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the_o action_n of_o the_o minister_n be_v his_o wash_n of_o the_o party_n baptise_a with_o the_o element_n of_o water_n of_o wash_v there_o be_v three_o part_n the_o put_v into_o the_o water_n the_o continuance_n in_o the_o water_n and_o the_o come_n out_o of_o the_o water_n perkins_n order_n of_o the_o cause_n of_o salvation_n and_o damnation_n cap._n 33._o pag._n 74._o vol._n 1._o and_o in_o his_o comment_n on_o golat._n 3._o 27._o vol._n 2._o pag_n 257._o the_o dip_v of_o the_o body_n signify_v mortification_n or_o fellowship_n with_o christ_n in_o his_o death_n the_o stay_n under_o the_o water_n signify_v the_o burial_n of_o sin_n and_o the_o come_n out_o of_o the_o water_n the_o resurrection_n from_o sin_n to_o newness_n of_o life_n and_o upon_o matth._n 28_o 19_o here_o say_v he_o a_o question_n may_v be_v make_v whether_o wash_v the_o body_n in_o baptism_n must_v be_v by_o dip_v or_o sprinkle_v his_o answer_n be_v this_o in_o hot_a country_n and_o in_o the_o baptism_n of_o man_n of_o year_n dip_v be_v use_v and_o that_o by_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o this_o paul_n allude_v rom._n 6._o 3_o 4._o and_o dip_v do_v more_o full_o represent_v our_o spiritual_a wash_v than_o sprinkle_v ibid._n pag._n 257._o mr_n baxter_n in_o his_o paraphrase_n matth._n 3._o 5._o we_o grant_v that_o baptism_n than_o be_v by_o wash_v the_o whole_a body_n matth._n 3._o 6._o baptism_n be_v in_o john_n time_n by_o wash_v the_o whole_a body_n rom._n 6._o 4._o therefore_o in_o our_o baptism_n we_o be_v dip_v under_o the_o water_n coloss_n 2._o 12._o you_o be_v dead_a and_o bury_v with_o he_o for_o so_o your_o baptism_n signify_v in_o which_o you_o be_v put_v under_o the_o water_n
water_n matth._n 28_o 19_o onderwyst_n alle_fw-mi de_fw-fr volckeren_fw-mi deselve_fw-la dopende_v in_o den_n name_n des_fw-fr vaders_z etc._n etc._n instruct_v all_o the_o people_n dip_v the_o same_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n mark_v 1._o 9_o end_v wiert_n van_fw-mi joanne_n gedoopt_v in_o the_o jordaen_fw-la end_v terstont_n all_o be_v by_o vyt_v her_o water_n opklaem_v etc._n etc._n and_o be_v dip_v of_o john_n in_o jordan_n and_o straightway_o as_o he_o climb_v up_o out_o of_o the_o water_n etc._n etc._n act_n 8._o 36._o wat_fw-ge verhindert_fw-ge my_o gedoopt_v te_fw-mi word_n what_o hinder_v i_o to_o be_v dip_v v_o 38._o end_v hy_z doopte_a hem_n and_o he_o dip_v he_o v_o 12._o wierden_n sy_n gedoopt_v beyde_v mannen_n end_n vrouwen_n they_o be_v dip_v both_o man_n and_o woman_n rom._n 6._o 3._o oft_o en_fw-fr wetet_fw-la ghy_fw-mi niet_fw-mi that_fw-mi so_o vele_v all_o be_v wy_fw-mi in_o christum_fw-la jesum_fw-la dedoopt_v zyn_v wy_fw-mi in_o synen_n doodt_v gedoopt_v zyn_o know_v you_o not_o that_o so_o many_o of_o we_o as_o be_v dip_v into_o christ_n jesus_n we_o be_v dip_v into_o his_o death_n and_o the_o same_o in_o coll._n 2._o 12._o and_o according_a to_o what_o i_o find_v in_o all_o other_o place_n where_o this_o ordinance_n of_o baptism_n be_v mention_v dutch_a annotation_n on_o john_n 3._o 23._o and_o john_n also_o baptise_a in_o aenon_n near_o salim_n etc._n etc._n see_v there_o be_v many_o water_n there_o that_o be_v brooks_n or_o rivulet_n or_o much_o water_n because_o they_o that_o be_v baptise_a by_o john_n go_v into_o the_o water_n with_o their_o whole_a body_n see_v matth._n 3._o 16._o act_n 8._o 38._o and_o on_o rom._n 6._o 3._o we_o be_v baptise_a into_o his_o death_n the_o apostle_n seem_v here_o to_o allude_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o baptise_v much_o use_v in_o those_o warm_a eastern_a country_n where_o man_n be_v whole_o dip_v into_o the_o water_n and_o remain_v a_o little_a while_n under_o the_o water_n to_o show_v that_o this_o dip_v into_o and_o remain_v in_o the_o water_n be_v a_o representation_n of_o christ_n death_n and_o burial_n and_o the_o rise_n up_o out_o of_o the_o water_n of_o his_o resurrection_n beza_n on_o matth._n 3._o 11._o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o die_v by_o dip_v or_o wash_v and_o differ_v from_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o drown_v or_o go_v down_o to_o the_o bottom_n like_o a_o stone_n causabon_n annotation_n upon_o matth_n 3_o he_o say_v immerge_v be_v the_o proper_a rite_n in_o baptism_n which_o the_o word_n itself_o sufficient_o declare_v which_o as_o it_o signify_v not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o go_v down_o to_o the_o bottom_n without_o any_o ascend_n so_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o swim_n like_o a_o cork_n above_o the_o water_n but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o go_v down_o and_o come_v up_o again_o tilenus_n a_o learned_a protestant_a writer_n in_o his_o disputation_n page_n 886_o 889_o 890._o say_v baptism_n be_v the_o first_o sacrament_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n institute_v by_o jesus_n christ_n the_o outward_a rite_n in_o baptism_n be_v three_o fold_n first_o immersion_n into_o the_o water_n two_o abide_v under_o the_o water_n three_o a_o rise_n again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n and_o he_o there_o show_v at_o large_a what_o a_o most_o lively_a similitude_n it_o be_v of_o the_o sorrow_n of_o christ_n which_o he_o be_v plunge_v into_o under_o divine_a justice_n and_o of_o his_o burial_n and_o resurrection_n etc._n etc._n leigh_n in_o his_o critica_fw-la sacra_fw-la he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v derive_v from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tingo_fw-la to_o dip_v or_o plunge_v into_o the_o water_n and_o signify_v primary_o such_o a_o kind_n of_o wash_v as_o be_v use_v in_o buck_n where_o linen_n be_v plunge_v or_o dip_v it_o imply_v the_o wash_n of_o their_o whole_a body_n the_o native_a and_o proper_a signification_n of_o it_o be_v to_o dip_v into_o water_n or_o to_o plunge_v under_o water_n john_n 3._o 22_o 23._o matth._n 3._o 16._o act_n 8._o 38._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d dip_v into_o water_n or_o wash_v with_o water_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o his_o annotation_n on_o rome_n 6_o 4._o he_o allude_v to_o the_o manner_n in_o which_o baptism_n be_v then_o administer_v which_o be_v to_o plunge_v they_o in_o the_o water_n the_o plunge_a of_o they_o into_o water_n that_o be_v baptise_a be_v a_o sign_n of_o their_o death_n and_o burial_n with_o christ_n wollebius_n in_o his_o compendium_n etc._n etc._n speak_v of_o their_o present_a practice_n say_v the_o action_n be_v sprinkle_v of_o water_n which_o be_v usurp_v in_o the_o stead_n of_o dip_v and_o then_o add_v immersio_fw-la &_o emersio_fw-la illustre_fw-it symbolum_n fuit_fw-la sepulturae_fw-la &_o resurrectionis_fw-la christi_fw-la their_o be_v plunge_v into_o the_o water_n and_o come_v up_o again_o out_o of_o the_o water_n be_v a_o illustrious_a symbol_n of_o the_o burial_n and_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n daille_n on_o the_o father_n lib._n 2._o p._n 148._o say_v it_o be_v a_o custom_n heretofore_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n to_o plunge_v those_o they_o baptise_a over_o head_n and_o ear_n in_o the_o water_n and_o cite_v for_o his_o authority_n tertullian_n cyprian_n epiphanius_n and_o other_o and_o this_o be_v still_o say_v he_o the_o practice_n both_o of_o the_o greek_n and_o russian_n at_o this_o day_n and_o cites_n cassander_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la pag._n 193._o and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o this_o custom_n which_o be_v both_o so_o ancient_a and_o so_o universal_a be_v now_o abolish_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o this_o be_v the_o reason_n that_o the_o moscovite_n say_v that_o the_o latin_n be_v not_o right_o and_o due_o baptise_a because_o they_o do_v not_o use_v this_o ancient_a ceremony_n in_o their_o baptism_n also_o in_o that_o greek_a lexicon_n publish_v and_o recommend_v to_o all_o for_o the_o increase_n of_o knowledge_n and_o explain_v in_o english_a by_o mr._n joseph_n caryll_o mr._n george_n cockayne_n mr._n ralph_n vening_n mr._n william_n dell_n mr._n matthew_n barker_n mr._n william_n adderly_n mr._n matthew_n mead_n mr._n henry_n jessey_n they_o render_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o dip_v plunge_v or_o drown_v in_o the_o passive_a voice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v plunge_v or_o overwhelm_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o dip_v in_o as_o one_o do_v his_o finger_n in_o liquor_n from_o this_o we_o may_v allow_v that_o the_o presbyterian_a minister_n do_v baptise_v their_o finger_n when_o they_o dip_v they_o into_o the_o water_n but_o can_v be_v say_v to_o baptise_v the_o child_n because_o they_o do_v not_o dip_v they_o in_o the_o water_n but_o sprinkle_v only_o a_o little_a water_n upon_o their_o face_n mat._n 26._o 23._o john_n 13._o 26._o mark_v 14._o 20._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o plunge_v to_o overwhelm_v to_o wash_v to_o dip_v mat._n 3._o 11._o john_n 1._o 25._o chap._n 3._o 26._o john_n 4._o 1._o 1_o cor._n 1._o 17._o john_n 1._o 31._o matth._n 28._o 19_o john_n 3._o 22._o john_n 4._o 2._o chap._n 1._o 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v plunge_v to_o be_v baptise_a or_o dip_v by_o a_o metaphor_n it_o be_v take_v for_o affliction_n matth._n 20._o 22._o which_o be_v familiar_o read_v in_o scripture_n whereby_o affliction_n be_v compare_v to_o the_o gulf_n and_o whirlpool_n of_o water_n into_o which_o those_o be_v plunge_v who_o struggle_n with_o the_o misery_n and_o calamity_n of_o this_o life_n yet_o they_o be_v so_o plunge_v that_o they_o can_v lift_v up_o themselves_o again_o i_o may_v also_o add_v what_o those_o several_a great_a master_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n we_o scapula_n stephanus_n schrevelius_n and_o divers_a other_o have_v say_v concern_v the_o etymology_n thereof_o but_o the_o learned_a be_v so_o well_o acquaint_v therewith_o i_o shall_v only_o touch_v upon_o it_o they_o confirm_v what_o i_o have_v 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