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A62859 An addition to the Apology for the two treatises concerning infant-baptisme, published December 15, 1645 in which the author is vindicated from 21 unjust criminations in the 92 page of the book of Mr. Robert Baille, minister of Glasgow, intituled Anabaptisme and sundry materiall points concerning the covenant, infants-interest in it, and baptisme by it, baptism by an unbaptized person, dipping, erastianism and church-government, are argued, in a letter, now enlarged, sent in September 1647, to him / by John Tombes . .. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1794; ESTC R11324 36,211 48

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baptizea which word signifieth the true act of the Ministery to Di● or Do●the Body or some part of it into the water And the 〈◊〉 of Baptisme in t●e symbolicalnes of it urgeth no What resemblance of our burial or resurrection with Christ is there in sprinkling So that they loo● more at themselves then at God therein And a little before he saith To dip the infant I so ave● as thinking it exceeding material to the Ordinance and no sleigh thing Yea which both Antiquity constantly and without exception of Countreys hot or cold witnesseth unto and especially the constant word of the Holy Ghost first and last approveth as a learned Critick Causanbon in Mat. 3. hath noted P●s●at Schol. on Rom 6. 4. Diodati anno● in Rom. 6. 4. Grot. annot. in Rom. 6. 4. c. and Coloss. 2. 11 12. acknowledged by Beza annot. in Col. 2. 11. and Gal. 3. 27. Davenan in C●l 2. 12. c. by the new Annot. on Mat. 20. 22. to have been the manner in Christs time so that Keckerman syst Theolog. lib. 3. c. 8. saies Non possumus diffiteri primam institutionem baptismi immersion non ver● adspersione constitisse quod disertè patet ex cap 6. Roman ver. 3. and 4. Casaubon ●nnot ad Mat. 3. 6. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} hic enim fuit baptizandi ritu● ut in aquas immergerentur quod vel ipsa vox {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} dclarat satis quae ut non significat {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} quod est sundum petere cum sua pernicie it à profecto non est {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Differunt enim haec tri {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} unde intelligimus non esse abs re quod ●ampridem nonnulli disputacunt de toto corpore immerg●ndo in ceremonia baptismi vocem enim {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} urgebant Sed horum sententia merito est jampr●dem explosa quum non in eo posita est mysterii hujus vis et {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Tertullian who lived within lesse then a hundred years of some of the Apostles frequently calls Baptisme Dipping and saith the parties were Dip● Tincti never sprickled a●●ers c. The like phrase hath Musculus on Mat. 3. c. The Dut●l Bibles have it thus Mat. 3. 1. Johannes de Dooper John the Dip●er ghedoopt inden Jordaen ver. 6. he dipt them in Jordan Mat. 28. 19. Doopende ●nden Nam●-Dipping them in the Name So in Mar. 1. 5 9. Act. 8. 38 c. So Mr. Thomas Goodwin holds out this manner of Baptizing fully in his Treatise of Christ se●forth in his Death Burial Section 3. chap. 7. It was questioned in the third century whether the {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} or sprinkling or powring about of the element that is those who when they were sick on their beds and ready to dy were baptized were true baptism Cyprian lib. 4. Epis. ad Ma●num After it was questioned whether a threefold immersion were necessary or one would suffice 〈◊〉 s●ntent lib. 4. distinct 3. sect. 9. Aqu●n 3. part q. 66. art 8. The Jewes from whom this rite is conceived to come took the baptisme wherein the whole body was not baptized to be void Selden de jure natur gent. ●uxta dis●i● Hebr. l. 2. c. 2. The force of the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is so manifest to signifie dipping plunging drowning that Pi●●rus in his Pythia ode 2. calls Corke swimming {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} upon the face of the waters unbaptized and Plucerch a ship floting on the waters {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} unbaptized Insomuch that I marvel greatly that those who hold breaking of bread necessary if not essential to the Lords Supper having but example use of the word and allusion for it in Scripture yea that are so stiffe for a table gesture should upon such pretences as these that {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} sometimes signifies washing that our Countreys are in a cold climate or the like alter so confirmed a 〈◊〉 and determine that baptizing for the manner of doing 〈◊〉 is not only 〈◊〉 but sufficient and most expedient to be by pouring or spri●klin● on the face of the child in the Directory and that dipping of the person into the water is not necessary but baptisme is rightly administred by pouring or sprinkling water upon the person Advice 〈◊〉 confession of faith chap. 28. 〈◊〉 3. and that so small a vessel should according to their minds be set up as that the Primitiv● 〈◊〉 cannot be continued by those that would and perhaps do make conscience of it SECT. XXIII The Conclusion requiring reparation of the wrong done to me by Mr. Baillee NOw Sir I referre it to your self to judge whether any Author Papist or Protestant have in so small a compasse as one page of a leafe in 4. and some few lines in another so wronged his adversary as you have done me in so many false accusations tending to beget prejudice against my writing and hatred against my person Which I take the worse from you as being done not onely to a fellow-Christian and a fellow-Protestant but also to a fellow-Minister of the Gospel whose life and labours are not very obscure yea to a fellow-Covenanter and one with whom you ate bread at his and others invitation out of the desire I had to hold amity with you and the Churches from whence you came nor do I know that I have done or spoken any thing that might tend to the contrary since and this have you done in print whereby it 's likely to spread to many and to remaine upon record to posterity without any provocation by me and without any conference with me by word or writing which might have satisfied you though living not farre from you while you were framing your book as I conceive you could not be ignorant from sundry passages in my Apolegy The sin of false accusing is one of the sins that makes times perilous 2 Tim. 3. 3. from whence the enemy of mankind hath his name and from whence much of our disunion and misery comes I do now write this letter to you being remote from you as I did write to a neere friend before to acquaint you with these exceptions against you having an eye on the rule of Christ Mat. 18. 15. that I may shew my desires of peace and you may see trueth and confesse your wronging of me and may fully right me If this do not take I shall some other way endeavour to wash away the dirt cast in my face by you and remaine Your brother and fellow-servant in Christ Jesus JOHN TOMBES Bewdley in Worcestershire July 22. 1647. June 2. 1650. Imprimatur John Bachiler Vide Ans. of the Elders of New Ergl ro 32 que q 21. p 72 13 74. all in defe of answ. 109 〈◊〉 sit page 156. Selden l. 1. design c 8. p 18. codices prisci optim●que habent {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Allin defence of Ans. to 9 posit. p. 171. in case the fraternity without officers should cast out any yet it is not altogether the same with that which may be dispensed by the officers thereof it being no officiall act Mr. Henry Scudder