Selected quad for the lemma: water_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
water_n	baptise_v	baptism_n	ghost_n	3,305	5	8.0871	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47778	A true and faithful accompt of the most material passages of a dispute betwixt some students of divinity (so called) of the University of Aberdene and the people called Quakers held in Aberdene ... before some hundreds of witnesses upon the fourteenth day of the second month called April, 1675 : there being opponents John Lesly, Alexander Shirreff, Paul Gellie and defendants upon the Quakers part Robert Barclay and George Keith ... / published for preventing misreports by Alexander Skein ... [et. al.] ; to which is added Robert Barclay's offer to the preachers of Aberdene, renewed and re inforced.	Skene, Alexander.; Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690. Theses theologicæ.	1675 (1675)	Wing L1172; ESTC R29467	32,557	98

all Nations c. Here Christ commanding them to baptize sheweth he will be with them to the end of the world therefore as long as he was to be with them that Baptism was to continue R. B. I grant the whole but the Question is if that Baptism be by Water which I deny P. G. I prove it was by water If the Apostles baptized with water then they were commanded to baptize with water but the Apostles baptized with water Therefore they were commanded to baptize with water R. B. having repeated the Argument I deny the Consequence of the first Proposition P. G. I prove it thus Either the Apostles did baptize with water by the Command of Christ Matth. 28. or they were ignorant of the meaning of that Command chuse you whether G. K. It is not a sufficient enumeration for they might have known the meaning of the Command and yet baptized with water not from that command but in condescention to the weaknesses of the Jews P. G. If they condescended to baptize with water for the weakness of the Jews though without a Command then ye ought to baptize now with water to condescend to peoples weakness now seeing ye confess that there are who are weak both among us and your selves G. K. That will not follow more than in the Case of Circumcision for the Apostle Paul did Circumcise without a Command in condescention to the Jews yet it followeth not that any now should Circumcise to condescend to the people who should require it Stud. The parity is not alike because Baptism with water was Commanded to the Apostles so not Circumcision for Iohn Baptist was sent to baptize with water R. B. Iohn Baptist was not an Apostle and so not concerned in that Commission Matth. 28. And his Baptism was to decrease that the Baptism of Christ by the Holy Ghost might encrease Al. Shir. It must be water-water-Baptism because the baptizing of the holy-Holy-Ghost is ceased now G. K. People take notice he saith the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is ceased now A. Shir. It is ceased to be given by men for do ye give the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands G. K. The Holy Ghost may be given without the laying on of hands and holy men now are Instruments in conveighing the gifts of the Holy Ghost to others R. B. Did not Paul say Rom. 1. 11. that he longed to see them to communicate some spiritual Gift And besides as to the matter of condescendence abstaining from blood and things strangled though particularly commanded by the Apostles yet is not now to be practised by any condescention as your selves confess G. K. Hear what Augustine saith in the Case of Circumcision observing of meals drinks washing sacrifices c. They are to be considered in a threefold respect viz. First as living under the Law Secondly as dead after the death of Christ Thirdly as deadly as being once buried and being once buried they are not to be again raised up out of their Grave out of Condescention to any so I say the same as of Water Baptism it being once dead and buried is not again to be raised up now after the Apostacy P. G. I prove that water-Water-Baptism was thought needful even to those that were Baptized with the Holy Ghost Can any man forbid Water c. as Paul said Acts 10. G. K. Say Peter not Paul P. G. Peter I say not Paul R. B. That proves not all that it was done by necessity but to condescend to their weakness About this time the praeses And. Th. going forth said it was now five a clock the time appointed for the continuance of the dispute and so went away nor was there any argument farther urged G. K. Praeses Al. Skeine I see there is like to be no more here but confusion seeing the other praefes is gone I shall ouly propose this just and reasonable desire to these Students that since we have given them a fair opportunity to impugn and oppose our principles they also will promise us another day to impugn and oppose theirs Stud. When we set out Theses then ye shall have one opportunity to impugn them G. K. Your Theses are set out already for your confession of Faith is your Theses which I offer to impugn Stud. Our Faith is established by the Law of God and of the Nation and therefore ought not to be called in question R. B. That it is established by the Law of God is the thing under debate and as for the Law of the Nation so is the Popish Faith in Italy and Spain and Mahometanisme in the Turks dominions will it therefore follow that Popery and Mahometanisme are not to be called in question or oppugned Stud. We will come to your meetings and debate further with you R. B. Our Meetings are not for debate but to wait upon God and Worship Him but if ye please to meet us here again to morrow we are satisfied Stud. We will not R. B. It seems ye need a longer time to prepare you for your present strength is all exhausted Stud. We will come to your Meeting and wait till it be done and then oppose you R. B. I have told you before that is not proper but on this condition I will admit it that when I see meet I may have the like opportunity to come to your meetings and when your Preachers have done that I be allowed to oppose and impugne your principles Stud. No no. The confusion and tumult encreasing thorough the removing of the Praeses A. Th. and divers of the soberest people and the Students vainly boasting of their victory laughing clamouring and making a noise and telling they would cause publish in Print their imaginary Victory occasioned such lightness and rudeness in a rabble of the grossest sort that were without the bar that laying hold on a heap of Turffs they threw many of them against us without offering the least violence to our opposers on the other side so that having beat divers with hard Turfes Peates and also with stones R. B. with divers other friends received several knocks in his head and was wounded in his hand with a stone while as the Students the Masters of Art and their Companions who had been disputing in matters of Religion instead of interposing themselves to prevent stood divers of them laughing hollowing and clamouring thereat and so the meeting broke up G. K. said to others more sober that were present these are your Church-members This true and impartial account which was offered to be read to their Praeses And. Thomson but he declined it alledging the matters treated of were so Extrinsick from his employment and these things that took up his head and he so apt to forget such things that though the matter might be true he could not attest it neither for us nor our opposers it was also read in writing to some judicious and unprejudicate persons that were present and are not of our way and