strenghened this reason by Scripture Mat. 23.14 Yee shall receive greater damnation there is Damnation for them because they devoured widows houses but greater damnation because they made long prayer their pretence more tollerable then doth not imply that they were wholly excused but received lesser punishment The Anabaptist then began to urge an Argument that no Children were Damned the Minister perceiving that this was to run round in a circle not able to indure the cold longer being not yet fully recovered of sickness the Anabaptist began to cry Victory by railing on the Ministers Were not those people given over to a reprobate sense to strong delusions to beleeve lyes they could never force such interpretations upon Scripture The Lord open their eyes that they may see the truth and convert and be healed Mat. Rutton Min. An Answer to a Letter of Master Matth. Rutton Minister of Baughton as he so calleth himself sent to a friend of mine in order to the Vindication of a Dispute between him and myself at Baughton where wee accidentally met to his friend Master Mat. Rutton as followeth SIR WHereas you were pleased to affirm in your Letter I was troubled about a Sermon you delivered in the which you writ you proved such as I am to be the Ministers of Satan for the which cause you say I fell upon you with abusive words Sir I pray you do not forget your self for I began not with you neither did I give you any abusive words neither did I know that you had delivered such a Sermon as you confess in which you rendered me and such as I am to be so odious although I had heard before that you did usually rail much as your Predecessors did against Christ and his Apostles saying they were Deceivers pestilent Fellows and turners of the World upside down though Michael the Arch-Angel when he was Disputing with the Devil about the body of Moses did not bring a rayling accusation but left it to God with these words The Lord rebuke thee But I pray remember that your Neighbour of whom you at that instant received Tithes after he had paid it asked you in much mildness of speech Why you did rail so much against the Baptists and you presently said they were Anabaptists for you said the word in the Greek signified again and you Baptizing Persons again are called Anabaptists at the which words I could no less than make answer saying That for my part I did dis-own Baptizing of any persons again who were once truly Baptized according to Christs appointment and more-over I said That sprinkling a little water in a Childes face in its Infancy was not Baptism but a cousening shift brought in by Pope Innocentius the Third and then you replied and said That Baptizo signified Sprinkling as well as Dipping the which I denied and shewed you there was no correspondency between the word Baptizo and Rantizo in their significations to prove one and the same thing the one signifying to dip to plunge to sink to over-whelm in water the other word to sprinkle to scatter here or there or to disperse abroad on divers parts of the body then all that you had more to say in the behalf of that was That it was set down so in the Book of Common Prayer and when you could say no more to that you cried out against them viz. the Baptists for broaching of gross Errors and instanced that of Original sin to which I said that for my part I did beleeve That all the Sons and Daughters of Adam were not only under the guilt of it but also groan under the punishment of it untill this day although you falsly writ in your Letter that I denyed that there was such a Sin as Original sin and yet you may remember that you made me this answer Though I did beleeve that there was such a sin yet there were many of my adherents that did beleeve there was no such sin and Sir then I went on to deal plainly with you and shewed you what that first Sin of Adam in Paradise which is usually called Original Sin did incur and made all his Children liable to the which * I affirm to be the first Death with sickness weakness and all such infirmities with the loss of all Paradisical injoyments and not Damnation in Hell which is only the desert of sins against God manifested in Christ which brought a second state of life and that you may see clearly in the pronunciation of the Sentence by God to Adam in Gen. 3. from the fourteenth to the twentieth where he tells him That in sorrow he should eat bread with the sweat of his brows until thou return unto the ground for out of it wast thou taken This was the punishment God laid upon Adam and his Posterity for that Sin Dust thou art and to dust thou shalt return Hence it cometh to pass that both righteous and unrighteous suffer alike whereby wee may see Gods Justice must be satified and so much briefly as to the Sin which you call Original or more properly to the punishment thereof And now in order I shall come to the one and fiftieth Psalm vers. 5. these words Behold I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me In which words there appeareth no such thing as