Selected quad for the lemma: water_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
water_n	apostle_n	ghost_n	holy_a	3,494	5	5.9254	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A65025	A vindication of the apostolick and primative manner of baptizing by immersion in a letter to Mr. George Keith : with remarks upon a second friendly epistle written to him / from one who stiles himself Trepidantium Malleus.	Trepidantium Malleus.	1700 (1700)	Wing V495; ESTC R22686	18,586	35

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